Our next captain?

[Scraggers]

I'm far from convinced that Cooney would be a good selection for reasons I mentioned a few times. Morris isn't in the running but should be so it comes down to Boyd. Giansiracusa could do the job well but his form and longevity in the game won't work for him.
Cross could do the job as well but would be a short term prospect.


I know we will disagree on this but I can't have Cooney as a potential captain for next season. I have just witnessed some less than impressive performances at some functions to accept that the players could take him seriously as a leader.


But they do.


When was this may I ask?

The reason for asking was that as told to me if we were to change capatins this time last year Adam would have no chance, but through the 2010 seaosn he grew into his leadership role and the players responded to him... No doubt the issues you raised are valid, but perhaps next time you see him at a club function you might see someone worthy of representing our club as team capatain, or perhaps not.


Not that I want Gia as captain, but to suggest that the Club would not appoint him because of pressure from the fans is somewhat fanciful.

I'll concede it would be easy for the club to make a popular appointment with the fans, however the fans opinion is definitely last on a very long list (if at all) of criteria.

Sorry for multi-quoting so many but I want to comment on all ...

GVGjr, I have to disagree with you.
When the Bulldogs came over to Perth this year to play the Weasels, I had the opportunity to go into the inner sanctum and watch the boys prepare for the game. I watched the main players (Johnno, Cooney, Gia, Boyd, Cross, Huddo, Hall) very intently and was surprised with what I saw ...
Johnno was around to every player assuring them of their role and building confidence in their abilities at the same time. Every other player went about their business preparing for the game ... some walked around with iPods (Gia included) most making sure they got taped / massaged / hydrated etc. except for one.

Cooney was also round to every player, chatting with them about the game, their opponent, their role and like Johnno instilling confidence ... most importantly, the players were listening and reacting positively to him. This (and the training track and team meetings) is where it matters most, so from this it is very easy to see that the players definitely see him as a leader of this club.

I am pretty confident Doggy Style that the Bulldogs will make a choice that has fans approval. This obviously wont be the only criteria, but it will be a main one. If Gia is unpopular then he is definitely out of the running.

[Big Will]

Has anyone noticed the banner on www.westernbulldogs.com.au?

Seems to suggest that Boyd is our captain....

[Murphy'sLore]

Has anyone noticed the banner on www.westernbulldogs.com.au?

Seems to suggest that Boyd is our captain....

It wouldn't be too hard to change that, though, if necessary.

[LostDoggy]

A changing of the guard is tempting after 3 prelims, going with one of the younger brigade,
as opposed to a continuation of sorts with the captain coming from the older (27 -30) more established group of leaders.

Cooney, Higgins, Ward, Griffin - Potentially very exciting , dynamic leadership group. All A graders. This would be a great core leadership group in a few years time. Just not sure they are all ready yet.

[LostDoggy]

It can't be Boydy, hell be too busy this year driving his Komatsu Bulldozer.

[bornadog]

It can't be Boydy, hell be too busy this year driving his Komatsu Bulldozer.

Well lets hope he demolishes the opposition with some great accountable football.

[Curly5]

Has anyone noticed the banner on www.westernbulldogs.com.au?

Seems to suggest that Boyd is our captain....

See my post above, no 243 :)

We could change the banner, as Murphy'sLore suggests, but the membership card????

I'm sticking to my prediction, as above. :)

[Murphy'sLore]

Pardon my ignorance, but how is it decided? Player vote, club committee, Rocket? WOOF poll?:p

[The Coon Dog]

Pardon my ignorance, but how is it decided? Player vote, club committee, Rocket? WOOF poll?:p

Rocket decided when it was between Luke Darcy & Brad Johnson, ultimately any decision would need to be endorsed by the board.

[gohardorgohome]

I've never met any current players so it is hard to tell what type of person they are. I think id prefer Boyd. He comes across as a no nonsense hard nut...

[strebla]

I am a massive fan of Cooney and I hope he gets the job if not Boyd is the man when they had the open forum last year a number of players suggested to Gia that he doesn't put his body on the line enough I would find it hard to have him asking other players to do the same thing so definately no Gia for me

[chef]

I am a massive fan of Cooney and I hope he gets the job if not Boyd is the man when they had the open forum last year a number of players suggested to Gia that he doesn't put his body on the line enough I would find it hard to have him asking other players to do the same thing so definately no Gia for me

When did this happen?

[aker39]

When did this happen?

Leading teams

[chef]

Leading teams

Thanks, did this come dribbling out of Wankermanis's mouth?.

[azabob]

Thanks, did this come dribbling out of Wankermanis's mouth?.

Either he or Johnson said it, but I'm sure it wasn't this season more 2007 or 2008.

[LostDoggy]

Either he or Johnson said it, but I'm sure it wasn't this season more 2007 or 2008.

Wasnt it on 'One Week At A Time' on ONE this year?
Gia said that it made him into a better player because they said it?

[Curly5]

Wasnt it on 'One Week At A Time' on ONE this year?
Gia said that it made him into a better player because they said it?

Yes, it was. I think he addressed the problem, although there will be those who won't agree. :rolleyes:

[azabob]

Wasnt it on 'One Week At A Time' on ONE this year?
Gia said that it made him into a better player because they said it?

Yeah it was said this year in public but I thought it was raised a few years ago.

[LostDoggy]

Yeah it was said this year in public but I thought it was raised a few years ago.

Yep Gia spoke about it this year very honestly in the wake of all the Akermanis nonsense, but i got the impression he was referring to his first experience with leading teams, which was years ago. Gia has not had a problem in this department for a long time anyway.

[chef]

Yes, it was. I think he addressed the problem, although there will be those who won't agree. :rolleyes:

Agreed.

[chef]

I am a massive fan of Cooney and I hope he gets the job if not Boyd is the man when they had the open forum last year a number of players suggested to Gia that he doesn't put his body on the line enough I would find it hard to have him asking other players to do the same thing so definately no Gia for me


Leading teams

Do you know when we implemented leading teams?

To me, Gia being able to rid this(not putting his body on the line) from his game(which he has) would make him the perfect guy to be asking players(some who might not be doing this regularly) to do the same.

To often players get tainted by something they have done as a younger player and this seems to follow them for the rest of their careers even if they don't do it anymore.

[azabob]

Do you know when we implemented leading teams?

To me, Gia being able to rid this(not putting his body on the line) from his game(which he has) would make him the perfect guy to be asking players(some who might not be doing this regularly) to do the same.

To often players get tainted by something they have done as a younger player and this seems to follow them for the rest of their careers even if they don't do it anymore.

pre season of 2008 I think.

[LostDoggy]

I Have not read every (The Majority) of posts.
In my opinion, and I have said it on many occasions.
Boyd and Crossy, I love em both, are to much in and under players to lead the team.
They create play....
How can they Direct guys as to where to be.
Gia and Higgo are waiting to get into the rooms to comb there hair, and in my opinion, have never showed the leadership when required.

Therefore.
Again I say, Robert Murhpy or Dale Morris are the only 2 candidates for the captaincy.
They Direct from outside, they create play, they are able to see what is happening up & down the field.
A true leader stands outside and directs.
Just like Johnno could even when he was on the field and needed a wheelchair

[EasternWest]

A changing of the guard is tempting after 3 prelims, going with one of the younger brigade,
as opposed to a continuation of sorts with the captain coming from the older (27 -30) more established group of leaders.

Cooney, Higgins, Ward, Griffin - Potentially very exciting , dynamic leadership group. All A graders. This would be a great core leadership group in a few years time. Just not sure they are all ready yet.

Are you using an iPhone Frank?

[LostDoggy]

Yep Gia spoke about it this year very honestly in the wake of all the Akermanis nonsense, but i got the impression he was referring to his first experience with leading teams, which was years ago. Gia has not had a problem in this department for a long time anyway.

Agree Gia has not backed out of a contest for a long time

People forget that he plays in one of the hardest position on the ground.

Boyd or Cross could not play his role but when Boyd was out Gia filled in for him with great effect.

Gia might be one of those players that grows an extra leg when he is given responsibility

[KT31]

Agree Gia has not backed out of a contest for a long time

People forget that he plays in one of the hardest position on the ground.

Boyd or Cross could not play his role but when Boyd was out Gia filled in for him with great effect.

Gia might be one of those players that grows an extra leg when he is given responsibility

If he grew an extra foot , we could play him just about anywhere.:D

Seriously, IMO he is underated and does perform excellently in his position most games.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

If he grew an extra foot , we could play him just about anywhere.:D

Seriously, IMO he is underated and does perform excellently in his position most games.

Good H&A player who does nothing in finals IMO.

[strebla]

I was not bagging Gia just putting my thought across I think he goes missing far too often FWIW I like Gia but don't believe he would make a good captain.

[Greystache]

Agree Gia has not backed out of a contest for a long time

People forget that he plays in one of the hardest position on the ground.

Boyd or Cross could not play his role but when Boyd was out Gia filled in for him with great effect.

Gia might be one of those players that grows an extra leg when he is given responsibility

He was given responsibility when it counts most, in the finals, and he was terrible.

[Mofra]

To often players get tainted by something they have done as a younger player and this seems to follow them for the rest of their careers even if they don't do it anymore.
Bingo. Eg. Bryce Gibbs is still called soft because of one contest in his debut season.

[Mofra]

I was not bagging Gia just putting my thought across I think he goes missing far too often FWIW I like Gia but don't believe he would make a good captain.
I would have Boyd & Cooney ahead of him (age aside, Huddo would be an outstanding choice too IMO) but he did kick 3 second half goals against Sydney in a close one.

[LostDoggy]

I would have Boyd & Cooney ahead of him (age aside, Huddo would be an outstanding choice too IMO) but he did kick 3 second half goals against Sydney in a close one.

As much as I dislike the thought of Gia as Captain, I would have to concede that he would be a far better choice than Cooney.

Although Cooney has a good and strong on field presence, off field, from what I have seen and he really is not leadership material, unless of course we are talking about a leader of fun and festivities.

Cooney even by his own admission does not see himself as Captain and unless you believe and want something you are rarely going to succeed at it.

This time last year I was touting Higgins although with a poor year last year through injury I am hoping for Boyd in 2011

[Mofra]

This time last year I was touting Higgins although with a poor year last year through injury I am hoping for Boyd in 2011
If Higgins' year wasn't written off with injury I wonder how much his name would come up in discussion? He was seen as possible leadership material earlier on, he just never seems to be able to put a full season together.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

I have had Higgins penciled in as our next captain but agree with what others have had to say about his season. I think at least some of it might be attributed to his body not being right but see that as another reason to avoid him as a captain choice. He needs to get his own game right first.

I know Gia is highly rated as a leader within the club. He seems seems the perfect captain off field and works hard. I spend much more time defending him than the opposite but he has a poor history of failing in big moments. I don't think it's a great example for the team and individually, I don't think it's good to put even more pressure on him.

Boyd is my pick. I am not privy to what happens inside the walls and if he isn't respect for some obviously I don't know, I am obviously OK for him not to be next. He isn't a natural in the media but we already have a few media heads, doesn't need to be the captain.

I agree that Matthew Boyd looks a standout given his determination and ball getting ability. The inconsistency of Giansircusa in particular in big games should automatically rule him out of contention. I like Lantern's reference to Callan Ward as a future leader to follow Boyd as his aggression at the ball appeals as a future leader of the club.

[chef]

I agree that Matthew Boyd looks a standout given his determination and ball getting ability. The inconsistency of Giansircusa in particular in big games should automatically rule him out of contention. I like Lantern's reference to Callan Ward as a future leader to follow Boyd as his aggression at the ball appeals as a future leader of the club.

What about how Boyds direct opponent dominates in big games?
Should that be held against him too?

[GVGjr]

What about how Boyds direct opponent dominates in big games?
Should that be held against him too?

I would have thought that if a player was breaking set rules the coach should be addressing it.

[BulldogBelle]

Which way is the wind blowing, that's where I'm going. Change of mind due to the bad press on Cooney.

Higgins.

Last year I picked Higgins for captain, but 2010 was a shocker for him with injury and loss of form. So, should that therefore rule him out. Definately not!! Well, not if he is going to come back to form.

No other player has Higgins' charisma.

1. Communicator. Just watch him at practice, he likes barking out instructions, directions and support. Talks well to the press and in forums. Does not slur speech or talk in profanities. You feel confident re him speaking on the team's behalf.
2. Exemplary character. Trustworthy to lead others, responsible. Lives his life with honestly and integrity. Reliable.
3. Enthusiastic about the team and wants to be leader. Shows passion and dedication. A source of inspiration, a motivator. Part of the team.
4. Inspirational. When he plays well he looks like Mr Smooth himself. But this has been lacking due to injury. Looks like a winner. Holds a good posture. Sets a great example.
5. Logical. Looks intelligent.
6. Confident as a person and as a leader. He is a pretty boy and he knows it. Exudes self-confidence. People are proud to be associated with him. Holds head up. Looks you in the eye.
7. Disciplined. Orderly and purposeful. Keeps temper. Has a consistent mood.
8. Committed to excellence. Don't know.
9. Tolerant of ambiguity. Don't know.
10. Focused towards team goals. Is he?
11. Direction. Does he give the team voice and direction. Strives towards excellence. Set an example. He can make changes on the field without referring to the coach.
12. Appears to be cool headed. Is able to discipline teammates when necessary.
13. Longevity and fitness. Will last out at least the season. Not prone to injury. Not too aged. Hopefully.
14. Has a stake in the outcomes.
15. Encourages Teammates. Deals out praise and encouragement when it is needed to lift the performance and morale of teammates.
16. Organises and controls teammates by giving them stirring speeches in huddles or making appropriate field changes during play.
17. Is Proactive and timely in making changes, giving encouragement or criticism and does not wait for coach to tell him when or what to say.
18. Courageous. Does not shirk the issue in play or questions from the media.

Other than Higgins, Lake is sounding better. I remember an after-match function in WA that he attended where he told some supporters off for not wearing the club colours. I thought that was quite good.

Boyd is not skilled enough for my liking, can be inspirational but does too many stuff-ups. Cross doesn't seem confident enough but can be inspirational. Gia doesn't seem inspirational and is too inconsistent.

I guess we should wait until the end of January and see which way the wind is blowing then.

[strebla]

Which way is the wind blowing, that's where I'm going. Change of mind due to the bad press on Cooney.

Higgins.

Last year I picked Higgins for captain, but 2010 was a shocker for him with injury and loss of form. So, should that therefore rule him out. Definately not!! Well, not if he is going to come back to form.

No other player has Higgins' charisma.

1. Communicator. Just watch him at practice, he likes barking out instructions, directions and support. Talks well to the press and in forums. Does not slur speech or talk in profanities. You feel confident re him speaking on the team's behalf.
2. Exemplary character. Trustworthy to lead others, responsible. Lives his life with honestly and integrity. Reliable.
3. Enthusiastic about the team and wants to be leader. Shows passion and dedication. A source of inspiration, a motivator. Part of the team.
4. Inspirational. When he plays well he looks like Mr Smooth himself. But this has been lacking due to injury. Looks like a winner. Holds a good posture. Sets a great example.
5. Logical. Looks intelligent.
6. Confident as a person and as a leader. He is a pretty boy and he knows it. Exudes self-confidence. People are proud to be associated with him. Holds head up. Looks you in the eye.
7. Disciplined. Orderly and purposeful. Keeps temper. Has a consistent mood.
8. Committed to excellence. Don't know.
9. Tolerant of ambiguity. Don't know.
10. Focused towards team goals. Is he?
11. Direction. Does he give the team voice and direction. Strives towards excellence. Set an example. He can make changes on the field without referring to the coach.
12. Appears to be cool headed. Is able to discipline teammates when necessary.
13. Longevity and fitness. Will last out at least the season. Not prone to injury. Not too aged. Hopefully.
14. Has a stake in the outcomes.
15. Encourages Teammates. Deals out praise and encouragement when it is needed to lift the performance and morale of teammates.
16. Organises and controls teammates by giving them stirring speeches in huddles or making appropriate field changes during play.
17. Is Proactive and timely in making changes, giving encouragement or criticism and does not wait for coach to tell him when or what to say.
18. Courageous. Does not shirk the issue in play or questions from the media.

Other than Higgins, Lake is sounding better. I remember an after-match function in WA that he attended where he told some supporters off for not wearing the club colours. I thought that was quite good.

Boyd is not skilled enough for my liking, can be inspirational but does too many stuff-ups. Cross doesn't seem confident enough but can be inspirational. Gia doesn't seem inspirational and is too inconsistent.

I guess we should wait until the end of January and see which way the wind is blowing then.

Great post well thought out nearly swayed me but I still think Cooney is the man as for number 8 I don't think he has a problem with commitment i think he is one of the more commited in the team after all he has gone through he still holds his head high and has a crack

[jeemak]

Good H&A player who does nothing in finals IMO.

Apart from helping pull the team together during this years final series when we were done and dusted against the Swans.

[LostDoggy]

With out Knowing them from within I don't think we have a real standout. If i had to choose i would pick Cross for a few years untill one of the younger players is ready for the job

[chef]

I would have thought that if a player was breaking set rules the coach should be addressing it.

My point was that some people will focus on a certain players short comings in term of not being right for a captain, but then suggest a different player who also has short comings in another area that they choose to ignore. None of our players are perfect in every area.

[Mantis]

Other than Higgins, Lake is sounding better. I remember an after-match function in WA that he attended where he told some supporters off for not wearing the club colours. I thought that was quite good.



Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh JC... Funny stuff.

[LostDoggy]

I agree that Matthew Boyd looks a standout given his determination and ball getting ability. The inconsistency of Giansircusa in particular in big games should automatically rule him out of contention. I like Lantern's reference to Callan Ward as a future leader to follow Boyd as his aggression at the ball appeals as a future leader of the club.

I maintain this is the key.

Boyd and/or Gia to captain with Ward as vice and take over captaincy in 2-3 years.

I can see a signature change coming on...

[Mofra]

I maintain this is the key.

Boyd and/or Gia to captain with Ward as vice and take over captaincy in 2-3 years.

I can see a signature change coming on...
With Ward's unflattering nickname around the club I dare say even being part of the leadership group next year would be a surprise.

If our next captain serves for 3-4 years there is every chance Wallis will overtake all our young kids given the glowing reports of his leadership potential - that would be a heck of a story as well, a father/son combo both having served as captain. Apart from Tim & Jobe Watson I can't think of anyone else.

[Cyberdoggie]

13. Longevity and fitness. Will last out at least the season. Not prone to injury. Not too aged. Hopefully.
18. Courageous. Does not shirk the issue in play or questions from the media.


Higgo has been injured more than he's played i think.
Let's see, there has been the broken arm incident which ruled him out for a season, the rolled ankles, the thyroid problem.
Honestly i don't think higgo has had a un-interupted pre-season and season ever.
I don't think we've seen him at his fittest or strongest either because of this.

Courageous? Nothing wrong with his media qualities but on the field he's not one to lay a tackle or throw himself into a pack in my opinion.

[Twodogs]

Wallis will overtake all our young kids given the glowing reports of his leadership potential - that would be a heck of a story as well, a father/son combo both having served as captain. Apart from Tim & Jobe Watson I can't think of anyone else.


Harvey Stevens and his dad (Arthur?) both captained Footscray.

[Mofra]

Harvey Stevens and his dad (Arthur?) both captained Footscray.
Cheers, I trust it's been quite a while between drinks for us in that regard then!

[Twodogs]

Cheers, I trust it's been quite a while between drinks for us in that regard then!


No worries. I'm positive that Harvey and his dad were the only F/S duo to have captained a VFL/AFL team up until Jobe emulated his dad.

The other potentials I can think of are Ken and Dustin Fletcher-Given that Dustin has played for 45 years, surely he has lead the team at least once?

[Greystache]

No worries. I'm positive that Harvey and his dad were the only F/S duo to have captained a VFL/AFL team up until Jobe emulated his dad.

The other potentials I can think of are Ken and Dustin Fletcher-Given that Dustin has played for 45 years, surely he has lead the team at least once?

He may have but I'd be surprised, he's Essendon's version of our own Brian Lake- absolute gun player, but shall we say, doesn't overthink the game. More a lead by example type those two.

[Maddog37]

With Ward's unflattering nickname around the club I dare say even being part of the leadership group next year would be a surprise.

If our next captain serves for 3-4 years there is every chance Wallis will overtake all our young kids given the glowing reports of his leadership potential - that would be a heck of a story as well, a father/son combo both having served as captain. Apart from Tim & Jobe Watson I can't think of anyone else.



Which is?

[Jasper]

No worries. I'm positive that Harvey and his dad were the only F/S duo to have captained a VFL/AFL team up until Jobe emulated his dad.

The other potentials I can think of are Ken and Dustin Fletcher-Given that Dustin has played for 45 years, surely he has lead the team at least once?

Charlie Pannam sr/Alby Pannam both captained The Filth aka Collingwood

[The Pie Man]

Until I see a difference, and I would need to, based on what I have seen I don't think he should be in the mix for 2011 when we have better candidates.

Anyone on Twitter and follow Cooney? I concede forming a view based on a social network of this sort is probably not wise, though he really doesn't scream captain material on it.

Funny and entertaining, but one tweet yesterday about the Aussies being $@&ed (while essentially the truth) kinda sealed it for me.

I'd be really surprised if they took that path

[azabob]

Anyone on Twitter and follow Cooney? I concede forming a view based on a social network of this sort is probably not wise, though he really doesn't scream captain material on it.

Funny and entertaining, but one tweet yesterday about the Aussies being $@&ed (while essentially the truth) kinda sealed it for me.

I'd be really surprised if they took that path

How about the so called "banter" between the collingwood guys on Twitter? They are all leaders yet that was just bizare. It's a new world with our sports stars with how they communicate and its something Joe public has to get use to.

[The Pie Man]

How about the so called "banter" between the collingwood guys on Twitter? They are all leaders yet that was just bizare. It's a new world with our sports stars with how they communicate and its something Joe public has to get use to.

Excellent point, and I was thinking of that when I was posted my thoughts.

I do believe there's a difference b/w their banter and the stuff Coons puts out - Coons swore, and I got a sarcastic vibe from his referecne to the AGM being 'thrilling' The Pies lads were just hanging it on eachother without venturing into inappropriate territory (although plenty of people seemed to disagree with me on that one as well)

All good funny stuff from a mate, but from an AFL skipper?

Happy to be re-directed by the WOOF community if I'm over-reacting...just an observation

[Murphy'sLore]

These guys need to realise that twitter, Facebook etc are public forums. If you wouldn't say it into a microphone at (say) a Bulldogs function, then don't say it on Twitter.

[LostDoggy]

Excellent point, and I was thinking of that when I was posted my thoughts.

I do believe there's a difference b/w their banter and the stuff Coons puts out - Coons swore, and I got a sarcastic vibe from his reference to the AGM being 'thrilling' The Pies lads were just hanging it on eachother without venturing into inappropriate territory (although plenty of people seemed to disagree with me on that one as well)

All good funny stuff from a mate, but from an AFL skipper?

Happy to be re-directed by the WOOF community if I'm over-reacting...just an observation

Your spot on. I follow Cooney and whilst I swear more than most, you need to know your audience.

I had thought that all football clubs had provided tuition to their player on how to manage and or establish their social network communications.

Not that I would want to bring any trouble on Cooney but it would be a good opportunity to point this out to the club before he or anyone else happened to really cross the line.

On a positive note, I see Will had a lovely steak at the Station Hotel yesterday.

[LostDoggy]

At the social club event last night they had a photo montage on the screens. I saw there were a couple of photos of Matthew Boyd standing in front of a mountain in New Zealand with a footy, one with Barry Hall & ?????? to each side of him but further back from the camera, and one on his own. Now I didn't see all of the photos, but at first glance that just screamed 'Captain photo' to me. :)

[The Pie Man]

Your spot on. I follow Cooney and whilst I swear more than most, you need to know your audience.

I had thought that all football clubs had provided tuition to their player on how to manage and or establish their social network communications.

Not that I would want to bring any trouble on Cooney but it would be a good opportunity to point this out to the club before he or anyone else happened to really cross the line.

On a positive note, I see Will had a lovely steak at the Station Hotel yesterday.

hahahaha how good was that? (and how much did I sound like Shane Warne then..)

I'm not looking to nail Cooney or be a wowser either, he's an interesting character of which there's precious few in AFL ranks these days - just an observation re: captaincy material.

[Mantis]

I'm not looking to nail Cooney or be a wowser either, he's an interesting character of which there's precious few in AFL ranks these days - just an observation re: captaincy material.

He obviously has a different personality which is fine... You would just hope that if chosen to lead he would be able to set a proper example to the rest of the squad, which I think he would.

[The Pie Man]

He obviously has a different personality which is fine... You would just hope that if chosen to lead he would be able to set a proper example to the rest of the squad, which I think he would.

Roughly what % do you think the example to the group criteria would form part of the overall decision?

Could it be..

Lead group by example : 80%
Represent group to public/members : 20%

closer to 50/50?

Do I agree that he can lead by example? Absolutely

[LostDoggy]

He obviously has a different personality which is fine... You would just hope that if chosen to lead he would be able to set a proper example to the rest of the squad, which I think he would.

He may in fact be able to change his behaviour moving forward, however he has already established his identity with the playing group. It is this established identity/perception that is the hardest thing to change.

The saying "you never get a second change to make a good first impression" comes to mind

[Mantis]

Roughly what % do you think the example to the group criteria would form part of the overall decision?

Could it be..

Lead group by example : 80%
Represent group to public/members : 20%

closer to 50/50?

Do I agree that he can lead by example? Absolutely

Yeah I am not sure, but it certainly is an interesting discussion point.

Personally I would have it 80:20 as posted, but I could see others feeling differently. However I would have the 20% section still having real importance, the captain has to do the right things when representing the club/ group, but I don't mind if he is allowed to be his own person.

[Mofra]

Relevent to the current discussion:

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/season2011/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/106074/default.aspx


Higgins keen to captain

YOUNG Bulldogs forward Shaun Higgins has put his hand up for the vacant club captaincy after growing as a leader over the past two years.

The 22-year-old has been in the leadership group since 2009 and admits he has aspirations to hold the role vacated by retired veteran Brad Johnson.

"Whether it's today or in a couple of years, it would be nice," he told afl.com.au this week.

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/season2011/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/106074/default.aspx

[Greystache]

Relevent to the current discussion:

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/season2011/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/106074/default.aspx



http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/season2011/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/106074/default.aspx

Not relevant to anybody except for Shaun Higgins as far as I'm concerned. I think he'd be better served trying to string 2-3 years of good footy together rather than worry about his standing in the game, his 2010 season was nothing short of horrendous.

[LostDoggy]

Not relevant to anybody except for Shaun Higgins as far as I'm concerned. I think he'd be better served trying to string 2-3 years of good footy together rather than worry about his standing in the game, his 2010 season was nothing short of horrendous.

Agree. 44 games in the last 3 seasons, need a better injury-free output. Turns 23 in March, still got his best footy to come, see how he is going by 26-27 and then it may be the right time for him to step into the role.

[Ghost Dog]

Agree. 44 games in the last 3 seasons, need a better injury-free output. Turns 23 in March, still got his best footy to come, see how he is going by 26-27 and then it may be the right time for him to step into the role.

same reason, happy if Adam does not get it. Rather he worry about other things. Being the gun that he is.
enjoy his humour but fair bit of conceit or sarcasm in some of his comments. now and then

Some remarks re hometown, Adelaide are pretty funny, taken in context but it's such a stupid PC world now.
Funny if he is day to day player but as a captain, can easily be twisted by media.
after Aker fiasco - keen for media quiet year besides onfield performance in 2011.

Someone alluded to funny moniker that cast aspersions on Callan Ward's captaincy chances.
What is Callan Ward's nickname anyway? And the story to go with it?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Regardless of who is made captain, the more significant point is that we have a large group of leaders, although there may not be one standout as figurehead.
Rohan Connolly in today's Age on prospects of all clubs for next season:
"(Bulldogs)...the absence of names such as Johnson, Akermanis and Eagleton mean more symbolically than in reality. Indeed, the Dogs' leaders are stronger than ever, Matthew Boyd, Daniel Cross, Bob Murphy, Daniel Giansiracusa, Adam Cooney and Dale Morris all at the peak of their powers, and Ryan Griffen a newly crowned best-and-fairest winner. Barry Hall has at least another year in him..."

[LostDoggy]

With Ward's unflattering nickname around the club I dare say even being part of the leadership group next year would be a surprise.

If our next captain serves for 3-4 years there is every chance Wallis will overtake all our young kids given the glowing reports of his leadership potential - that would be a heck of a story as well, a father/son combo both having served as captain. Apart from Tim & Jobe Watson I can't think of anyone else.

What nickname is that mofra?

[LostDoggy]

I'll add my voice to it as well, .......what is Callan Ward's nickname?????? Pleeeeze?

[LostDoggy]

Seeing so many of the guys have put their hands up for the captaincy What The Hell So will I

""""SHNOOKIE FOR CAPTAIN""""

non playing of cause, need the time to have a beer or ten, plus the old body couldn't take the training

[LostDoggy]

I'll add my voice to it as well, .......what is Callan Ward's nickname?????? Pleeeeze?

What's the relevance of Callan Ward's nickname in a Captaincy thread? And why is his nickname in high demand? I hope this is all revealed :cool:

[AndrewP6]

What's the relevance of Callan Ward's nickname in a Captaincy thread? And why is his nickname in high demand? I hope this is all revealed :cool:

Like you, I don't know his nickname but it must be a bit 'unsavoury' ;)
EDIT: take with a grain of salt, but on a certain other forum, I found mention that his nickname is either "Rowdy" or "Smooth" (definitive I know ;) )... which is kind of tame actually.

With Ward's unflattering nickname around the club I dare say even being part of the leadership group next year would be a surprise.

If our next captain serves for 3-4 years there is every chance Wallis will overtake all our young kids given the glowing reports of his leadership potential - that would be a heck of a story as well, a father/son combo both having served as captain. Apart from Tim & Jobe Watson I can't think of anyone else.

[azabob]

What's the relevance of Callan Ward's nickname in a Captaincy thread? And why is his nickname in high demand? I hope this is all revealed :cool:

Someone put Wards name coward as captain and another poster replied with it's unikely due to his nickname around the club that's why it's relevant.

[EasternWest]

What nickname is that mofra?


I'll add my voice to it as well, .......what is Callan Ward's nickname?????? Pleeeeze?


What's the relevance of Callan Ward's nickname in a Captaincy thread? And why is his nickname in high demand? I hope this is all revealed :cool:


Like you, I don't know his nickname but it must be a bit 'unsavoury' ;)
EDIT: take with a grain of salt, but on a certain other forum, I found mention that his nickname is either "Rowdy" or "Smooth" (definitive I know ;) )... which is kind of tame actually.


Someone put Wards name coward as captain and another poster replied with it's unikely due to his nickname around the club that's why it's relevant.

I could be wrong, but I remember Cal once being referred to as "Cement-head".

[Mofra]

I could be wrong, but I remember Cal once being referred to as "Cement-head".
We have a winner

[LostDoggy]

You could look at this in the positive sense, however I guess there is a very big difference between concrete and cement.

At least a concrete head is mandatory prerequisite to enable his "head over the Ball" style of play:)

[EasternWest]

We have a winner

Cool. What do I win?

[Desipura]

Someone put Wards name coward as captain and another poster replied with it's unikely due to his nickname around the club that's why it's relevant.
FWIW Terry Wheelers nickname was squirrel, we all know why. :D Did not stop him from becoming a respected coach at both Williamstown and Footscray.

[LostDoggy]

I could be wrong, but I remember Cal once being referred to as "Cement-head".

Wouldn't that be because he is a hard-nut?? Thats pretty flattering for a footy player isnt it? Or is something else read into it.

I dont yet see why that would count against him for a leadership role. Maybe I am being a cementhead... I do work for a cement company...

[Mofra]

Wouldn't that be because he is a hard-nut?? Thats pretty flattering for a footy player isnt it? Or is something else read into it.
I don't think it's meant to refer to his hard head ;)

There's more to being captain than merly being hard at the ball in any case.

[Ghost Dog]

I don't think it's meant to refer to his hard head ;)

There's more to being captain than merly being hard at the ball in any case.

Cement head. Gah, they're just jealous. What a final game in 2010 he played. Made our senior list look like plodders in that game. Go Wardy

[Dancin' Douggy]

I'd pick him before Cross and Boyd. Seriously

[Murphy'sLore]

Did anyone hear what Doug Hawkins had to say on this topic on SEN yesterday? Heard he was coming on but I had to go out. Did I miss any pearls of wisdom?:p

[Rance Fan]

Noticed on the bulldogs website - Boyd and Cross are the front men. Capt and Vice?

[AndrewP6]

Noticed on the bulldogs website - Boyd and Cross are the front men. Capt and Vice?

Yep, they appear to be on everything - Boyd is the "Bulldoze the Debt Ambassador" and both are on the membership card.

[jeemak]

Just had a look at the website. I'm willing to wait to see how it looks in a month or so before I look at it as a sign of who will captain the club, considering a decision is supposed to be at least two months away.

Thinking about our coaching staff going to the marketing team in December, or maybe November (it takes a little bit of forward planning to determine website content) and telling them to put Boyd and Cross up front because they're going to be the one and two seems a bit strange to me.

Just a thought, I could be full of BS :o.

[LostDoggy]

I could be wrong, but I remember Cal once being referred to as "Cement-head".

Thanks dfa4pm - interesting nickname? I wonder does it refer to his intellectual ability or the fact that he is hard at the ball on the footy field?

[The Coon Dog]

Thanks dfa4pm - interesting nickname? I wonder does it refer to his intellectual ability or the fact that he is hard at the ball on the footy field?

The former.

[1eyedog]

He may be dumb but he leads well on the field. I know that Bob Murphy thinks very highly of him.

[LostDoggy]

The former.

Oh! well, I guess we have a few boys who aren't brain surgeon material, but what the heck, as long as they can play footy, I don't care!

[AndrewP6]

Lack of intellectual prowess has never been a barrier to a long and successful football career... :)