Trade Talk - Trade Week 2009

[LostDoggy]

If I was Geelong I'd offer Blake before Mumford.

[G-Mo77]

Interesting snippet from an article just posted on the HUN

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-after-luke-ball-as-collingwood-magpies-deal-hits-snag/story-e6frf9ix-1225784046468

A source close to Ball yesterday said it was "untenable" that Ball would remain under Saints coach Ross Lyon.

A deal with Collingwood hinges on a player or draft pick going to St Kilda, or a possible three-club deal involving Western Bulldog Andrejs Everitt going to St Kilda and a Magpie, possibly defender Nathan Brown, going to the Bulldogs.

I'd be very, very happy to get Nathan Brown for Everitt. Can't see it happening though.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Interesting snippet from an article just posted on the HUN

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-after-luke-ball-as-collingwood-magpies-deal-hits-snag/story-e6frf9ix-1225784046468

A source close to Ball yesterday said it was "untenable" that Ball would remain under Saints coach Ross Lyon.

A deal with Collingwood hinges on a player or draft pick going to St Kilda, or a possible three-club deal involving Western Bulldog Andrejs Everitt going to St Kilda and a Magpie, possibly defender Nathan Brown, going to the Bulldogs.

I'd be very, very happy to get Nathan Brown for Everitt. Can't see it happening though.

I would be over the moon if true. In fact, I'd do cartwheels for an entire week.

Unfortunately, I can't see it being true either. He would surely have to be one of their most important players. (No KPD's outside of Presti who will retire soon)

[Remi Moses]

Apparently Hawks have offered Campbell Brown as part of a trade for Burgoyne. Hawks supporters all over SEN threatening to cancel their memberships next year.

Clarkson yet to meet with Brown to discuss the trade though he is reportedly furious.

Some suggestion as well that he has been out of favour since his reaction in the Essendon game which is somewhat hypocritical considering Clarkson was fined as well

I guess this is why Sockeye Salmon always says trading is the work of the devil.

heard from a few people Hawthorn had a list of untouchables that Brown wasn't on. Hawthorns list manager and coach Jeff Kennett kicked up a fuss after serious backlash.:eek::eek:Yes the same president who was going to be seen and not heard:rolleyes:

[Remi Moses]

Interesting snippet from an article just posted on the HUN

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-after-luke-ball-as-collingwood-magpies-deal-hits-snag/story-e6frf9ix-1225784046468

A source close to Ball yesterday said it was "untenable" that Ball would remain under Saints coach Ross Lyon.

A deal with Collingwood hinges on a player or draft pick going to St Kilda, or a possible three-club deal involving Western Bulldog Andrejs Everitt going to St Kilda and a Magpie, possibly defender Nathan Brown, going to the Bulldogs.

I'd be very, very happy to get Nathan Brown for Everitt. Can't see it happening though.

gee I'd be delighted with that. unfortunately can't see it happen as Collingwood overrate their players,and generally seve up some spud that nobody wants

[GVGjr]

Interesting snippet from an article just posted on the HUN

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-after-luke-ball-as-collingwood-magpies-deal-hits-snag/story-e6frf9ix-1225784046468

A source close to Ball yesterday said it was "untenable" that Ball would remain under Saints coach Ross Lyon.

A deal with Collingwood hinges on a player or draft pick going to St Kilda, or a possible three-club deal involving Western Bulldog Andrejs Everitt going to St Kilda and a Magpie, possibly defender Nathan Brown, going to the Bulldogs.

I'd be very, very happy to get Nathan Brown for Everitt. Can't see it happening though.

So it's Everitt to the Saints, Ball to the Pies and Brown to us? It's strange but understandable I suppose that so many players are on the move. Whilst we keep saying that Everitt is a required player, the speculation hasn't stopped about him.

I wouldn't have thought the Pies are overly deep for good sized defenders and certainly Presti isn't getting any younger.

[Dry Rot]

I would be over the moon if true. In fact, I'd do cartwheels for an entire week.

Unfortunately, I can't see it being true either. He would surely have to be one of their most important players. (No KPD's outside of Presti who will retire soon)

Maybe Malthouse thinks he can grab a quick a flag (like Voss appears to be)?

If so, then the short term equation/question for MM is whether Pies + Ball - Brown > Pies + Brown (and no Ball)?

You'd think Saints and us would jump at that trade.

If this came off, we'd be a team of giants. :D

[GVGjr]

Maybe Malthouse thinks he can grab a quick a flag (like Voss appears to be)?

If so, then the short term equation/question for MM is whether Pies + Ball - Brown > Pies + Brown (and no Ball)?

You'd think Saints and us would jump at that trade.

If this came off, we'd be a team of giants. :D

Are you forgetting the addition of Darren Jolly?

[Dry Rot]

Are you forgetting the addition of Darren Jolly?

No, merely looking at the two players in the trade rumour. Jolly is there on either side of my equation.

[chef]

Would everyone be happy to end up with either pick 14 or Reid/Brown for Everitt.

Edit:Pick 14 already traded to the Swans. So Brown or Reid.

[Templeton31]

Dunno about pick 14 but I'd be over the moon with Brown. Surely the Pies wouldnt do it though?

[DOG GOD]

Would be VERY happy with NBrown in the red,white and blue, but like most here, cant see the pies doing that.

[LostDoggy]

Latest is the Fev to Brisbane awaiting confirmation from Rischetelli add Bradshaw with all of Fev contract to be paid by Brisbane. Carlton have their patsy his name is Michael Voss.

[Templeton31]

Yeh I dont understand it really. I mean is Fev that much better than Bradshaw? Sure he'll be around a few years longer than Bradshaw but Bradshaw seems like an a-grade AFL citizen c.f. Fev living on the Gold Coast. And as Rocket alluded to in the Hall presser - Fev is the sort of player who its all about him in the fwd line. Not sure thats gonna help.

[The Underdog]

Latest is the Fev to Brisbane awaiting confirmation from Rischetelli add Bradshaw with all of Fev contract to be paid by Brisbane. Carlton have their patsy his name is Michael Voss.

Yeah but teams are going to have a hell of a time covering Brown and Fevola. It could backfire but it could make Brisbane a more dangerous team straight up. Those 2 could drop 150+ goals between them. I think it's a good trade for both teams if it happens(aside from the $700,000 in 2011).
I'll add that I think Fev's shit is going to get a lot less shrift with J.Brown running things.
For all of Judd setting standards at Carlton, he was a new guy and Fev was an established personality, that won't be the case in Brisbane.

[LostDoggy]

Latest is the Fev to Brisbane awaiting confirmation from Rischetelli add Bradshaw with all of Fev contract to be paid by Brisbane. Carlton have their patsy his name is Michael Voss.

I thought you said it was all a smokescreen and that Fev wasn't going anywhere????

[Sedat]

What position do we see Nathan Brown playing for us? He's not especially quick, and he doesn't win a hell of a lot of the ball. On the flipside, he is strong and can spoil quite effectively. With Lake tied up for the next 4 years, Brown might be seeing a fair bit of action at Williamstown, which would only succeed in setting back Boumann's excellent progress.

[Topdog]

Yeah but teams are going to have a hell of a time covering Brown and Fevola. It could backfire but it could make Brisbane a more dangerous team straight up. Those 2 could drop 150+ goals between them. I think it's a good trade for both teams if it happens(aside from the $700,000 in 2011).
I'll add that I think Fev's shit is going to get a lot less shrift with J.Brown running things.
For all of Judd setting standards at Carlton, he was a new guy and Fev was an established personality, that won't be the case in Brisbane.

Teams have enough problems covering Brown and Bradshaw and they did kick 150+ goals between them in 2008.

It's a pretty pointless trade for Brisbane IMO.

[LostDoggy]

We have a gaping hole at CHB, I think the aquisition of someone like Brown would be enormous for our club. Unfortunately, we simply cannot rely on Williams at the moment and it may be some time before Bouman sees the 1st's.

Whilst there is no way this deal will be entertained, giving up Everitt for Brown is a no brainer. Everitt is a soft ouside runner who will never be a contested type backmen, whereas Brown offers us the stabilty of a stronger spine and a real option against the teams who have twin towers (Bris, St Kilda, Hawthorn)

[LostDoggy]

Love this little snippet on Hawthorn from the HUN, especially the bolded bit:

HAWTHORN
Where do we start? The pariahs of trade week are still waiting on Shaun Burgoyne. Port is filthy and says it has been done over, and the Hawks fans can't believe Cam Brown was on the table. Hawks say he wasn't. Port says that's rubbish. Still, Burgoyne is favoured to end up a Hawk if they can kiss and make up.

[Desipura]

I would have thought it's hard to get a lot more though. Fev would be worth 2 first round picks and a good player most years. Whats the rumor at the moment? Bradshaw and Rischitelli? Carlton supporters won't be happy.
I would be happy if I was Carlton. Two quality players (allbeit one ageing player) with no attitude issues that we are aware of, as well as Brisbane taking over the contract. Carlton totally wipe their hands clean.

[Desipura]

If I was Geelong I'd offer Blake before Mumford.
Not even worth talking about, wont happen. Also there is no way Blake would be offered the money Mumford has been offered (900k over 3 years). A total unsubstantiated rumour!

In Ernie's mind the likelihood of Fev being traded has gone from 0%
2 days later it was 50%
what is it today Ernie?

For someone who claims to be in the know, you information is questionable.

[The Coon Dog]

I thought you said it was all a smokescreen and that Fev wasn't going anywhere????

So, Ernie was wrong, who hasn't been? I too felt that it was a bit of smoke & mirrors by Carlton to give Fev a bit of a wake up.

People for one reason or another have been critical of ES this week, not without justification, but your post was akin to a bystander watching a fight & then sticking in the boots when it was all over!

[The Coon Dog]

Love this little snippet on Hawthorn from the HUN, especially the bolded bit:

HAWTHORN
Where do we start? The pariahs of trade week are still waiting on Shaun Burgoyne. Port is filthy and says it has been done over, and the Hawks fans can't believe Cam Brown was on the table. Hawks say he wasn't. Port says that's rubbish. Still, Burgoyne is favoured to end up a Hawk if they can kiss and make up.

I too loved that bit, how true.

[Desipura]

The issue was with the comment that it was not even worth talking about. If you do not want to talk about it, then its easy, dont contribute to the thread.

[LostDoggy]

So, Ernie was wrong, who hasn't been? I too felt that it was a bit of smoke & mirrors by Carlton to give Fev a bit of a wake up.

People for one reason or another have been critical of ES this week, not without justification, but your post was akin to a bystander watching a fight & then sticking in the boots when it was all over!

I wasn't being critical, I was asking a question, that's still okay on this forum right?

I'd just like him to admit he was wrong that's all. If he was wrong about this, he could be wrong about alot of other things....

[LostDoggy]

Lets get back to talking trades.

Any further news on Everitt?

I think we are saying he is a required player to up his worth. Get a great deal and move him on.

[Jasper]

What do people think of this trade

Everitt to saints Ball to pies Ben Reid to doggies

[The Bulldogs Bite]

What do people think of this trade

Everitt to saints Ball to pies Ben Reid to doggies

I'd rather Brown, but Reid would be a very good replacement for Everitt too. Either one of those players would be pretty handy to us and would certainly be adequate for the loss of Everitt.

I really can't see it happening though. Surely Pick 30 + a Goldsack type would get Collingwood Luke Ball.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I'm a bit unsure on Brown, seems to have stagnated or gone backwards

Presumably Collingwood have decided they cant have him and Presti in the same team as they offer no drive

Jolly an incredible pickup for the pies

[Desipura]

If we get Brown from Collingwood as part of the Everitt deal, I would be one very happy man!

[Topdog]

Has Jolly actually been confirmed anywhere. NO sign of it on the "confirmed deals" lists on the Age or the HUN.


Lets get back to talking trades.


Fantastic idea!

[The Coon Dog]

I wasn't being critical, I was asking a question, that's still okay on this forum right?

I'd just like him to admit he was wrong that's all. If he was wrong about this, he could be wrong about alot of other things....

So could we all Dexter, worry about more important issues than petty point scoring, please.

[Doc26]

Still believe the right thing is to hold onto Everitt. For sure let them come to us with an attractive offer i.e a first rounder but Not a pick 22 for us to consider. We shouldn't undersell the potential of Andrejs in the coming years. Unless a clear win for us he should be kept a Dog.

[EasternWest]

Still believe the right thing is to hold onto Everitt. For sure let them come to us with an attractive offer i.e a first rounder but Not a pick 22 for us to consider. We shouldn't undersell the potential of Andrejs in the coming years. Unless a clear win for us he should be kept a Dog.

Yup.

[Rocket Science]

Further to our reported interest in Nicoski, who although might be had fairly cheaply you'd suggest would be perennially on the bubble selection-wise a la Callan/Addison/Tiller, and would come as no great shock if he played more games for the Seagulls than the Dogs in 2010.

If we're keen to add an attacking HB flanker, why wouldn't we have a closer look at Brissy's Joel MacDonald? Has more runs on the board than Nicoski, actually knows how to defend as well as attack, is a year younger than Nicoski and generally far less flakier.

[Doc26]

Further to our reported interest in Nicoski, who although might be had fairly cheaply you'd suggest would be perennially on the bubble selection-wise a la Callan/Addison/Tiller, and would come as no great shock if he played more games for the Seagulls than the Dogs in 2010.

If we're keen to add an attacking HB flanker, why wouldn't we have a closer look at Brissy's Joel MacDonald? Has more runs on the board than Nicoski, actually knows how to defend as well as attack, is a year younger than Nicoski and generally far less flakier.

Joel had an off '09 but was impressive in '08 arguably even the equal of Drummond's effectiveness in that year although Josh had is perennial soft tissue issues in'08. Would be very surprised if Joel could be picked up as cheap as a round 4 selection.

[LostDoggy]

I thought you said it was all a smokescreen and that Fev wasn't going anywhere????

More than 50% of the football public thought the same. I said it was a better than 50% chance he would stay. Make it easier when Carlton fool Brisbane into paying his full Carlton. If Voss is that silly, he deserves Fev.

And by the way its is not a done deal just yet.

[LostDoggy]

Not interested in your rubbish desipura, take it off line if you want to continue to crap on.

[Desipura]

Not interested in your rubbish desipura, take it off line you want to continue to crap on.
You will not dictate what I do.

[EasternWest]

Soooo, anyway.

Was it just a fanciful rumour that we were looking at MacDonald from Bris or does anyone have the good oil?

[w3design]

I haven't heard anything concerning us and Joel McDonald. Our last involvements will probably involve Nicoski for picks and N.Brown from Collingwood for Skinny to the 'Aints. (Or so the rumours go... isn't that what this thread is about anyway?!)

Nathan Brown would be a goody but I'd be happy if the club put the cue back in the rack. We've had a good week.

[mighty_west]

Would everyone be happy to end up with either pick 14 or Reid/Brown for Everitt.

Edit:Pick 14 already traded to the Swans. So Brown or Reid.

IF Everitt wanted out, i'd take the Pies Nathan Brown in a flash, then Reid.

[The Coon Dog]

I'd be happy if the club put the cue back in the rack. We've had a good week.

Yup, agree, a very good week.

[EasternWest]

I haven't heard anything concerning us and Joel McDonald. Our last involvements will probably involve Nicoski for picks and N.Brown from Collingwood for Skinny to the 'Aints. (Or so the rumours go... isn't that what this thread is about anyway?!)

Nathan Brown would be a goody but I'd be happy if the club put the cue back in the rack. We've had a good week.

Thanks MM. And I agree, if we walked away now, I'd say we came out well ahead.

Yes. Yes it is.

[LostDoggy]

[QUOTE=dfa4pm;121826]Soooo, anyway.

LOL, my suggestion is to start an arguement thread :)

What to give for MacDonald though

[LostDoggy]

[QUOTE=dfa4pm;121826]Soooo, anyway.

LOL, my suggestion is to start an arguement thread :)

What to give for MacDonald though
My apologies to you and others not involved.

[EasternWest]

[QUOTE=stevw9;121832]
My apologies to you and others not involved.

Well, I can't speak for others, but I accept.

Holy crap, I just heard on SEN that Mumford has gone to Sydney for 4 years, 1.2mill. The fat boy from Bunyip makes good.

[LostDoggy]

Usually on the last day, some clubs don't even bother turning up, any indication of that happening to us or others?

[Templeton31]

[QUOTE=ErnieSigley;121833]

Well, I can't speak for others, but I accept.

Holy crap, I just heard on SEN that Mumford has gone to Sydney for 4 years, 1.2mill. The fat boy from Bunyip makes good.

yeh i think we can pencil Mumford into the "winners" list from trade week. Start of season he was a rookie from Bunyip and now he's going to be a millionaire living in Sin City. Good work big fella.

[mighty_west]

Usually on the last day, some clubs don't even bother turning up, any indication of that happening to us or others?

I heard on SEN that Paul Roos was so fed up with trade week that he flew back home after day 3, and he was the only Swannies official out there for the media to contact.

The again, i suppose, you lose your big power forward [even though he retired / quit during the season & your "should have been" AA ruckman, who would blame him.

[w3design]

And no Fevola. Poor week for the Swannies.

[Topdog]

Usually on the last day, some clubs don't even bother turning up, any indication of that happening to us or others?

I think we will be there, hopefully we dont do anything but I think we have to be there with Everitt being shopped and also with our potential steak knives part of the Hall deal to sign off on.

[LostDoggy]

I heard on SEN that Paul Roos was so fed up with trade week that he flew back home after day 3, and he was the only Swannies official out there for the media to contact.

The again, i suppose, you lose your big power forward [even though he retired / quit during the season & your "should have been" AA ruckman, who would blame him.

Swans did alright. I think Mumford and Seaby do enough to replace Jolley and they still have some ok picks.

[mighty_west]

There is hopefully one more trade we do, and that is get Wayde Skipper to a club of choice for a cheap as chips swap of late picks trade, Rocket saying [on SEN] that he will do his best, and one club has shown some interest, but like alot of those deals, probably won't go through till late on the last day of trade.

[EasternWest]

There is hopefully one more trade we do, and that is get Wayde Skipper to a club of choice for a cheap as chips swap of late picks trade, Rocket saying [on SEN] that he will do his best, and one club has shown some interest, but like alot of those deals, probably won't go through till late on the last day of trade.

I hope for Skip's sake this can happen. Didn't do a lot wrong at our club except be not quite up to it. Good luck to him.

[LostDoggy]

There is hopefully one more trade we do, and that is get Wayde Skipper to a club of choice for a cheap as chips swap of late picks trade, Rocket saying [on SEN] that he will do his best, and one club has shown some interest, but like alot of those deals, probably won't go through till late on the last day of trade.

I doubt Skipper will be traded as all clubs know he will be delisted. Well I suppose Peter Rhode is at Port so it could happen.

[mighty_west]

Swans did alright. I think Mumford and Seaby do enough to replace Jolley and they still have some ok picks.

How would you be if you were Mumford, plays most of the season for Geelong with Ottens out injured and Blake is really a spud, he finds himself on the outer come finals time and misses out on becoming a Premiership players, a few weeks later you are "reported" to be offered a Million dollar deal, not bad for a kid!

[bulldogtragic]

Loved the Geelong people calling SEN filthy he is going and Blake is staying.

[mighty_west]

I doubt Skipper will be traded as all clubs know he will be delisted. Well I suppose Peter Rhode is at Port so it could happen.

Hey, don't knock Rhoder, him coming out and saying that Hawthorn let them talk to Campbell Brown made the Hawks look very stupid yesterday, that has to be a good thing! ;)

[w3design]

There is hopefully one more trade we do, and that is get Wayde Skipper to a club of choice for a cheap as chips swap of late picks trade, Rocket saying [on SEN] that he will do his best, and one club has shown some interest, but like alot of those deals, probably won't go through till late on the last day of trade.

That would be good. Skip showed great perseverance through this year, didn't drop his head which is a great credit to him. That would be a good news story, for me anyway.

Sorry ES, I don't think either of those fellas adequately replace Hall and Jolly. There are some holes in the Swan's lineup at the moment which they've filled with chewing gum in this trade period.

[Happy Days]

I doubt Skipper will be traded as all clubs know he will be delisted. Well I suppose Peter Rhode is at Port so it could happen.

All jokes aside, if Skip does actually get dealt, then Port would probably be at the front of the que. They have stated their desire for a ruckman again and again, and even though Skip isn't the answer, he is serviceable enough considering what he'll go for. Besides, Rhode rated him enough to give him games back then, and its not like he's gotten worse.

[EasternWest]

How would you be if you were Mumford, plays most of the season for Geelong with Ottens out injured and Blake is really a spud, he finds himself on the outer come finals time and misses out on becoming a Premiership players, a few weeks later you are "reported" to be offered a Million dollar deal, not bad for a kid!

Oh yeah, I certainly didn't mean to be denigrating him. Absolute score.

[LostDoggy]

Hey, don't knock Rhoder, him coming out and saying that Hawthorn let them talk to Campbell Brown made the Hawks look very stupid yesterday, that has to be a good thing! ;)

I don't blame him for Campbell Brown, thats all the Hawks doing. The fact that no one wants to go to Port maybe part his doing.

[LostDoggy]

That would be good. Skip showed great perseverance through this year, didn't drop his head which is a great credit to him. That would be a good news story, for me anyway.

Sorry ES, I don't think either of those fellas adequately replace Hall and Jolly. There are some holes in the Swan's lineup at the moment which they've filled with chewing gum in this trade period.

Sydney were resigned to Jolley leaving, the others aren't in Jolley's quality but its probably the best they could do. Hall left them mid year, anything for him is a bonus.
Those holes were there before the trade period, they were never going to fill them all up in trades.

[Mantis]

I doubt Skipper will be traded as all clubs know he will be delisted. Well I suppose Peter Rhode is at Port so it could happen.

If it is for a swap of late picks why wouldn't an interested club do it?

It means that Skip becomes a listed player now rather than in 6 weeks time and takes out any possibility that another club may jump in (which probably isn't the case with Skip)

[w3design]

Sydney were resigned to Jolley leaving, the others aren't in Jolley's quality but its probably the best they could do. Hall left them mid year, anything for him is a bonus.
Those holes were there before the trade period, they were never going to fill them all up in trades.

No question. The Swans weren't in particularly strong positions to trade in either of those moves either with Hall having left already and Darren walking out. I see a bit of pain on the horizon for Swans supporter though with their forward line looking particularly weak. White isn't ready yet without support (and there isn't any).

[LostDoggy]

If it is for a swap of late picks why wouldn't an interested club do it?

It means that Skip becomes a listed player now rather than in 6 weeks time and takes out any possibility that another club may jump in (which probably isn't the case with Skip)

Fair enough. Just wouldn't do a pick 19 for him.

[mighty_west]

Fair enough. Just wouldn't do a pick 19 for him.

Richmond might. :D

[mighty_west]

If it is for a swap of late picks why wouldn't an interested club do it?

It means that Skip becomes a listed player now rather than in 6 weeks time and takes out any possibility that another club may jump in (which probably isn't the case with Skip)

Exactly, plus 6 weeks of getting him to the club, going away with the group, the amount of team training in that time etc etc, a swap of late picks is really a nothing trade anyway.

[bulldogtragic]

O'Keefe, Reid and Skipper.

Where and which club will they be at this time tomorrow?

[Happy Days]

O'Keefe, Reid and Skipper.

Where and which club will they be at this time tomorrow?

O'Keefe & Reid: WBFC

Skipper: GCFC - VFL Affiliate.

[bulldogtragic]

O'Keefe & Reid: WBFC

Skipper: GCFC - VFL Affiliate.
I have a sense in my waters that if GOK ain't traded, he might have a tough conversation with Eade about his future.

[Doc26]

O'Keefe, Reid and Skipper.

Where and which club will they be at this time tomorrow?


Will be very disappointed if we lose Reid.

[Templeton31]

X.Clarke to Brions. Voss definitely playing Dream Team. Still I suppose it reflects the Brions dont think there is too much in the draft. Do they still have to draft 3 players? They wont have many picks left....

[GVGjr]

So, Ernie was wrong, who hasn't been? I too felt that it was a bit of smoke & mirrors by Carlton to give Fev a bit of a wake up.

People for one reason or another have been critical of ES this week, not without justification, but your post was akin to a bystander watching a fight & then sticking in the boots when it was all over!


Agreed it was just opportunistic.
Everyone lets get the keep the thread on track.

[GVGjr]

I would be happy if I was Carlton. Two quality players (allbeit one ageing player) with no attitude issues that we are aware of, as well as Brisbane taking over the contract. Carlton totally wipe their hands clean.

There is two very passionate Carlton guys at work who are livid with the aging Bradshaw potentially being at Carlton. They believe the club has a policy that no trades will occur for anyone over the age of 25 and they would rather just get youngsters.

They suffered all day :)

[LostDoggy]

Has Bradshaw passed the medical or what? Just about every 31yo thats played AFL would have a suss back.

[LostDoggy]

If Carlton have gotten rid of a trouble maker and his hefty contract then grabbed 2 good players, one that kicks goals and can play back then Carlton have done well no matter their fans say.

[GVGjr]

Has Bradshaw passed the medical or what? Just about every 31yo thats played AFL would have a suss back.

Some Carlton supporters called in on SEN suggesting that he hadn't passed it but I think it's just wishful thinking.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

If Carlton have gotten rid of a trouble maker and his hefty contract then grabbed 2 good 2 players, one that kicks goals and can play back then Carlton have done well no matter their fans say.

Bradshaw's body is apparently close to breaking down and at 31 years of age, he's not going to be there when Carlton are a realistic chance at a flag. Fevola would have been. I'd say Bradshaw might have one year left, but players with injured bodies can decline rapidly.

Personally I think it's a horrible deal for the Blues. It's interesting how a few players are being traded below their market value. I know Fevola's case is different, but I thought they would find a better deal than this. Jolly ditto. On the flip side, McLean, Lovett & Seaby are over priced.

Funny how that works out.

[BulldogBelle]

Some Carlton supporters called in on SEN suggesting that he hadn't passed it but I think it's just wishful thinking.

Yes, I heard that on SEN also - so much speculation floating around you don't know what's going on.

[LostDoggy]

A brilliant trade by the Cheats - down they go!

[LostDoggy]

Carlton were always destined to lose in a trade for Fev. Its their own fault as they don't want him but were happy to sign a huge contract and not put many restrictions on him. They got the best they could.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

St. Kilda fans seem to think we have given them an indication that we would trade Everitt to them for Pick 16. This is providing they can trade Ball or package him for that pick.

Whilst Pick 16 is about what Everitt is worth, I don't think I would be thrilled with that. I'd only trade Everitt for a young quality player. Brown, and although not proven, Reid. A speculative late first round pick in a shallow draft for Everitt who could be anything doesn't fill me with joy.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

[The Doctor]

St. Kilda fans seem to think we have given them an indication that we would trade Everitt to them for Pick 16.

St Kilda don't have pick 16 anymore. They gave it to Essendon for Lovett.

[chef]

Burgoyne deal done.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx

[The Bulldogs Bite]

St Kilda don't have pick 16 anymore. They gave it to Essendon for Lovett.

Ah, yeah. Not sure how they/I missed that.

Perhaps he was alluding to Pick 14 (Collingwood).

[azabob]

Burgoyne deal done.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx

Four clubs? Only 3 mentioned. Not sure Mark Williams is worth pick 16?
And why is the fourth club needed?

[Raw Toast]

Ah, yeah. Not sure how they/I missed that.

Perhaps he was alluding to Pick 14 (Collingwood).

The one they've given to Sydney? :)

I suspect it's a pick under 22 (?) that the Saints think they can get for Ball and then ontrade to us for Everitt.

Like you, it's not a scenario that I'm that happy with, though if Everitt really wants out or we really don't think he'll be anything then at least we're getting something out of it (remember we got Ward for a similar pick).

[GVGjr]

Burgoyne deal done.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx

On face value they should be more than happy with that. 3 picks in the first round would be a great outcome. It says something about Fev if Burgoyne is worth two 1st rounders and he isn't.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

The one they've given to Sydney? :)

I suspect it's a pick under 22 (?) that the Saints think they can get for Ball and then ontrade to us for Everitt.

Like you, it's not a scenario that I'm that happy with, though if Everitt really wants out or we really don't think he'll be anything then at least we're getting something out of it (remember we got Ward for a similar pick).

:o

I need coffee.

[mighty_west]

Four clubs? Only 3 mentioned. Not sure Mark Williams is worth pick 16?
And why is the fourth club needed?

Richmonds Jay Schultz to Port as part of this big deal.

[GVGjr]

Richmonds Jay Schultz to Port as part of this big deal.

Wasn't that a separate deal for Mitch Farmer?

[mighty_west]

Wasn't that a separate deal for Mitch Farmer?

Not too sure, but SEN announced as it being part of that deal.

[azabob]

Richmonds Jay Schultz to Port as part of this big deal.


Wasn't that a separate deal for Mitch Farmer?

My understanding also was Schultz and Farmer as a straight swap.

If you are correct mighty west not sure how or why there was a need to involve these clubs?

[mighty_west]

My understanding also was Schultz and Farmer as a straight swap.

If you are correct mighty west not sure how or why there was a need to involve these clubs?

SEN just confirmed that the Schultz / Farmer trade is part of this big 4 way deal, will also include picks.

[azabob]

SEN just confirmed that the Schultz / Farmer trade is part of this big 4 way deal, will also include picks.

Thanks for that.

[LostDoggy]

How do Richmond become involved?

Are they getting picks from Hawthorn?

[Dancin' Douggy]

I'm stunned that Port managed to get picks 9 AND 16 for Burgoyne.

Stunned.

[LostDoggy]

TRADE NEWS: It looks like Brendan Fevola's move to Brisbane may not happen after Michael Rischitelli refused to go to Carlton
10 minutes ago from web
TRADE NEWS: Mail is the big deal between Brisbane and Carlton is about to come crashing down

From Adam White. Looking more likely that Fev will remain a Blue IMO.

[hujsh]

Adam White claims Geelong is the fourth club

[Remi Moses]

Yes Port Adelaide win with that deal. I see Jesse Smith from North wants a trade? More gossip this afternoon that we're going to get involved with The Ball trade. Personally going to be stoked after this week I don't have to hear the words ''My information is'' "My source '',''I was sitting next to a table and overheard a conversation''.

[LostDoggy]

Wasn't Smith rumored to be in Geelongs radar?

Officials were seen at Arden St, looking over x-rays.

[Remi Moses]

Just heard Nathan Thompson say the x-ray wasn't favourable. Funny though North offered him a new contract!!

[GVGjr]

Wasn't Smith rumored to be in Geelongs radar?

Officials were seen at Arden St, looking over x-rays.

SEN indicated that he might have failed the medical because of his ankle

[The Coon Dog]

SEN indicated that he might have failed the medical because of his ankle

Funny that, reminded me of the boot being on the other foot when Geelong tried to off load Steve Johnson & he failed the Collingwood medical because of his ankle, then went on to win a Norm Smith Medal.

[GVGjr]

Funny that, reminded me of the boot being on the other foot when Geelong tried to off load Steve Johnson & he failed the Collingwood medical because of his ankle, then went on to win a Norm Smith Medal.


That point wasn't lost on Thompson and Fine

[Doc26]

:o

I need coffee.

With you on that and any other sedative. edit: and to think all these years it was helping to calm my nerves during the close ones :)

Worried now that our hand may be forced to offload Dre due to salary cap constraints post the Lake deal. Ox eluded to this tonight after an apparent conversation with Rodney today.

Bring on 2.30 tomorrow.

Hopefully we still have Dre or haven't sacrified him for something outside a first round pick.

[Dogs 24/7]

I'm stunned that Port managed to get picks 9 AND 16 for Burgoyne.

Stunned.

They have traditionally screwed teams over and how they sold Burgoyne as one of the stars of the competition is impressive. I keep hearing that he doesn't like the hard tag so the Hawks will need to help him out in that area.

[AndrewP6]

With you on that and any other sedative.

Worried now that our hand may be forced to offload Dre due to salary cap constraints post the Lake deal. Ox eluded to this tonight after an apparent conversation with Rodney today.

Bring on 2.30 tomorrow.

Hopefully we still have Dre or haven't sacrified him for something outside a first round pick.

Only problem, coffee's a stimulant.. :)

[hujsh]

Quite a few teams will have pretty optimistic supporters with all the trade that have happened. Saints with Lovett, Collingwood with Jolley, Hawks with Burgoyne/Gibson, Brisbane with the 40 players they've picked up and us with Hall will probably all see out teams improving next year

[azabob]

Bit late but I thought we may have looked at Robbie Gray from Port.
Good Mark and also good once the ball hits the ground.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Bit late but I thought we may have looked at Robbie Gray from Port.
Good Mark and also good once the ball hits the ground.

4th in their B&F if I remember correctly, no way Port were going to trade him

[Rocco Jones]

Just a thought about the potential Dre deal. We have been talking about getting a pick in the 15-20 region but how would we feel about two 2nd/3rd round picks?

[bulldogtragic]

Just a thought about the potential Dre deal. We have been talking about getting a pick in the 15-20 region but how would we feel about two 2nd/3rd round picks?
No for mine.

[Rocco Jones]

No for mine.

I don't want to trade Dre either. If we trade him for salary cap reasons and keep Eagle, I may just cry.

[Doc26]

Just a thought about the potential Dre deal. We have been talking about getting a pick in the 15-20 region but how would we feel about two 2nd/3rd round picks?

On the proviso that one turned out a gun.

[bulldogtragic]

I don't want to trade Dre either. If we trade him for salary cap reasons and keep Eagle, I may just cry.
I can understand. I will have tears of joy too :)

[Doc26]

Coons as ambassador for chimichangas will free up enough salary cap room unless already used to fit Bryza.

[bulldogsman]

A bit of news about Everitt from the age not that it's a worthy source

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/pies-hopes-of-snaring-ball-fade/2009/10/08/1254701108667.html

[LostDoggy]

A bit of Everitt in the HS. Day four trading.

WESTERN BULLDOGS

No press conference at the Kennel yesterday. Andrejs Everitt keeps bouncing around in every trade, but as of last night was off the table.Their week is close to done. Skipper Brad Johnson inked a deal for 2010 yesterday.

[Go_Dogs]

Hopefully we remain quite today.

What a trade week, I have never seen anything like it! Going to be very interesting to see who the big winners are.

[chef]

Talks between St Kilda and Collingwood are also reported to have broken down, leaving former Saints captain Luke Ball – who has requested to be traded to the Pies – in limbo.

As The Age reports, Collingwood had hoped to secure pick No.25 by trading Sharrod Wellingham to North Melbourne, along with pick No.30. They then planned to pass on pick No.25 for Ball.

The Saints were then set to use that pick to secure Bulldog Andrejs Everitt, but the Dogs informed the Saints they would require a higher draft pick in exchange for the versatile Everitt, effectively halting Collingwood's deal for Ball.

The Herald Sun reports that Everitt has been taken off the trade table by the Bulldogs.

Young Magpies Nathan Brown, Brad Dick and Jarrad Blight were also considered by the Saints to be suitable swaps for Ball, according to The Age, but the Pies considered the trio off-limits

http://www.afl.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/8123/newsid/85887/default.aspx

[Doc26]

The Herald Sun reports that Everitt has been taken off the trade table by the Bulldogs.

Young Magpies Nathan Brown, Brad Dick and Jarrad Blight were also considered by the Saints to be suitable swaps for Ball, according to The Age, but the Pies considered the trio off-limits

http://www.afl.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/8123/newsid/85887/default.aspx

The news for the week just keeps getting better.

[Sedat]

Meanwhile The Australia are reporting something entirely different again in relation to Everitt:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26185114-5012432,00.html

"After showing initial interest in recruiting Andrejs Everitt after he was offered to the Blues by the Western Bulldogs, it appeared that Carlton would not be in a position to trade for him because of other priorities. But that could change today, pending what happens to Fevola and if the Blues could offer a better deal to the Dogs than St Kilda, which is also keen."

The Age has had an ordinary week speculating on trades this week so I'd be banking on the HS or The Australian being more accurate. I'd say come 2.00pm, Everitt will either be a Bulldog or we will have pick 12 (if Carlton somehow picks this up off Brisbane as part of the Fev trade) or pick 14 (if St Kilda somehow picks this up off Collingwood as part of the Ball trade) to go with our pick 15 in the ND.

[Doc26]

Meanwhile The Australia are reporting something entirely different again in relation to Everitt:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26185114-5012432,00.html

"After showing initial interest in recruiting Andrejs Everitt after he was offered to the Blues by the Western Bulldogs, it appeared that Carlton would not be in a position to trade for him because of other priorities. But that could change today, pending what happens to Fevola and if the Blues could offer a better deal to the Dogs than St Kilda, which is also keen."

The Age has had an ordinary week speculating on trades this week so I'd be banking on the HS or The Australian being more accurate. I'd say come 2.00pm, Everitt will either be a Bulldog or we will have pick 12 (if Carlton somehow picks this up off Brisbane as part of the Fev trade) or pick 14 (if St Kilda somehow picks this up off Collingwood as part of the Ball trade) to go with our pick 15 in the ND.


We're no doubt going to see some desperate trade action in the last couple of hours today and I fear Andrejs will get swept up in the Tsunami and taken from us

[LostDoggy]

Weird.

Andrejs valued at around 15, Lovett at 16, McLean at 11 (!),

but Luke Ball is valued around 30?

How is Andrejs, who hasn't really set the world on fire, valued so much higher than a former club B&F who has performed well in finals etc. and is close to the prime of his career?

[Sedat]

We're no doubt going to see some desperate trade action in the last couple of hours today and I fear Andrejs will get swept up in the Tsunami and taken from us
With multiple suitors (Carlton and St Kilda), and with Everitt being a required player and under contract, there's virtually no chance he will be traded under the odds. We're in a sound position in this instance.

[Sedat]

How is Andrejs, who hasn't really set the world on fire, valued so much higher than a former club B&F who has performed well in finals etc. and is close to the prime of his career?
The law of supply and demand often makes no sense. Probably his perceived upside being only 20yo coupled with the fact that he is of a size that would be attractive to would-be suitors.

[chef]

10:27 A three way trade involving the Bulldogs and Andrejs Everitt now appears dead, Everitt is off the table says Bulldog' nut Mark Stevens
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-week-final-day/story-e6frf9jf-1225784817131

[Ozza]

Mark Stevens is saying that Everitt is off the table, and the Dogs won't be involved today....

[chef]

WCE just traded pick 55 for Sydneys pick 118, this could be the pick we get back in the Hall deal(pick 55 that is).

[Hot_Doggies]

Fevola is officially a Lion.

http://twitter.com/whitey927

[aker39]

Fevola Deal done - Brendan Fevola and pick 27 to Brisbane. Lachie Henderson and Pick 12 to Carlton

[LostDoggy]

The Lions have just become premiership favourites IMO.

[chef]

Is Everitt for pick 12 a possibility?

[Doc26]

With multiple suitors (Carlton and St Kilda), and with Everitt being a required player and under contract, there's virtually no chance he will be traded under the odds. We're in a sound position in this instance.

I thought there were salary cap reasons forcing our hand with the Everitt trade. Is this no longer the case ?

[The Adelaide Connection]

We have apparently taken Everitt off the trade table according to the update on the AFL Live Trades chat. Good news in my opinion.

[Mantis]

The Lions have just become premiership favourites IMO.

Haha.

[Sedat]

I thought there were salary cap reasons forcing our hand with the Everitt trade. Is this no longer the case ?
We can keep him but it means one of Aker or Eagle will most likely tip over the edge.

[EasternWest]

Is Everitt for pick 12 a possibility?

Yeah that just occurred to me too. Could that be a high enough pick to convince the Dogs to "put him back on the table"? I hope not, but I guess we'll know at 2!

[Doc26]

Weird.

Andrejs valued at around 15, Lovett at 16, McLean at 11 (!),

but Luke Ball is valued around 30?

How is Andrejs, who hasn't really set the world on fire, valued so much higher than a former club B&F who has performed well in finals etc. and is close to the prime of his career?

Certainly a lot hinging on Dre's potential. He would be attractive in the versatility he could offer plus theoretically he's about ready to bloom with 3 years in the system. Don't believe that Ball offers versatility and is often caught out with his lack of leg speed. He could fill a role subject to who is around him but options are more limited than where an Everitt 'could' get to.

[Doc26]

We can keep him but it means one of Aker or Eagle will most likely tip over the edge.

Well, thanks Eagle for your wonderful service.

[aker39]

From Adam White:

Bulldogs media man arrives with a club polo in a plastic bag. Is something up with the Doggies we didn't expect?

[Doc26]

Scurilous. Just posted by Whitey927

Whitey927 TRADE WEEK: Bulldogs media man arrives with a club polo in a plastic bag. Is something up with the Doggies we didn't expect?

Kind of funny. Obviously we have no money left to fill up a brown paper bag. It's resorted to Diadora '09 polos in plastic bags.

[LostDog]

Please Please can we land Bradshaw at CHF

[aker39]

Please Please can we land Bradshaw at CHF

They wouldn't need a polo shirt for him at Etihad, he's back in Brisbane.

[Topdog]

WCE just traded pick 55 for Sydneys pick 118, this could be the pick we get back in the Hall deal(pick 55 that is).

That was instantly my thought too.


The Lions have just become premiership favourites IMO.

No where near it IMO. Might push for 4th but I doubt they make it.

[Topdog]

Already back in Brisbane aker?

[LostDog]

They wouldn't need a polo shirt for him at Etihad, he's back in Brisbane.

Bugger

I wonder whats happened to the so called Skipper trade
waiting till 13:59pm I would say

[Doc26]

Please Please can we land Bradshaw at CHF

Strangely a possibility although distant I would've thought. A 3 way deal with Bradshaw (Dogs), Everitt (Blues) and trade picks involving Fev (BNE) was being discussed pre our B&F, although I wasn't sure how solid it was at the time, had assumed the Hall deal would've killed that one off.

[LostDoggy]

emmasq (Emma Quayle) says: The doggies polo shirt has left the building

Rather cryptic....

[Topdog]

on the plane to Brisbane perhaps :)

Whitey's twitter
Staffer just walked past with two flower arrangements. Either someone's died or Carlton has decided on special gift to Lions for taking Fev

Haha love it.

[LostDog]

Strangely a possibility although distant I would've thought. A 3 way deal with Bradshaw (Dogs), Everitt (Blues) and trade picks involving Fev (BNE) was being discussed pre our B&F, although I wasn't sure how solid it was at the time, had assumed the Hall deal would've killed that one off.

Watching Bradshaw in the finals still has a couple of years left, would complete our forward line.
I would be happy if this goes through

[LostDoggy]

Rumour I have heard is that Pavlich to Carlton for Walker and their first pick.

[LostDoggy]

Haha.

Why don't you think the Lions are Premiership material?

[LostDoggy]

I wouldn't spend a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder on either of them but acknowledge that we will need someone to back-up Hudson and Minson.

Perhaps there is a rookie ruckman on another teams list that we could target. Will Sullivan from West Coast might be looking for a return home.

I thought Ayce Cordy was being groomed for that role.

[LostDog]

Underbelly 4 - Carlton 2009 Trade Week

[Sedat]

Why don't you think the Lions are Premiership material?
Their midfield is slow and shallow - that hasn't exactly been significantly improved this week.

[Doc26]

on the plane to Brisbane perhaps :).

Very funny.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Rumour I have heard is that Pavlich to Carlton for Walker and their first pick.

That would be the steal of the century. I would suggest you would have to give Freo a fair deal more for their favourite son.

[LostDoggy]

SEN just speculated that Nathan Brown is coming back to the Dogs!

[Topdog]

Rumour I have heard is that Pavlich to Carlton for Walker and their first pick.

Not a chance the Freo are that stupid.

[LostDoggy]

SEN just speculated that Nathan Brown is coming back to the Dogs!

Oh no. I don't know how I could live with that.

[LostDoggy]

Not a chance the Freo are that stupid.


Freo did get rid of Peter Bell, who then won a couple of premierships with Nth Melbourne and then Freo decided to bring him back :)

[chef]

Oh no. I don't know how I could live with that.

I think they mean the other N.Brown.

[LostDoggy]

I think they mean the other N.Brown.

That's what I thought at first, but I got my work mate to confirm the wording, and it was returning to the Bulldogs.

We'll all know in just over an hour anyway!

[The Adelaide Connection]

SEN just speculated that Nathan Brown is coming back to the Dogs!

Are they running out of ideas for stories? I am guessing now that the trades have dried up they are trying to create headlines from thin air.

Here are a few for them:
"Buckley decides to pull boots back on"
"Franklin rumoured to have asked to go to Brisbane, Roughead expected to follow"

[LostDoggy]

SEN also said the Polo was for Eade, he spilled his coffee!

[LostDoggy]

SEN also said the Polo was for Eade, he spilled his coffee!

It was for him as it also had a Gps Tracking device in it to see where he heads next! As likely as the coffee story!!

[LostDoggy]

It was for him as it also had a Gps Tracking device in it to see where he heads next! As likely as the coffee story!!

Just repeating what I'm hearing on the radio. Doesn't mean I believe what I hear.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Apparently Andy Maher is reporting Carlton's Pick 12 for Everitt & Pick 31 is on the cards.

I personally wouldn't really be a fan of it.

[LostDoggy]

Rumour I have heard is that Pavlich to Carlton for Walker and their first pick.

1000000 to 1. A Carlton supporter making them up, after they felt screwed by the Fev deal.

[aker39]

That's what I thought at first, but I got my work mate to confirm the wording, and it was returning to the Bulldogs.

We'll all know in just over an hour anyway!


You're talking about Mark Snoran here, the least knowledgable presenter on the station.

Someone sent a text in with the Nathan Brown trade to the dogs and he acted surprised saying Nathan Brown going back to the dogs.

We all know (except Doran) which N Brown the texter was referring to.

[Topdog]

Apparently Andy Maher is reporting Carlton's Pick 12 for Everitt & Pick 31 is on the cards.

I personally wouldn't really be a fan of it.

I'd be shattered. Everitt and our 4th rounder for pick 12 I could deal with.

[LostDoggy]

No way Bradshaw or the our ex Nathan Brown, what are we the old peoples home?

[aker39]

No way Bradshaw or the our ex Nathan Brown, what are we the old peoples home?

Ernie read the post, no one has mentioned N Brown other than a very dumb radio presenter who has no idea.

[LostDoggy]

Thanks for defending me aker39.

As I've been saying, I'm just relaying what I am hearing from SEN so everyone who is on here can keep up to date (or have a laugh at some of them). I am not saying that any of these are true or substanciated (spelling?).

[LostDoggy]

Ernie read the post, no one has mentioned N Brown other than a very dumb radio presenter who has no idea.
I know, why was it even written on here?

[soupman]

By the way Emma Quayle mentioned the shirt had returned.

[Topdog]

I know, why was it even written on here?

It was mentioned as a rumour and shot down fairly quickly. It was written on here because it was a rumour.

[Topdog]

# TRADE WEEK: Strong speculation Daniel Bradshaw is going to retire1 minute ago from web

Wow.

[soupman]

Wow.

And to think Brisbane almost got Fevola for him and Rischitelli.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Wow.

Seconded.

From being a strong possibility of heading to Carlton one day, to retiring the next?

[Doc26]

Fantastic - Andrejs confirmed staying a Dog. Straight out of Rocket's mouth.

[LostDoggy]

looks like the dogs are done

[LostDoggy]

Fantastic - Andrejs confirmed staying a Dog. Straight out of Rocket's mouth.

Heard that too. No more moves for the Dogs.

[LostDoggy]

Eade has left, doggies are done

[Topdog]

Fantastic - Andrejs confirmed staying a Dog. Straight out of Rocket's mouth.

Yep

# TRADE WEEK: Western Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade confirms Andrejs Everitt will remain at Whitten Oval7 minutes ago from web

from http://twitter.com/Whitey927

[Mantis]

Has there been any word on what picks we traded with Sydney with regard to the Hall deal?

[ledge]

Eade has left, doggies are done

I just read that as Eade has left the Dogs and we are done for !:D

[The Adelaide Connection]

I just read that as Eade has left the Dogs and we are done for !:D

Feels like a great week to me!

1) Sign up Lake. Check.
2) Get BBBBBBBBB. Check
3) Don't piss away all of our draft picks getting BBBBBBBBBBBBBB. Check
4) Keep Everitt. Check.

Yep, I am a happy camper.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Has there been any word on what picks we traded with Sydney with regard to the Hall deal?

Nope.

Strange. Maybe it will be a last minute thing, or perhaps we have settled for giving up a third round pick on its own.

No news yet.

[aker39]

The fat lady is singing.

It's all over

[LostDoggy]

All over, boring finish, but really happy with Doggies outcome there.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Suprised we didn't see 3-4 late trades done like we normally do.

I expected Ball, Tuck, Skipper and one or two others to be shifted.

[Sedat]

Nope.

Strange. Maybe it will be a last minute thing, or perhaps we have settled for giving up a third round pick on its own.

No news yet.
Still listed as * in the AFL tracker. Very strange indeed.

[soupman]

Nope.

Strange. Maybe it will be a last minute thing, or perhaps we have settled for giving up a third round pick on its own.

No news yet.

I reckon it will be written in the contract like so

"At the conclusion of the trade period the Bulldogs will give Sydney their 4th round pick (57) in return for Sydney's draft pick closest in value to 57, but preceding pick 57".

Basically the trade is done and the last pick is determined once every trade has finished.

[soupman]

Suprised we didn't see 3-4 late trades done like we normally do.

I expected Ball, Tuck, Skipper and one or two others to be shifted.

Forgot about Tuck. Could be along year at Coburg next year considering he is still contracted.

[Sedat]

I don't think the steak knives portion of our trade with Sydney ever eventuated. Official draft lists have us placed at pick 63. No big deal but very strange, almost as if the Dogs and Swans forgot to lodge the paperwork.

[alwaysadog]

With only four delistings and the certain elevation of Liam Picken a quiet week could have been expected, as far as the dogs were concerned, which was what unfolded.

We got the one player we wanted and in spite of rumoured interest in some of the younger brigade it appears that the interest, where it existed, was only at fire sale prices.

In all 23 players changed clubs with Brisbane being involved in 7, the Hawks in 5, Sydney in a few more and the rest the odd one or two. The week seems characterised by more hype than Paris Hilton but about the same in terms of substance.

Now leaves the club a couple of weeks to determine the future of veterans Aker and Eagle and young players like Reid and O'Keefe and get their monikers on the dotted line.

If I've done my Maths correctly someone has to go to give us 3 picks in the draft assuming that we won't risk Picken in the draft and he will make the senior list through rookie elevation. Speculation will now commence about the likely identity of the unlucky player; all the usual suspects will no doubt be canvassed.

[Sockeye Salmon]

With only four delistings and the certain elevation of Liam Picken a quiet week could have been expected, as far as the dogs were concerned, which was what unfolded.

We got the one player we wanted and in spite of rumoured interest in some of the younger brigade it appears that the interest, where it existed, was only at fire sale prices.

In all 23 players changed clubs with Brisbane being involved in 7, the Hawks in 5, Sydney in a few more and the rest the odd one or two. The week seems characterised by more hype than Paris Hilton but about the same in terms of substance.

Now leaves the club a couple of weeks to determine the future of veterans Aker and Eagle and young players like Reid and O'Keefe and get their monikers on the dotted line.

If I've done my Maths correctly someone has to go to give us 3 picks in the draft assuming that we won't risk Picken in the draft and he will make the senior list through rookie elevation. Speculation will now commence about the likely identity of the unlucky player; all the usual suspects will no doubt be canvassed.

Out

Welsh
Wight
Skipper
O'Shea
Eagleton (vets list or retire, either way he doesn't count anymore)


In

Picken
Hall


We currently have 3 picks.

I still expect O'Keefe to go and someone to be promoted (Mulligan perhaps?)

[Hotdog60]

Out

Welsh
Wight
Skipper
O'Shea
Eagleton (vets list or retire, either way he doesn't count anymore)


In

Picken
Hall


We currently have 3 picks.

I still expect O'Keefe to go and someone to be promoted (Mulligan perhaps?)

Looks about right although can you put it between O'Keefe or Lynch. If O'keefe can convince the coaches to keep him on it maybe Lynch that goes.

[LostDoggy]

It was mentioned as a rumour and shot down fairly quickly. It was written on here because it was a rumour.

There is rumours then there bull shit. That one was obviously the second.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Out

I still expect O'Keefe to go and someone to be promoted (Mulligan perhaps?)

Do you think there is any hope for O'Keefe, should he get himself super fit and preesnt in great condition?

Or do you just feel the club has decided his growing pains are not worth it?

[bulldogtragic]

I'm confused...

Did we get an upgrade from pick 63 to 55 or not???

[GVGjr]

I'm confused...

Did we get an upgrade from pick 63 to 55 or not???


No according to AFL.com.au

4 picks listed, rounds 1,2, 4 and 5. Depend if we delist some another player.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Out

Welsh
Wight
Skipper
O'Shea
Eagleton (vets list or retire, either way he doesn't count anymore)


In

Picken
Hall


We currently have 3 picks.

I still expect O'Keefe to go and someone to be promoted (Mulligan perhaps?)

IMO only one of Eagleton, O'Keefe and Lynch will be delisted. This draft isn't deep nor does Mulligan deserve to be promoted.

[Doc26]

IMO only one of Eagleton, O'Keefe and Lynch will be delisted. This draft isn't deep nor does Mulligan deserve to be promoted.

Believe you will find that Mulligan has already been offered a promotion.

[Mofra]

IMO only one of Eagleton, O'Keefe and Lynch will be delisted. This draft isn't deep nor does Mulligan deserve to be promoted.
I´d expect Eagle & Lynch to be retained; both add something to the list O´Keefe doesn´t (Eagle his leg-cannon, Lynch as a small forward).

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Believe you will find that Mulligan has already been offered a promotion.

Source?

I really don't agree with this. Mulligan has rarely even impacted a Williamstown senior game by all reports. He's spent most of his time in the seconds.

[Mantis]

I really don't agree with this. Mulligan has rarely even impacted a Williamstown senior game by all reports. He's spent most of his time in the seconds.

He has been injured for most of his time, but does have some athletic ability and raw attributes that could really develop if he can stay fit.

At worst if we keep him for only 1 year we may have some bargaining power for GC if they are interested.

[Sockeye Salmon]

IMO only one of Eagleton, O'Keefe and Lynch will be delisted. This draft isn't deep nor does Mulligan deserve to be promoted.

I only delisted one of them, O'Keefe.

Mulligan has had a lot of injury issues but I understand they think he's the one with the most upside.

[Swoop]

No according to AFL.com.au

4 picks listed, rounds 1,2, 4 and 5. Depend if we delist some another player.

With regards to the Dogs & Swans agreeing to trade picks Emma Quayle said she asked the Dogs and there was a pick there, but it was in the 80s & not worth their while in the end as they wouldn't have used it.

[Doc26]

Source?

I really don't agree with this. Mulligan has rarely even impacted a Williamstown senior game by all reports. He's spent most of his time in the seconds.

Horse's mouth.

[bulldogtragic]

Horse's mouth.
I don't think John Longmire knows what we are doing with our rookies.

[Doc26]

I don't think John Longmire knows what we are doing with our rookies.

Funny. Ok he (not John Longmire) was very close to our table at the B&F and the topic arose as it would.

[bulldogtragic]

Funny. Ok he (not John Longmire) was very close to our table at the B&F and the topic arose as it would.
Thanks Rohan.

I wonder if the club is going more on performance or 'potential'?

[LostDoggy]

Thanks Rohan.

I wonder if the club is going more on performance or 'potential'?
No.1 reason Mulligan will be listed because he is just about our 3rd ruckman.

[GVGjr]

No.1 reason Mulligan will be listed because he is just about our 3rd ruckman.

Trouble is that he was hardly used in the ruck even for the Williamstown reserves this year and couldn't even force his way into the Williamstown senior side.

[Mantis]

No.1 reason Mulligan will be listed because he is just about our 3rd ruckman.

Roughead is clearly our 3rd ruckman.

When Mulligan was on the field this year he was being groomed as a key defender.

[Big_Willba]

I only delisted one of them, O'Keefe.

Mulligan has had a lot of injury issues but I understand they think he's the one with the most upside.

Surely if there was a decision between Lynch and O'keefe, Lynch would go. form what ive seen O'keefe is clearly a better player. hasnt lynch been around for longer too?

[LostDoggy]

Surely if there was a decision between Lynch and O'keefe, Lynch would go. form what ive seen O'keefe is clearly a better player. hasnt lynch been around for longer too?

Sigh.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Surely if there was a decision between Lynch and O'keefe, Lynch would go. form what ive seen O'keefe is clearly a better player. hasnt lynch been around for longer too?

Lynch is a possibility to go, O'Keefe a certainty to go.

[hujsh]

I wish we'd rookie O'Keefe (possible as the Williamstown funded rookie) but even that seems doubtful.

[Doc26]

Surprisingly, heard on the news on the way home that the Bulldogs had apparently spoken with Max Hudghton regarding a playing role next season. No other details were mentioned other than he didn't progress with it and has subsequently taken up an assistant coaching role at the Magpies. Made me wonder just how tight our cap was for that to even be considered.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Lynch is a possibility to go, O'Keefe a certainty to go.

I'm really out of the loop here, but is O'Keefe really a bad person or something?
Is he lazy? Bad Breath? Violent? There has to be something going down here?

[bulldogtragic]

I'm really out of the loop here, but is O'Keefe really a bad person or something?
Is he lazy? Bad Breath? Violent? There has to be something going down here?
Word is the issues are his attitude, dedication and his footy skills not being good enough to AFL standard, combined, are not making the coaches believe he can make the grade. If he has finally lost the coaches beflief, as the whispers are getting louder to be, then he should be cut loose. I think the odds on this having happened or happening are immeasurably short-on.

Lynch vs. A PSD pick, will be interesting to watch. I'd prefer Lynch, but we will see.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Mulligan has had a lot of injury issues but I understand they think he's the one with the most upside.

Good athlete, big, reasonably powerfully built so as we said two years a go: its worth a punt

[Sockeye Salmon]

I'm really out of the loop here, but is O'Keefe really a bad person or something?
Is he lazy? Bad Breath? Violent? There has to be something going down here?

To the best of my knowledge he is not violent.

[soupman]

Surely if there was a decision between Lynch and O'keefe, Lynch would go. form what ive seen O'keefe is clearly a better player. hasnt lynch been around for longer too?

You can also look at it from a different point of view.

O'Keefe isn't quick or a hard trainer, meaning he doesn't have the match fitness to play a full game in the AFL and doesn't have the pace to make up for this.

There are two roles he seems suited to ability wise, which are as a half forward or as an outside midfielder, two positions we have a lot of players capable of playing. O'Keefe knows how to get the ball and generally uses it well. Both these roles require a good fitness base, and/or a good burst of speed. In our side there is one player who is similiar to O'Keefe in his ability to play these positions, that player being Giansiracusa. Giansiracusa is not quick, but he is fit, a good trainer, and clearly comitted to extracting the best out of himself.

Lynch is very quick and I am unsure of his training and fitness standard. However, with his pace and natural role as a small forward he offers something different, and clearly the coaches recognise him as being a good prospect having already given him his debut.

From the club point of view, it isn't necessarily about whop is the better player currently, but who has the potential to a) Earn a regular spot in our best 22 and b) offer something to our side above what other players on our list or available in the draft could offer.

O'Keefe offers us a slow half forward with good foot skills but a questionable attitude. He's shown a lot of ability at VFL level, but then again so did Wayde Skipper.

Lynch offers us a quick small forward who has struggled to consistently take the field in his past 2 seasons. This however is a position we need someone to step up in and Lynch could well be the player to do that. We don't need more half forwards, especially if they are slow and can't play any other position.

[bulldogtragic]

You can also look at it from a different point of view.

O'Keefe isn't quick or a hard trainer, meaning he doesn't have the match fitness to play a full game in the AFL and doesn't have the pace to make up for this.

There are two roles he seems suited to ability wise, which are as a half forward or as an outside midfielder, two positions we have a lot of players capable of playing. O'Keefe knows how to get the ball and generally uses it well. Both these roles require a good fitness base, and/or a good burst of speed. In our side there is one player who is similiar to O'Keefe in his ability to play these positions, that player being Giansiracusa. Giansiracusa is not quick, but he is fit, a good trainer, and clearly comitted to extracting the best out of himself.

Lynch is very quick and I am unsure of his training and fitness standard. However, with his pace and natural role as a small forward he offers something different, and clearly the coaches recognise him as being a good prospect having already given him his debut.

From the club point of view, it isn't necessarily about whop is the better player currently, but who has the potential to a) Earn a regular spot in our best 22 and b) offer something to our side above what other players on our list or available in the draft could offer.

O'Keefe offers us a slow half forward with good foot skills but a questionable attitude. He's shown a lot of ability at VFL level, but then again so did Wayde Skipper.

Lynch offers us a quick small forward who has struggled to consistently take the field in his past 2 seasons. This however is a position we need someone to step up in and Lynch could well be the player to do that. We don't need more half forwards, especially if they are slow and can't play any other position.
Great post. Exactly.

[EasternWest]

O'Keefe offers us a slow half forward with good foot skills but a questionable attitude. He's shown a lot of ability at VFL level, but then again so did Wayde Skipper.

You're doing the big Skip a disservice by comparing the two. By all reports Wayde was never lacking in attitude, ultimately just ability.

[LostDoggy]

You're doing the big Skip a disservice by comparing the two. By all reports Wayde was never lacking in attitude, ultimately just ability.

You would think from the commentary on this board that O'Keefe was the only young player to ever have attitude problems. From the outside looking in I see a young player who consistently is in the best players for the feeder competition and has never been tried at AFL level, yet we are keen to burn him at the stake

[bulldogtragic]

You would think from the commentary on this board that O'Keefe was the only young player to ever have attitude problems. From the outside looking in I see a young player who consistently is in the best players for the feeder competition and has never been tried at AFL level, yet we are keen to burn him at the stake
It's not just attitude, one youngster on our list comes quickly to mind for attitude problems, but he pulled his head in and now many are singing his praises. Attitude is part of it, but having the necessary skills to jump to the next level is another thing. Whilst you may say he hasn't been given an opportunity, the coaches seem very, very confident that he cannot make it. They see him every day of the week and have done for 2 years. If they say he can't make it and his attitude isn't up to scratch, than i will accept that.

[Sockeye Salmon]

What if the club was using 'attitude' as a eupharism for significant behavioural issues?

[EasternWest]

You would think from the commentary on this board that O'Keefe was the only young player to ever have attitude problems. From the outside looking in I see a young player who consistently is in the best players for the feeder competition and has never been tried at AFL level, yet we are keen to burn him at the stake

I'm certainly not saying that. I don't know enough about O'Keeffe to comment on him specifically. But if all the mail on his attitude is correct, then it's unfair to compare him with Skipper, who tried his hardest and never dropped his head.

If O'Keeffe has a bad attitude but good ability, then it behooves the club to try to help him become mature enough to make it. However, if they believe he is of the type to drop his head and not lift it again, then it's probably best to let him go and see if he can flourish elsewhere.

[EasternWest]

What if the club was using 'attitude' as a eupharism for significant behavioural issues?

They may be, but the term attitude can cover a significant spectrum of issues also. It could go from homesickness to advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage. Or so I'm told.:)

I'm happy to trust the club on this one.

[bulldogtragic]

It could go from homesickness to advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage. .

But he is a very gentle person. :)

[EasternWest]

But he is a very gentle person. :)

Thanks BT for being with me on that one ;)

[hujsh]

I'm certainly not saying that. I don't know enough about O'Keeffe to comment on him specifically. But if all the mail on his attitude is correct, then it's unfair to compare him with Skipper, who tried his hardest and never dropped his head.

They were compared in terms of potential ability to perform at AFL level not in terms of attitude.

Point being that, like Skipper, being able to perform at VFL level does not guarantee a good AFL performance from Guy.

[Big_Willba]

They were compared in terms of potential ability to perform at AFL level not in terms of attitude.

Point being that, like Skipper, being able to perform at VFL level does not guarantee a good AFL performance from Guy.

Yet how would we know, O'keefe hasnt been given the oppurtunity. Skipper has.

The word im getting is that O'keefe has been told he isnt a required player next year and has been moved on. I think this happened earlier today.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Yet how would we know, O'keefe hasnt been given the oppurtunity. Skipper has.

The word im getting is that O'keefe has been told he isnt a required player next year and has been moved on. I think this happened earlier today.

I think you will find this happened about round 18.

[bulldogtragic]

I think you will find this happened about round 18.
What???

Some people on WOOF are actually well connected and have great and relaible info. Perhaps people should listen more, and argue less :)

[alwaysadog]

What???

Some people on WOOF are actually well connected and have great and relaible info. Perhaps people should listen more, and argue less :)

They should listen, but reserve the right to argue about the decision.

[Before I Die]

If I've done my Maths correctly someone has to go to give us 3 picks in the draft assuming that we won't risk Picken in the draft and he will make the senior list through rookie elevation. Speculation will now commence about the likely identity of the unlucky player; all the usual suspects will no doubt be canvassed.

Apologies if this has already been posted, but the draft rules have been changed for this year. Clubs only have to make a minimum of 3 draft selections and one of these may be a rookie upgrade.

[bulldogtragic]

They should listen, but reserve the right to argue about the decision.
Amen to that.

[Big_Willba]

I think you will find this happened about round 18.

No it defitnaly happened yesterday.

[LostDoggy]

No it defitnaly happened yesterday.

I think you'll find that Sockeye means that it happened 'in effect' around Round 18. The papers were stamped yesterday, but the deal was done long before it became 'official', so to speak.