Is Skipper done?

[mighty_west]

The words from Rocket himself throughout the season, he's there as a BACKUP ruck option only, he's not a forward.

That backs up his form for Williamstown this season, has played very well at the lower level IN THE RUCK, yet hasn't fired a shot when pushed forward for Willy.

So, Hudson misses out tonight, no Skip, has he been given a fair chance? has he been given too good a chance for so long on the list?, papers stamped?

Discuss.

[Mantis]

Eade said in his pre-match interview that Everitt was kept on stand-by because both Ward & Reid were a little doubtful. Huddo was sore at the last minute so our hands were tied a little with who was available to come in.

[LostDoggy]

Skipper has been done for a while now but i was very impressed with Everitt today

[LostDoggy]

Skipper might be gone but not because Everitt rucked today. Collingwood's rucks are crap, thought might as well roll the dice.

[Topdog]

He may have said it but I don't know if I believe that is true.

[AndrewP6]

Gooooorn....

[LostDoggy]

You may as well play someone who is a utility (like everitt) rather than just a ruckman (Skip)
They'd be able to do more than just tap the ball, and kick and hope for the best

[Rocco Jones]

I think that was the final nail in the coffin.

Skipper's only value is offering an emergency ruck solution. Everitt gives us another option as a makeshift if Roughead is injured/still not ready for senior footy.

[KT31]

Going Going Gone !!

[bulldogtragic]

Thanks for 'the' memory Skip.

[LostDoggy]

I wish him well at his next club.

[Mofra]

Everitt isn't a regular back up ruckman if Minson or Hudson go down. Roughead will need another year before he can do it.

Given likely list movements, I think I'd rather Skipper as backup for one more year rather than a ~7th rounder in a semi-compromised draft with a 2% chance of making the grade, considering they'd likely be on par with a ~5th rounder in 2010 anyway.

[LostDoggy]

Thanks for 'the' memory Skip.

'The' goal v cats late 2005?

[Cyberdoggie]

Skipper is great at VFL level because he is a senior player, has been around a while and has some skill. But don't forget who he is being compared to, as the standard of rucks in VFL level aren't great.

The area he excels at is his ability to get the ball at that level, however Skipper has 3 major flaws with his game.
*Lack of height and size
*Lack of mobility/pace for his size
*Not a great contested marker

Skip is a good all rounder but to be an effective AFL player he needs 1 of the above.

A nice left foot kick isn't going to win you a spot.

Everitt showed that even though he's not really a ruckman, a rare display of pace and daring football is more important than a slow plodding ruckman who isn't particularly physical.

[bornadog]

'The' goal v cats late 2005?

Sorry to say but that was probably one of two memories (the other was in the drawn game against the Saints), has been very disappointing.

[Cyberdoggie]

Everitt isn't a regular back up ruckman if Minson or Hudson go down. Roughead will need another year before he can do it.

Given likely list movements, I think I'd rather Skipper as backup for one more year rather than a ~7th rounder in a semi-compromised draft with a 2% chance of making the grade, considering they'd likely be on par with a ~5th rounder in 2010 anyway.

What do you suggest someone like Skipper would give us compared to Roughead or perhaps Shaw?

Do you think his impact would be much different?

[bulldogtragic]

'The' goal v cats late 2005?
No, the free kick he gave away to Jeff White which cost us a finals spot.

[Sockeye Salmon]

No, the free kick he gave away to Jeff White which cost us a finals spot.

That wasn't even close to being a free kick.

[bulldogtragic]

That wasn't even close to being a free kick.
No it wasn't, but unfortunately that's my memory of him. Not his fault though...

[LostDoggy]

No, the free kick he gave away to Jeff White which cost us a finals spot.

That wasnt a free kick.... White fell over

[Mofra]

What do you suggest someone like Skipper would give us compared to Roughead or perhaps Shaw?

Do you think his impact would be much different?
The mere fact that he can stand up to the physical side of the game for a number of weeks in a row without injury in case one of Minson or Hudson is injured.

Shaw and/or Roughead will overtake him soon; I just expect that to be much closer to the end on 2010/start of 2011 than it would to the start of 2010.
Both of them have struggled with injury in 09 so to me that shows they are not quite yet physically conditioned enough to be the injury back-up as yet.

[Topdog]

The mere fact that he can stand up to the physical side of the game for a number of weeks in a row without injury in case one of Minson or Hudson is injured.

Shaw and/or Roughead will overtake him soon; I just expect that to be much closer to the end on 2010/start of 2011 than it would to the start of 2010.
Both of them have struggled with injury in 09 so to me that shows they are not quite yet physically conditioned enough to be the injury back-up as yet.

But this year has clearly shown that you don't need a specialised ruckman to perform back up duties. I'm more than happy to let Everitt be first backup with Roughead to come in and play a few games to give Everitt a rest.

Happy to let the Skipper go. I wouldnt be worried if he stays either as I'm sure he'd be able to do a good job but don't see a need for him on the list. Plus with him gone from Willi Roughead and Shaw would get more seniors time.

[bulldogsman]

The mere fact that he can stand up to the physical side of the game for a number of weeks in a row without injury in case one of Minson or Hudson is injured.

Shaw and/or Roughead will overtake him soon; I just expect that to be much closer to the end on 2010/start of 2011 than it would to the start of 2010.
Both of them have struggled with injury in 09 so to me that shows they are not quite yet physically conditioned enough to be the injury back-up as yet.

Why do you think they picked Everitt over Skipper yesterday though? The fact is he is on our list as a back up if Hudson or Minson get injured. Hudson got injured yet they picked Everitt. I would find it strange if he was still here next year.

[bulldogtragic]

Plus with him gone from Willi Roughead and Shaw would get more seniors time.


That's the key for mine. As Street was clogging the list and a spot in the Willi 1's, so is Skip. Now with some developing rucks we really need to allow them to develop. That said i still wouldn't have an issue with a recycled ruckman, but one that will be selected to play, unlike Skipper who is the reserve ruckman who doesn't get picked.

[LostDoggy]

But this year has clearly shown that you don't need a specialised ruckman to perform back up duties. I'm more than happy to let Everitt be first backup with Roughead to come in and play a few games to give Everitt a rest.

Maybe next week but not this year. Skipper is needed now if Hudson or Minson fall over as you can't play Everitt as a ruck (2nd game) against a team that will have a better rucks than Collingwood or debut Roughead in finals. Its a huge risk.

[LostDoggy]

Why do you think they picked Everitt over Skipper yesterday though? The fact is he is on our list as a back up if Hudson or Minson get injured. Hudson got injured yet they picked Everitt. I would find it strange if he was still here next year.

Cos he wasn't an emergency and collingwood's rucks are crap.

[bulldogsman]

Cos he wasn't an emergency and collingwood's rucks are crap.

They would've/should've known Hudson was sore and made Skipper emergency.

[LostDoggy]

They would've/should've known Hudson was sore and made Skipper emergency.

For about the 3rd time. Collingwood rucks are crap.

We also had Cross, Gia, Higgins all recently coming back from injury- if we could name 1 emergency for each player then we would. Given pies rucking dept isn't good, then why bother?

[Topdog]

Maybe next week but not this year. Skipper is needed now if Hudson or Minson fall over as you can't play Everitt as a ruck (2nd game) against a team that will have a better rucks than Collingwood or debut Roughead in finals. Its a huge risk.

We are talking about keeping Skipper on the list. Not sure what next week has to do with next year.

[Mofra]

But this year has clearly shown that you don't need a specialised ruckman to perform back up duties. I'm more than happy to let Everitt be first backup with Roughead to come in and play a few games to give Everitt a rest.
Everitt is similar height but lighter than Skip. I wouldn't let one good game be the basis of a list decision.



Happy to let the Skipper go. I wouldnt be worried if he stays either as I'm sure he'd be able to do a good job but don't see a need for him on the list. Plus with him gone from Willi Roughead and Shaw would get more seniors time.
Roghead & Shaw aren't conditioned enough yet, hence my desire to keep Skipper on the list for 1 more year.
Given our list management this year, I don't think we should roll the dice just to obtain pick 7 in an already compromised draft. The risk vs reward just isn't evident.

[Mofra]

Why do you think they picked Everitt over Skipper yesterday though? The fact is he is on our list as a back up if Hudson or Minson get injured. Hudson got injured yet they picked Everitt. I would find it strange if he was still here next year.
Hudson pulled out after the emergencies were named.

[mighty_west]

Hudson pulled out after the emergencies were named.


What does that for Skip then for not even getting his name on the emergencies, i would have thought his name would have at least been amongst them all season in case what happened on the weekend happened, to cover all bases!

They would have known something was up with Everitt not playing the day before for Willy.

[The Coon Dog]

What does that for Skip then for not even getting his name on the emergencies, i would have thought his name would have at least been amongst them all season in case what happened on the weekend happened, to cover all bases!

They would have known something was up with Everitt not playing the day before for Willy.

Just heard Rocket explain that on 3AW. Not sure how Crossy would pull up after training & Sam Reid was a bit sore. Felt for insurance it was better to have Everitt miss the Willy game.

[LostDoggy]

We are talking about keeping Skipper on the list. Not sure what next week has to do with next year.
Firstly you wrote not me 'But this year has clearly shown that you don't need a specialised ruckman to perform back up duties.' which I believe is totally wrong. We have just been lucky with no ruck injuries. So you were talking about this week or year.

I have no idea if Skipper will stay or not. Roughead next year ok but Shaw mighten be listed at all. I know Eade won't draft another spare ruck of similar standard to Skipper, and what will we get for nothing?

[LostDoggy]

Thanks for 'the' memory Skip.

Not counting his 5 goal game?

Skipper needs to be praised not mocked for 2009. He has kept himself in form and fit in the event of a Hudson or Minson knee injury.

[anfo27]

Does anyone think that Hudson was not injured, just rested for match up reasons?

I know alot of people don't rate Fraser but he was good against us last time and his agility showed us up.

[FrediKanoute]

I think that Huddo was rested to freshen him up. He has had a long season and with the game realy being a meaningless game from a positional perspective and the fact that the COllingwood ruck brigade is not exactly dominant then resting him, throwing more responsibility on Minno and giving Everitt a decent run are all positives.

As for Skipper, I do think he will be delisted this year. Its a shame because as others ave said he has carried himself really well this year despite not getting a senior game.

[GVGjr]

I think that Huddo was rested to freshen him up. He has had a long season and with the game realy being a meaningless game from a positional perspective and the fact that the COllingwood ruck brigade is not exactly dominant then resting him, throwing more responsibility on Minno and giving Everitt a decent run are all positives.

As for Skipper, I do think he will be delisted this year. Its a shame because as others ave said he has carried himself really well this year despite not getting a senior game.

Why freshen Hudson up but work Minson a lot harder than they otherwise would? It could have defeated the purpose.

I'll go with the late withdrawal explanation.

[LostDoggy]

I believe say Eade want to rest Hudson a while back, don't think the WCE loss help him.

[anfo27]

Why freshen Hudson up but work Minson a lot harder than they otherwise would? It could have defeated the purpose.

I'll go with the late withdrawal explanation.

You don't think they wanted to try something in case we play the pies in the finals?

After the game i wondered if we did play the pies in the finals do we play Hudson?

I know its a big call but i wouldn't, i think against the pies we need a more mobile option.

[boydogs]

You don't think they wanted to try something in case we play the pies in the finals?

After the game i wondered if we did play the pies in the finals do we play Hudson?

I know its a big call but i wouldn't, i think against the pies we need a more mobile option.

Masterstroke - one to Eade after he was outcoached in round 15

[Topdog]

Firstly you wrote not me 'But this year has clearly shown that you don't need a specialised ruckman to perform back up duties.' which I believe is totally wrong. We have just been lucky with no ruck injuries. So you were talking about this week or year.

I have no idea if Skipper will stay or not. Roughead next year ok but Shaw mighten be listed at all. I know Eade won't draft another spare ruck of similar standard to Skipper, and what will we get for nothing?

I am talking about the league in general and for all of this year. We have seen "ruckmen" Ryder, Mitch Clark, Leigh Brown and Brennan all do good enough jobs as fill ins.

Of course it would be rolling the dice a little bit but if it is to cover for 4-5 games for the year I am happy to go in with no Skipper.

[Mofra]

Of course it would be rolling the dice a little bit but if it is to cover for 4-5 games for the year I am happy to go in with no Skipper.
The problem is we can't predict injuries. 4-5 weeks we could cover with no Skipper - a season ending injury in the first half of 2010 and we'd struggle to cover it until Roughead matures.

[mighty_west]

The problem is we can't predict injuries. 4-5 weeks we could cover with no Skipper - a season ending injury in the first half of 2010 and we'd struggle to cover it until Roughead matures.

I can't see why he couldn't get serious game time next year if required [off course you have to play it smart], another full pre season, Everitt showed he can also pitch hit if required, Rough could also play up forward at times as well, you look at players like Hurley, also very under developed as far as muscle goes but has size.

[Mofra]

I can't see why he couldn't get serious game time next year if required [off course you have to play it smart], another full pre season, Everitt showed he can also pitch hit if required, Rough could also play up forward at times as well, you look at players like Hurley, also very under developed as far as muscle goes but has size.
It's not about size or muscle - Roughead and Shaw have been injured for significant portions of the season this year, which to me indicates they aren't properly conditioned to senior football yet.
The risk vs reward (7th rounder in a semi-compromised draft) just doesn;t seem appealing to me.

[LostDoggy]

Sorry to interrupt. Can't stand all the BS about Hurley. Is he the next JC? Essendon were lucky to finish 8th. 4 goals against the Hawks defence wow! Its 9 games, he has a long way to go.

[GVGjr]

Sorry to interrupt. Can't stand all the BS about Hurley. Is he the next JC? Essendon were lucky to finish 8th. 4 goals against the Hawks defence wow! Its 9 games, he has a long way to go.

I don't think anyone is disputing that he has a long way to go but if I was a Bombers supporter I'd think it was exciting to see a good sized youngster come in and play well at both ends of the ground in his first season.
It hasn't been happening around the Kennel in a while.

[LostDoggy]

I don't think anyone is disputing that he has a long way to go but if I was a Bombers supporter I'd think it was exciting to see a good sized youngster come in and play well at both ends of the ground in his first season.
It hasn't been happening around the Kennel in a while.

Who here is a bombers fan?

I glad we don't have to be like bombers fans look at 9th game players as if they were best thing since slice bread.

[GVGjr]

Who here is a bombers fan?

I glad we don't have to be like bombers fans look at 9th game players as if they were best thing since slice bread.

Isn't your point that he has a long way to go? If so it's been answered. I don't mind saying that I'd love to see Grant displaying some Hurley like form and characteristics at the moment.

[mighty_west]

It's not about size or muscle - Roughead and Shaw have been injured for significant portions of the season this year, which to me indicates they aren't properly conditioned to senior football yet.
The risk vs reward (7th rounder in a semi-compromised draft) just doesn;t seem appealing to me.

I know what you are saying, but say with Rougheads injury, being a shoulder, how would that have been caused due to lack of work or development? Had be been struck down with some kind of stress inujury due to an over workload, thats fine, but i'm not too sure he has?

I know Everitt has only pitched hitted in one game, but the way the game has been evolving, and you see with other smaller mobile ruck options from other teams, i can't see why he couldn't be given more a go if required, Shaw has been in the system a few years and another full pre season, without Skip, i don't see too many issues.

What about Mulligan, is he a ruck option for Willy?

[GVGjr]

What about Mulligan, is he a ruck option for Willy?

Very much just a back up option. His marking around the ground needs a lot of work.

[mighty_west]

Very much just a back up option. His marking around the ground needs a lot of work.

So he'll be lucky to hold his spot as a rookie?

[GVGjr]

So he'll be lucky to hold his spot as a rookie?

If we could re-rookie him I would although it would not surprise to see him upgraded.
I still think we have a strong desire to try him as a key defender more than a ruckman.

[Go_Dogs]

I don't think anyone is disputing that he has a long way to go but if I was a Bombers supporter I'd think it was exciting to see a good sized youngster come in and play well at both ends of the ground in his first season.
It hasn't been happening around the Kennel in a while.

Too right. The kid is pure class, and since his first game (when he was given the kick in duties on debut) has shown skill, hardness, and just about every attribute you could want any draftee to show. All that and he is a tall who can play at both ends!

Still a long way to go from players in that draft, but geez, he looks like he's going to be a pretty special player.

[LostDoggy]

Isn't your point that he has a long way to go? If so it's been answered. I don't mind saying that I'd love to see Grant displaying some Hurley like form and characteristics at the moment.

No my point here is why is the grass always greener on the other side?
Everyone is jerking themselves off over Hurley yet fail see that our side is a realistic chance for a flag. The Pies, Blues and Bombers pump up there players all the time, you think you can escape it on a bulldog forum. Its a thread about Skipper and rucking options yet Hurley gets a mention.

[Topdog]

No my point here is why is the grass always greener on the other side?
Everyone is jerking themselves off over Hurley yet fail see that our side is a realistic chance for a flag. The Pies, Blues and Bombers pump up there players all the time, you think you can escape it on a bulldog forum. Its a thread about Skipper and rucking options yet Hurley gets a mention.

Read the do you believe thread to see examples of us seeing we are a realistic chance.

Hurley was brought up to show that you don't necessarily need to be big muscled to be able to play. Hurley was brought up once but again your hatred for all things Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton clouds your ability to speak about anything sensibly.

[bornadog]

No my point here is why is the grass always greener on the other side?
Everyone is jerking themselves off over Hurley yet fail see that our side is a realistic chance for a flag. The Pies, Blues and Bombers pump up there players all the time, you think you can escape it on a bulldog forum. Its a thread about Skipper and rucking options yet Hurley gets a mention.

I agree with you ES............... back to Skipper - has done nothin and I am afraid its goodbye.

[mighty_west]

No my point here is why is the grass always greener on the other side?
Everyone is jerking themselves off over Hurley yet fail see that our side is a realistic chance for a flag. The Pies, Blues and Bombers pump up there players all the time, you think you can escape it on a bulldog forum. Its a thread about Skipper and rucking options yet Hurley gets a mention.

I brought up Hurleys name as an example of a player not necessarily to do with talents but holding down a key spot in a team and not really pumping him up somewhat, but as an example that Roughead could very well play a role if needed, both players lack in development, but like Hurley has showed that he has held down a key spot, i could have used any other player from any other team, Ottens at the Crows is another, i could have used either Westoff's at Port as examples.

[Mofra]

I know what you are saying, but say with Rougheads injury, being a shoulder, how would that have been caused due to lack of work or development? Had be been struck down with some kind of stress inujury due to an over workload, thats fine, but i'm not too sure he has?

I know Everitt has only pitched hitted in one game, but the way the game has been evolving, and you see with other smaller mobile ruck options from other teams, i can't see why he couldn't be given more a go if required, Shaw has been in the system a few years and another full pre season, without Skip, i don't see too many issues.

What about Mulligan, is he a ruck option for Willy?
I think it's very rare for a kid to go from playing TAC to senior football in year 1 and stay uninjured (we haven't had one ever have we?).
Year 2 can also be significantly slowed with injury - I'm struggling to think of many (if any) that managed to play the year out. SA kids are a little different as most of them play senior football prior to being drafted.

I'm not convinved that Roughead can go from an injury-interrupted season where he was fringe senior VFL to our primary AFL back-up ruckman. If he is capable that's fantastic, but I'd hate him to be breakiung down at age 28 because we threw him to the wolves Josh Fraser style early in his career.

I'm not sure which late pick player people would want that is better than the insurance Skip provides for us.

[bulldogtragic]

I think a guy like Cameron Cloke (or similar) could offer better insurance than Skipper, so i would trade a higher pick to get them and cut Skipper loose. Last week was his dream opportunity to shine, and the coaches shunned him for a fringe player who has never played ruck.

I'm not too sure what the debate is all about.

[Mofra]

I think a guy like Cameron Cloke (or similar) could offer better insurance than Skipper, so i would trade a higher pick to get them and cut Skipper loose. Last week was his dream opportunity to shine, and the coaches shunned him for a fringe player who has never played ruck.
Skipper wasn't an emergency.

I don't see the logic in trading for a depth player when we have one on the list who is a favourite for the Liston.

[G-Mo77]

Skipper wasn't an emergency.

I don't see the logic in trading for a depth player when we have one on the list who is a favourite for the Liston.

Exactly Mofra, had Skipper been named an Emergency he would have been in the side.

God, it's like a broken record in this thread about him not being picked last week.

HE WASN'T AN EMERGENCY! HE COULDN'T BE PICKED FOR ROUND 22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish people would do a little bit more research.

[Mofra]

G-Mo, you've done what I was tempted to do. Maybe we need to find a way to sticky a post?

[G-Mo77]

Wouldn't be a bad idea :D

[mighty_west]

Skipper wasn't an emergency.

I don't see the logic in trading for a depth player when we have one on the list who is a favourite for the Liston.

I think most people realise that he wasn't an emergency, more the point why he wasn't an emergency in the first place, IF Huddo was always going to be given a rest against the Pies, didn't look too good for skip, if Huddo was injured, you'd think Skip would be an emergency every week to cover all bases.

I'm not too sure being one of the better players at lower level stacks up alot imo, alot of players are very good at that level but have struggled at AFL, we have seen the likes of Birssy, Kmac was favourite for the Magarey medal 2 years ago, Paul Dooley won the liston 4 or 5 times.

Unfortunatly for Skip though, he has never shown the right intensity levels for AFL, you watch the players now in the side compared to a few years back, and that intensity right now is a stand out, and a main reason we are challenging, we have seen Everitt struggle for those same reasons, fortunatly he took one step forward last week, with Skipper, whilst he has been playing super footy in the VFL, from the games i have seen him play, he just still lacks a certain intensity in his game.

I think the point with draft picks if he was involved in some trade, thats IF another club wants to take a punt on his at all, is that it's pretty much irrelevant these days unless you're trading a quality player and recieving a first or second round pick in return imo, we have showed over the past few seasons that we can strike lower down the draft list, even rookies, and we have also bombed out with some earlier selections, then again, he MAY also be part of a trade to secure a certain players for us as a sweetner.

[bulldogtragic]

^^^

Exactly my point.

[G-Mo77]

^^^

Exactly my point.

What is :confused: :rolleyes:


I think most people realise that he wasn't an emergency, more the point why he wasn't an emergency in the first place, IF Huddo was always going to be given a rest against the Pies, didn't look too good for skip, if Huddo was injured, you'd think Skip would be an emergency every week to cover all bases.

But that is all irelevant mighty_west. Huddo was fit and cleared to play on Thursday. It was Friday when the problem showed up as it has been mentioned several times in this thread. It has also been mentioned that Ward and Reid were doubtful. Hindsight says put Skip as an emergency and I'm sure 9/10 had they have known if there was a problem with Huddo they would have.

FWIW I don't think Skip will be with us next season. He was simply kept as a backup in case one of the rucks went down, unfortunatly for him that has not happened at all.

[LostDoggy]

Read the do you believe thread to see examples of us seeing we are a realistic chance.

Hurley was brought up to show that you don't necessarily need to be big muscled to be able to play. Hurley was brought up once but again your hatred for all things Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton clouds your ability to speak about anything sensibly.

My original post to you was deleted. You can guess what I wrote and think of you. You are allowed to say crap like that above bagging me but responding to it is a no-no.

Someone please explain to me why my post was deleted (fair enough) but the idiots above wasn't?

[LostDoggy]

I think most people realise that he wasn't an emergency, more the point why he wasn't an emergency in the first place, IF Huddo was always going to be given a rest against the Pies, didn't look too good for skip, if Huddo was injured, you'd think Skip would be an emergency every week to cover all bases.


Already mentioned here about 10 times why he wasn't an emergency.

[chef]

I think a guy like Cameron Cloke (or similar) could offer better insurance than Skipper, so i would trade a higher pick to get them and cut Skipper loose. Last week was his dream opportunity to shine, and the coaches shunned him for a fringe player who has never played ruck.

I'm not too sure what the debate is all about.

I would rather keep Skipper then trade for Cloke.

[mighty_west]

Already mentioned here about 10 times why he wasn't an emergency.

You got a problem with that?

I get the feeling that this subject is going round & around in circles, whilst i might not agree with things said, i still respect peoples views, i don't expect & clearly not everyone agree's with things i have to say, my opinions, thats fine, thats the world we live in, it's what makes debates like these interesting, if we all agreed with everything, threads would be finished as quick as they started, myself & Mofra clearly don't see eye to eye with this subject, but that doesn't mean i don't think he's not one of the better posters going around, which he is.

You may think something is "crap", people might think alot of what you have to say is "crap";), and thats cool as well.

But if your going to go around sniping peoples posts [word of the week], it's a good thing IMO to come up with great opions & debate as well.


Just a thought.

[LostDoggy]

You got a problem with that?

I get the feeling that this subject is going round & around in circles,
Just now?
Yes - your question why Skipper wasn't named, its been answered already here and in other threads by myself and others.


whilst i might not agree with things said, i still respect peoples views, i don't expect & clearly not everyone agree's with things i have to say, my opinions, thats fine, thats the world we live in, it's what makes debates like these interesting, if we all agreed with everything, threads would be finished as quick as they started, myself & Mofra clearly don't see eye to eye with this subject, but that doesn't mean i don't think he's not one of the better posters going around, which he is.

Great to know and really interesting reading. If you respected the response given this thread wouldn't going around in circles


You may think something is "crap", people might think alot of what you have to say is "crap";), and thats cool as well.

That your word on this thread, mine was deleted and wasn't to you.


But if your going to go around sniping peoples posts [word of the week], it's a good thing IMO to come up with great opions & debate as well.


Ok I'll jsut follow your lead and ask the same question every post, whilst wetting myself over what we don't have.

[AndrewP6]

Somebody close this thread...please!

[Dogs 24/7]

Ok I'll jsut follow your lead and ask the same question every post, whilst wetting myself over what we don't have.

There is some great things happening at the club at the moment and some threads here are very interesting and informative reading and yet somehow Ernie has been able to drag it down again with his ongoing negativity.

[LostDoggy]

There is some great things happening at the club at the moment and some threads here are very interesting and informative reading and yet somehow Ernie has been able to drag it down again with his ongoing negativity.

Hows its being negative pointing out that the question has been answered or not talking about players form otehr clubs?

[Dogs 24/7]

Hows its being negative pointing out that the question has been answered or not talking about players form otehr clubs?

Its just your way.
A lot of people here want to talk about things in the AFL other than just the Dogs and in fact a lot of people want an AFL specific board. I contacted the mods and was informed that we will get it next year.

Do us all a favor and let it go.

[LostDoggy]

Its just your way.
A lot of people here want to talk about things in the AFL other than just the Dogs and in fact a lot of people want an AFL specific board. I contacted the mods and was informed that we will get it next year.

Do us all a favor and let it go.


Fair enough, I excused myself for interrupting with what i thought was a valid question and I recieved support for.
From there on I got bagged with personal insults, which I returned the 'complement'. Happy to let it rest if the insults are removed.

[Dogs 24/7]

Fair enough, I excused myself for interrupting with what i thought was a valid question and I recieved support for.
From there on I got bagged with personal insults, which I returned the 'complement'. Happy to let it rest if the insults are removed.

So all this is just grandstanding.

[GVGjr]

The thread is going nowhere so it can be closed