The Saints are at it again, it seems...

[EasternWest]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teenager-claims-she-is-pregnant-after-sex-with-st-kilda-stars/story-e6frf9io-1225871304162

Mind you, if she's truly 18 or 19, I can't see why this is hugely newsworthy. I guess "starstruck teenager sleeps with footballer" is not sensational enough.

[mjp]

It says she is a teenage school girl. The players say she said she was 18 and her facebook page says 19 - it doesn't say how old she actually is.

I bet Andrew Lovett is very interested in the Saints response.

[Remi Moses]

So they met the girl at a school footy clinic,and thought she was 19 or 20!Gee horrible if this de-railed their season

[Sockeye Salmon]

It says she is a teenage school girl. The players say she said she was 18 and her facebook page says 19 - it doesn't say how old she actually is.

I bet Andrew Lovett is very interested in the Saints response.

Why would the police have been called in if she was over 16?

[Dry Rot]

Why would the police have been called in if she was over 16?

A very good question.

[chef]

Wow, they just sink lower.

[mjp]

Why would the police have been called in if she was over 16?

Totally agree. My comments were in response to the initial post that questioned why it was news given she was 18 or 19.

[Mantis]

Tim Watson has just explained on SEN the story as he has been told:

* 2 players go to a school to speak to a group of 30 students (this girl is one of the students)

* Some weeks later said girl who lives with 27 girl old woman go to Sydney to watch St.Kilda play.

* Afterwards girl hooks up with one player and has consensual sex.

* Two weeks later she hooks up with another player.

* A few weeks later she has pregnancy test, tells her housemate, who then goes to the school.

* Principal rings education department, who in turn calls AFL & St.Kilda footy club.

* Players told about it, they say their side - state they thought the girl was 18 and have no re-collection of her from the school visit.

[comrade]

You get the feeling there's plenty to come out of this story so it's going to be an interesting week, that's for sure.

Hopefully it reinforces to our blokes to concentrate on footy and do the right thing.

[EasternWest]

Totally agree. My comments were in response to the initial post that questioned why it was news given she was 18 or 19.

In fairness, I did say if she was 18 or 19. As with any breaking story, details are often vague at the start.

[Mofra]

I assume the players are 19 pr over, which is why the police would have been called in - as I understand it, "I thought she was 18" is not a valid legal defence in statatory rape cases.

[The Coon Dog]

As mjp says Andrew Lovett wil be more than an interested observer, particularly his legal team if one or two players are charged.

I just hope the 3rd player isn't one of ours.

[Bulldog4life]

Irrespective of what exactly happened someone is going to be a daddy!

[aker39]

There are really only 2 issues here.

Is she over 16?

Did the players give her their details at the clinic or did she instigate the meeting in Sydney without them knowing who she was?

If she is over 16 and the players did not instigate contact and did not know she was from the school, then this has nothing to do with the AFL.

If she is under 16 or the players did instigate contact, then they are in a whole lot of trouble and the AFL will be all over it.

[comrade]

The whispers suggest a Collingwood player might also be involved.

[Murphy'sLore]

Irrespective of what exactly happened someone is going to be a daddy!

I've just been waiting for the first father-son joke to surface -- close enough.

[LostDoggy]

The whispers suggest a Collingwood player might also be involved.

Wasn't Lovett's situation also complicated by Collingwood connections? Partners in tackiness, if nothing else. Scum hang out together, obviously.

[Ozza]

Wasn't Lovett's situation also complicated by Collingwood connections? Partners in tackiness, if nothing else. Scum hang out together, obviously.

The involvement of a Collingwood player was that it was a Collingwood player's (Jack anthony I think) ex-girlfriend who was alledgedly raped by Lovett. And he was the person who reported it.

[LostDoggy]

Girl + StKilda FC + News Story = Sounds like its going to involve Stephen Milne :rolleyes:

This made Page 10 in the paper today, won't know how serious it is until the players are named and typically shamed with the headline story.

[Mofra]

The whispers suggest a Collingwood player might also be involved.
Someone on another unamed website it was 24 and 22 year old saints players and a 20 year old Collingwood player.

[Mofra]

This made Page 10 in the paper today, won't know how serious it is until the players are named and typically shamed with the headline story.
Was a late breaking story though. The two majors have it as headline news in the online format

[hotdog]

From Saintsational forum.....

Those wanting a PM:

Careful not to arm yourself with too many glib comments in this matter.

Two books of the Old Testament tell us what comes first.

[LostDoggy]

Unfortunately I'm not overly familiar with the Bible, would these be chapters 19 & 20?:

C'mon Baz..we all know thats not true!! you certainly know what chapters to be looking for....personally i'm not really that into fiction.... :D

[Desipura]

Father/son should kick in with either of the 2

[ReLoad]

If my memory serves me right, chapter 19 was: "though shalt not eat a pie without sauce" and chapter 20 was: "always kick into the wind in the first quarter at the western oval"

Not sure what thats got to do with some naughty boys who couldnt keep it in thier footy shorts at saintland, but happy to stand corrected :)

[Sockeye Salmon]

I just googled the old testament reference and got Joshua but there is no Joshua on the St. Kilda list.

[aker39]

I just googled the old testament reference and got Joshua but there is no Joshua on the St. Kilda list.

Just try chapters 19 and 20

[Sockeye Salmon]

Just try chapters 19 and 20

Oh. :o

[EasternWest]

Just try chapters 19 and 20

A 22 and a 24 year old with a girl between 17-19 who told them she was 18?

No case to answer, move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

End of story.

[aker39]

A 22 and a 24 year old with a girl between 17-19 who told them she was 18?

No case to answer, move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

End of story.


They will have a case to answer if they got her details while conducting the clinic at her school.

Otherwise, you are correct.

[Desipura]

A 22 and a 24 year old with a girl between 17-19 who told them she was 18?

No case to answer, move along, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

End of story.
Its not that clear DFA4PM. The footballers are in a position of power (just like teachers are). We all know what happens to teachers that sleep with their students.
The players went to a high school footy clinic in which the girl attended.
When they met in Sydney, the players claim the girl said she was 19yo and do not remember her from the school footy clinic.
If it can be proven that the players do remember the girl from the school, they are in some serious trouble.

[Mantis]

The whispers suggest a Collingwood player might also be involved.

Bingo!!

Pies player linked to Saints sex scandal (http://210.247.128.102/news/tabid/281/newsid/46231/pies-player-linked-to-saints-sex-scandal/default.aspx)

[Desipura]

Bingo!!

Pies player linked to Saints sex scandal (http://210.247.128.102/news/tabid/281/newsid/46231/pies-player-linked-to-saints-sex-scandal/default.aspx)
Page 30 of the bible

[LostDoggy]

Its not that clear DFA4PM. The footballers are in a position of power (just like teachers are). We all know what happens to teachers that sleep with their students.
The players went to a high school footy clinic in which the girl attended.
When they met in Sydney, the players claim the girl said she was 19yo and do not remember her from the school footy clinic.
If it can be proven that the players do remember the girl from the school, they are in some serious trouble.

There are ways to prove what a person can or can't remember- but I've forgotten them.

[Desipura]

Bingo!!

Pies player linked to Saints sex scandal (http://210.247.128.102/news/tabid/281/newsid/46231/pies-player-linked-to-saints-sex-scandal/default.aspx)


There are ways to prove what a person can or can't remember- but I've forgotten them.
With mobile phones & facebook to name a few, its easy to track text messages or any type of message by time and by date.

[Ozza]

Page 30 of the bible

30? .....I thought Beams wore 17?

[LostDoggy]

Looking at it from a purely financial (and not emotional) view:

Single parent's pension of just over $600 pf = $15,600.
Rent assistance of about $130 pf = $3,380.
Maximum child support income amount is $147,135, if the player earns more than that then child support would be about $16.5k

All adds up to nearly $35,500, tax free. Without leaving the couch. (I'm not sure how the child support affects the pension & RA though). This is all very rough estimates.

If I was a young woman, I'd consider it too. This without the baby bonus.

I'm not condoning what the Saints players did, if it comes out they've done the wrong thing, but at the end of the day, this young woman needs to take responsibility too.

I feel sorry for the kid. Awful circumstances to come into the world.

[EasternWest]

They will have a case to answer if they got her details while conducting the clinic at her school.


If it can be proven that the players do remember the girl from the school, they are in some serious trouble.

True and true.

[EasternWest]

Well, that settles it.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teenager-claims-she-is-pregnant-after-sex-with-st-kilda-stars/story-e6frf9jf-1225871304162

[AndrewP6]

Heard tonight that she is 16...not sure if that's fact, but that was on the telly.

[LostDoggy]

As mjp says Andrew Lovett wil be more than an interested observer, particularly his legal team if one or two players are charged.

I just hope the 3rd player isn't one of ours.

Beammeupie

[Throughandthrough]

I think everyone knows who the players are now, but anyways

If they did meet at a school clinic, you can be as sure as anything that someone would have taken a photo of it.

[Mofra]

Looking at it from a purely financial (and not emotional) view:
Is the child support rate still 18% of yoru gross slaary above a threshhold of $35k?

She wont struggle like many other single mothers do - provided she proceeds with the paternity test after the baby is born.

[LostDoggy]

Is the child support rate still 18% of yoru gross slaary above a threshhold of $35k?

She wont struggle like many other single mothers do - provided she proceeds with the paternity test after the baby is born.

No, the rules have changed and the formula takes lots of things into account. 18% is a good rough guide though. I have three myself, and pay a small fortune… :) They're worth it though, all solid hardcore Bulldog pups…

[Desipura]

As soon as the story broke I knew it was not Kosi, he could not hit the target.

[EasternWest]

As soon as the story broke I knew it was not Kosi, he could not hit the target.

I know Kosi's girlfriend. She's tiny, I don't know how she can still walk.

[Mofra]

No, the rules have changed and the formula takes lots of things into account. 18% is a good rough guide though. I have three myself, and pay a small fortune… :) They're worth it though, all solid hardcore Bulldog pups…
Ah, sharing football. My parents seperated at a young age but I always had football with dad.

[Sedat]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/graphics/news3/MyTwoDads_S1.jpg

[jazzadogs]

As soon as the story broke I knew it was not Kosi, he could not hit the target.
Could have blamed his poor peripheral vision for not noticing the school uniform, Twilight posters and Justin Bieber CD in her room.

[GVGjr]

All,

I have cleaned off a couple of contributions. Please understand that this is not the right place to discredit players.

[LostDoggy]

All,

I have cleaned off a couple of contributions. Please understand that this is not the right place to discredit players.

Forum probably gets viewed by certain people of power, you would think.

I know who the players are, but i am not willing to public display them.

[KT31]

What about the girl.
Mum and Dad must be so proud.

[LostDoggy]

There is an email doing the rounds from an ex league player with a photo of the girl....16, who could tell?

[Desipura]

There is an email doing the rounds from an ex league player with a photo of the girl....16, who could tell?A Saints mate from work saw those 2 girls at the Victory room during a game, all the guys jaws dropped as she was wearing that short tight saints jumper.
He said she looked alot older than 16 and would be 5ft 10.

[LostDoggy]

A Saints mate from work saw those 2 girls at the Victory room during a game, all the guys jaws dropped as she was wearing that short tight saints jumper.
He said she looked alot older than 16 and would be 5ft 10.

Yep that's the girl...

[Topdog]

Her face looks 15.

[LostDoggy]

Geez I'm out of the loop -- someone PM me a link! :)

[LostDoggy]

Her face looks 15.

That was my thought too.

[soupman]

Geez I'm out of the loop -- someone PM me a link! :)

Me too please.

[Topdog]

I got it as an email which linked back to somewhere on facebook which is now blocked so cant pass on.

[Remi Moses]

Oh dear! Disgraceful allegations aired tonight . Police cover up on allegations from 2004:mad:

[LostDoggy]

Oh dear! Disgraceful allegations aired tonight . Police cover up on allegations from 2004:mad:

I'm sure that I am not the only one who thought at the time that there was more to this story.....as much as i dislike the player involved we should not jump to any conclusions. I hope that the Police now involved can bring more light on the subject. I feel for the woman involved as she now has to go through this all again!

[Topdog]

I didn't hear the actual interview but last night Finey on SEN indicated that the cop kept on referring to the case as the Milne case and not the Milne and Montanga case. Is that true?

[LostDoggy]

I didn't hear the actual interview but last night Finey on SEN indicated that the cop kept on referring to the case as the Milne case and not the Milne and Montanga case. Is that true?

Yeah ...and from what is in the feral this morning the only involvement of Montagna was as a witness (albeit unwilling)

[LostDoggy]

Appears that Mick Malthouse may have known more than we thought about Tiprat.

[The Coon Dog]

Police admit that former cop who alleges Stephen Milne rape charge case collapsed amid threats made complaint years ago

Stephen McMahon & Elissa Hunt - Herald Sun - 22 June

UPDATE 10.15am: POLICE now admit the lead investigator of a Saints rape charge did complain about interference by senior police before making his concerns public yesterday.

Former detective Sen-Det Scott Gladman claims that a 2004 rape charge against Saints star Stephen Milne collapsed amid a campaign of threats and intimidation from inside Victoria Police and by powerful club backers.

And in an embarrassing backflip, just hours after releasing an official statement that Sen-Det Gladman had never made a complaint, Acting Deputy Commissioner of Crime Steve Fontana has revealed concerns were raised with an unnamed assistant commissioner six years ago about interference in the investigation.

Article in full... (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/st-kilda-players-in-shock-sex-cover-up-claim/story-e6frf7jo-1225882432318)

[Topdog]

I think it is important to take note that in all this the policeman isn't saying that Milne would have been charged if there was no outside interference.

[aker39]

And in an embarrassing backflip, just hours after releasing an official statement that Sen-Det Gladman had never made a complaint, Acting Deputy Commissioner of Crime Steve Fontana has revealed concerns were raised with an unnamed assistant commissioner six years ago about interference in the investigation.



What was Simon Overlands ranking six years ago

[Max469]

In February 2003, Mr Overland became Assistant Commissioner Crime in Victoria Police where he developed and drove the Organised Crime strategy

He was appointed as Deputy Commissioner in July 2006 and was awarded the Australian Police Medal in the Australia Day honours of 2007.

[The Boy From Brasil]

Very interesting article from a few years ago. This court case did not make big news and the sexual assault was never investigated by the AFL.

A couple of conclusions can be drawn when you read it.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/afl-star-sued-for-sex-assault/story-e6freuy9-1111117085631