Rumour file : Swine flu

[LostDoggy]

Got some inside information that swine flu might hit the Western Bulldogs.

One of our players father has been tested positive for the swine flu.
(recently in the paper)

[Desipura]

which paper? Can anyone confirm the credibility of this rumour?

[bulldogtragic]

Meh.

[LostDoggy]

It's a cold. You are only in trouble if you elderly, already sick, pregnant or a baby. If you are an elite football player that is in a healthy state you will be fine.

You have the same chances of dying from Swine flu as you do the Normal flu.

There, I have had my moment.

[ledge]

Yes its a bit of a blow out the whole swine flu thing, all it is, is another strain of flu, a new strain pops up every year.
If you looked at how many people die from any other strain its probably no different.

Dont know if i agree with the elite footballer being fine though Muttley, its a known fact elite sportsman really struggle with a virus due to not having the body fat etc to fight it off, as far as dying is concerned its not a problem, but as far as being off for a game or two its quite common.

[LostDoggy]

which paper? Can anyone confirm the credibility of this rumour?

The recently in the paper is a clue to who the father was.

The credibility of the rumour is that an employee of the hospital where the father is staying at. The employees are all taking medication.

Hope that it will not effect the team, but it is only a rumour. Hope that it will not be fact.

[LostDoggy]

It's a cold. You are only in trouble if you elderly, already sick, pregnant or a baby. If you are an elite football player that is in a healthy state you will be fine.

You have the same chances of dying from Swine flu as you do the Normal flu.

There, I have had my moment.

Honestly....it's not the swine flu that kills ya. It's that combined with other ailments, old age, impaired immune etc....
My oppinion is that the swine flu is nothing more that a concerntrated (over 24hrs) normal flu. If your healthy you'll sweat it out overnight and feel reasonably poorly for a few days like any other flu.

Our boys are stong and fit....no worries ;)

[Dry Rot]

It's a cold. You are only in trouble if you elderly, already sick, pregnant or a baby. If you are an elite football player that is in a healthy state you will be fine.

You have the same chances of dying from Swine flu as you do the Normal flu.

There, I have had my moment.


Yes its a bit of a blow out the whole swine flu thing, all it is, is another strain of flu, a new strain pops up every year.
If you looked at how many people die from any other strain its probably no different.




Honestly....it's not the swine flu that kills ya. It's that combined with other ailments, old age, impaired immune etc....
My oppinion is that the swine flu is nothing more that a concerntrated (over 24hrs) normal flu. If your healthy you'll sweat it out overnight and feel reasonably poorly for a few days like any other flu.

Our boys are stong and fit....no worries ;)

Amazing ignorance in this thread, although this bloke is partly onto something




Dont know if i agree with the elite footballer being fine though Muttley, its a known fact elite sportsman really struggle with a virus due to not having the body fat etc to fight it off, as far as dying is concerned its not a problem, but as far as being off for a game or two its quite common.

Recommend that that you Google what the differences are between swine and seasonal flu.

For starters, swine flu has a far greater reach into and affect on the lungs, which I'd guess may not be useful to a footy player.

[Scorlibo]

I had swine flu, killer headache for 48 hours but then it was like a normal cold, much nicer than the flu actually.

[The Adelaide Connection]

One of the big differences is how contagious it is, especially in kids. Spreads like wildfire.

[Dry Rot]

One of the big differences is how contagious it is, especially in kids. Spreads like wildfire.

Correct, and it is affecting much younger groups than seasonal flu.

[Scraggers]

Appearantly the best way to get rid of the swine flu is to place the patient in a smokehouse for three days ... after that they will be 'cured' :D

[G-Mo77]

Appearantly the best way to get rid of the swine flu is to place the patient in a smokehouse for three days ... after that they will be 'cured' :D

:D

You got a laugh out of me. :)

[Topdog]

The recently in the paper is a clue to who the father was.

The credibility of the rumour is that an employee of the hospital where the father is staying at. The employees are all taking medication.

Hope that it will not effect the team, but it is only a rumour. Hope that it will not be fact.

So it's Gilbees father? I didn't think we were doing medication for swine flu anymore as we had moved to the 'protect' phase. Honestly don't think this would last more than 30 minutes without the media hearing about it so I don't believe it but thanks for passing on.

Hope your info is wrong too.

[LostDoggy]

Pardon my "ignorance".... Think I'll just leave it at that!! :mad:

[Twodogs]

Pardon my "ignorance".... Think I'll just leave it at that!! :mad:



DR's been convinced for ages that we are all going to die from swine flu. He goes a bit Chicken Little on us from time to time.:D

[Topdog]

DR's been convinced for ages that we are all going to die from swine flu. He goes a bit Chicken Little on us from time to time.:D

Well it goes hand in hand with his 'too many people on Earth' theory - which I agree with.

[Twodogs]

Well it goes hand in hand with his 'too many people on Earth' theory - which I agree with.


I've got a fairly extensive list of who can leave first...

[Dry Rot]

DR's been convinced for ages that we are all going to die from swine flu. He goes a bit Chicken Little on us from time to time.:D

Looks like you need to do a little Google work too. :)

[LostDoggy]

DR's been convinced for ages that we are all going to die from swine flu. He goes a bit Chicken Little on us from time to time.:D

mmmm - LOL :D Thought that might have been the case ;) I'm a little tired of the panic about it that's all!! [insert an emoticon wearing a mask here]

Such hysteria and it never happened, as usual......funny how that always seems to happen

[Dry Rot]

mmmm - LOL :D Thought that might have been the case ;) I'm a little tired of the panic about it that's all!! [insert an emoticon wearing a mask here]

Such hysteria and it never happened, as usual......funny how that always seems to happen

Since you don't seem to have got the hang of a Google search, I'll help you out. Here's some stuff to help:


New flu resembles feared 1918 virus, study finds
13 Jul 2009 14:28:11 GMT

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor
WASHINGTON, July 13 (Reuters) - The new H1N1 influenza virus bears a disturbing resemblance to the virus strain that caused the 1918 flu pandemic, with a greater ability to infect the lungs than common seasonal flu viruses, researchers reported on Monday.

Tests in several animals confirmed other studies that have shown the new swine flu strain can spread beyond the upper respiratory tract to go deep into the lungs -- making it more likely to cause pneumonia, the international team said.

In addition, they found that people who survived the 1918 pandemic seem to have extra immune protection against the virus, again confirming the work of other researchers.....

"When we conducted the experiments in ferrets and monkeys, the seasonal virus did not replicate in the lungs," said Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin, who led the study. The H1N1 virus replicates significantly better in the lungs."

The new swine flu virus has caused the first pandemic of the 21st century, infecting more than a million people, according to estimates, and killing at least 500. The World Health Organization says it is causing mostly moderate disease but Kawaoka said that does not mean it is like seasonal flu.

"There is a misunderstanding about this virus," he said in a statement. "There is clear evidence the virus is different than seasonal influenza."

Writing in the journal Nature, Kawaoka and colleagues noted that the ability to infect the lungs is a characteristic of other pandemic viruses, especially the 1918 virus, which is estimated to have killed between 40 million and 100 million people...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13166187.htm


...Most of those now becoming infected are young and healthy, prompting doctors to blame a condition called cytokine storm, where a vigorous immune system can overreact to certain pathogens, racing so many antibodies to the infection site that they collect in a cytokine storm.

When that storm occurs in the lungs, it can block airways and prevent oxygen getting into the blood supply....

http://www.theage.com.au/national/swine-flu-invades-maternity-wards-20090715-dlhp.html


..."This is not an ordinary winter. Swine flu is hitting young, otherwise healthy people … they start with a sore throat, develop shortness of breath and within 12 to 24 hours have rapidly developed respiratory failure and are being ventilated."

Dr Herkes said extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, was considered a last-resort treatment, but staff were "throwing everything" at the patients because they were young and relatively healthy.

Patients in respiratory distress are given anticoagulants by machine, and their blood is drained through tubing in their femoral or jugular veins. It is oxygenated outside the body, allowing the lungs to recover....

http://www.smh.com.au/national/swine-flu-warning-as-deaths-increase-20090713-diti.html


...Health officials said that they were aware of fears that a Tamiflu-resistant strain of the virus was already spreading silently in the United States, but that they had not seen evidence that it was a threat.

The worry stems from a single case found in a teenage girl who flew to Hong Kong from San Francisco on June 12. According to Hong Kong media reports, she was found to have a fever during a routine airport screening and was hospitalized as a precaution and tested.

The girl was never dangerously ill, was not treated with Tamiflu and recovered. But the sequence of her virus, released last week by the authorities in Hong Kong showed that it had a mutation, known as H274Y on the neuraminidase gene, making it resistant to Tamiflu, a neuraminidase inhibitor.

The fact that the girl had a resistant strain without being treated suggests that she caught an already resistant virus from someone else, presumably in Northern California, said Henry L. Niman, who runs a Web site tracking flu mutations....

Hope that helps for a start.

[LostDoggy]

Since you don't seem to have got the hang of a Google search, I'll help you out. Here's some stuff to help:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13166187.htm



http://www.theage.com.au/national/swine-flu-invades-maternity-wards-20090715-dlhp.html



http://www.smh.com.au/national/swine-flu-warning-as-deaths-increase-20090713-diti.html



Hope that helps for a start.

Well....what can I say - got much time on your hands?? Cause you just wasted how ever long it took you to find all that! Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not interested in any of that. I know what I need to know and you don't have anything extra to tell me!!
And as for trying to tell me I don't know how to google.....how many web site do you own? I own 4, so please don't tell me I don't know how to use the internet - it's what I do!! so now you're just being insulting. :mad:

[LostDoggy]

Since you don't seem to have got the hang of a Google search, I'll help you out. Here's some stuff to help:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13166187.htm



http://www.theage.com.au/national/swine-flu-invades-maternity-wards-20090715-dlhp.html



http://www.smh.com.au/national/swine-flu-warning-as-deaths-increase-20090713-diti.html



Hope that helps for a start.

Well....what can I say - got much time on your hands?? Cause you just wasted how ever long it took you to find all that! Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not interested in any of that. I know what I need to know and you don't have anything extra to tell me!!
And as for trying to tell me I don't know how to google.....how many web site do you own? I own 4, so please don't try to tell me I don't know how to use the internet - it's what I do!! so now you're just being insulting. :mad: Get over yourself and let others have an opinion that doesn't have to match with you thinking. It won't kill you you know!

[Bulldog4life]

Well....what can I say - got much time on your hands?? Cause you just wasted how ever long it took you to find all that! Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not interested in any of that. I know what I need to know and you don't have anything extra to tell me!!
And as for trying to tell me I don't know how to google.....how many web site do you own? I own 4, so please don't try to tell me I don't know how to use the internet - it's what I do!! so now you're just being insulting. :mad: Get over yourself and let others have an opinion that doesn't have to match with you thinking. It won't kill you you know!

Actually I appreciate all the info you supplied DR. I have a very good friend who was very sick with swine flu and according to his specialist swine flu is far worse than the common flu strains that we get.

We all know that everyone doesn't die from swine flu but it can and is very dangerous in certain situations. That is fact not an opinion.

[LostDoggy]

Actually I appreciate all the info you supplied DR. I have a very good friend who was very sick with swine flu and according to his specialist swine flu is far worse than the common flu strains that we get.

We all know that everyone doesn't die from swine flu but it can and is very dangerous in certain situations. That is fact not an opinion.

That's great, I'm very gald someone got something out of DR's time. But I wonder should we take as gospel everything the papers say??

Ok this is the last I'm going to enter into this - I never denied that it is a serious illness and that people are getting quite sick. I too know people who have had swine flu. Infact I wouldn't be surprised if I had a dose of it myself a month ago as I was very very sick. I just didn't panic about it, looked after MYSELF and got over it. And I have kids too, so of course I was concerned, but I have responsibilities and had to get on with things.

It wasn't the illness that I had issue with, it was DR's derogitory picking on other people's posts and calling people ignorant (it wasn't just me it was directed at, I just chose to bite!)
Perhaps he needs to choose his words a little better, coming from some one who comes across as so 'knowledgeable'.....try naive next time you want to call someone ignorant. That's just rude.
And don't tell people how to 'google', if they are usuing an online forum it's a safe bet they know how to use the internet. That's just being patronising and it's not doing anyone any favors.

[Dry Rot]

Well....what can I say - got much time on your hands?? Cause you just wasted how ever long it took you to find all that! Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not interested in any of that. I know what I need to know and you don't have anything extra to tell me!!


I have little spare time but having worked with commercial risk management people on pandemic flu I have a lot of info on hand. :)



And as for trying to tell me I don't know how to google.....how many web site do you own? I own 4, so please don't try to tell me I don't know how to use the internet - it's what I do!! so now you're just being insulting. :mad: Get over yourself and let others have an opinion that doesn't have to match with you thinking. It won't kill you you know!

Dunno what to say - a simple search would have turned up some basic info about the differences between seasonal and swine flu.

[Dry Rot]

Actually I appreciate all the info you supplied DR. I have a very good friend who was very sick with swine flu and according to his specialist swine flu is far worse than the common flu strains that we get.

We all know that everyone doesn't die from swine flu but it can and is very dangerous in certain situations. That is fact not an opinion.

Happy to help. :)

Here is good link to help treatment of your friend - while it was written for bird flu, it is very useful for any flu

http://www.birdflumanual.com/resources/Home_Influenza_Treatment/files/Good%20Home%20Treatment%20of%20Influenza%2010pt.pdf

Hope your friend gets well soon.

[Bulldog4life]

Happy to help. :)

Here is good link to help treatment of your friend - while it was written for bird flu, it is very useful for any flu

http://www.birdflumanual.com/resources/Home_Influenza_Treatment/files/Good%20Home%20Treatment%20of%20Influenza%2010pt.pdf

Hope your friend gets well soon.

Thanks DR. Thankfully he has recovered now but I'll still have a read.

[Dry Rot]

Thanks DR. Thankfully he has recovered now but I'll still have a read.

No probs - maybe others here can use it too.

[ledge]

I have little spare time but having worked with commercial risk management people on pandemic flu I have a lot of info on hand. :)



Dunno what to say - a simple search would have turned up some basic info about the differences between seasonal and swine flu.

Maybe thats what you could of said instead of calling people ignorant.