The Injury Thread 2011

[bornadog]

Hargrave - foot surgery - expected to return round 7

Cooney - knee soreness - miss round 1 NAB

Lake - post-season surgery on his hip, knee and shoulder - miss round 1 NAB

Feel free to add to list as we count down to the start of the season.

[AndrewP6]

Saw Shaggy at Wesley College today, hobbling around on a crutch.

[Desipura]

Saw Shaggy at Wesley College today, hobbling around on a crutch.

You sure he was not scratching his crutch?

[AndrewP6]

You sure he was not scratching his crutch?

Haha...he may have been doing that too.

[LostDoggy]

Missy Higgins has been on restricted training due to back spasms since before the 5 day break. Precautionary more than anything, so said Rocket yesterday.

[bornadog]

Hargrave - foot surgery - expected to return round 7

Lake - post-season surgery on his hip, knee and shoulder - Could return next week for Willi

Daniel Giansiracusa (ankle) and Lindsay Gilbee (hamstring), who sustained minor injuries, but are expected to face the Bombers.

Patrick Veszpremi and Justin Sherman - could also return against Willi

[LostDoggy]

Hargrave - foot surgery - expected to return round 7

Lake - post-season surgery on his hip, knee and shoulder - Could return next week for Willi

Daniel Giansiracusa (ankle) and Lindsay Gilbee (hamstring), who sustained minor injuries, but are expected to face the Bombers.

Patrick Veszpremi and Justin Sherman - could also return against Willi

Anyone think he's likely for Round 1?

[boydogs]

Anyone think he's likely for Round 1?

Getting him to play for Willy suggests he is only match fitness away now, but it may take a few weeks before he is ready. I'll say no.

[GVGjr]

Anyone think he's likely for Round 1?

Round 3 or 4 has been the consistent message for Lake to play. Anything earlier would be a bonus.

[LostDoggy]

My first thought when I saw the title of this thread was....."hope this thread never has many posts during the season!". Still hoping.....:o

[Desipura]

Round 3 or 4 has been the consistent message for Lake to play. Anything earlier would be a bonus.

I think if he is plays this week for Willi, he will play round 1. I can't see him playing a couple of games for Willi

[LostDoggy]

I think if he is plays this week for Willi, he will play round 1. I can't see him playing a couple of games for Willi

I can't see the coaching staff risking him either. If it takes until Round 4, they'll wait. He's our most important player.

[azabob]

I think if he is plays this week for Willi, he will play round 1. I can't see him playing a couple of games for Willi

I agree. Will be surprised if he plays more than one game for Willi.

[always right]

He's not even a definite starter for this week's Willi game. No chance for round one and I'd be putting money on him being nursed until after our first bye.:(

[LostDoggy]

Just FYI..Round 4 is a bye..

[ReLoad]

Injury rumour;

Just a a rumour but comes from a good source. (not tomato)

Apparently Griff's Shoulder is kaput and needs a reco which is a season ending injury so they are rolling the dice to see what impact it has and if he can play with/through it.

not good news at all.

[LostDoggy]

Injury rumour;

Just a a rumour but comes from a good source. (not tomato)

Apparently Griff's Shoulder is kaput and needs a reco which is a season ending injury so they are rolling the dice to see what impact it has and if he can play with/through it.

not good news at all.

When will luck turn our way..

[Desipura]

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumour about Griffen?

[LostDoggy]

Injury rumour;

Just a a rumour but comes from a good source. (not tomato)

Apparently Griff's Shoulder is kaput and needs a reco which is a season ending injury so they are rolling the dice to see what impact it has and if he can play with/through it.

not good news at all.

OMG - say it isn't so?

[Mantis]

OMG - say it isn't so?

It isn't so.

Not sure where ReLoad got his info, but it isn't true.

Griff has copped a few 'stingers' and will have scans to ensure there is no muscle damage, but it's thought all is well and he will be ok in a few days time.

Worse case is definitely not a reco which is only done when the shoulder joint keeps popping out which is not the case here.

[Desipura]

It isn't so.

Not sure where ReLoad got his info, but it isn't true.

Griff has copped a few 'stingers' and will have scans to ensure there is no muscle damage, but it's thought all is well and he will be ok in a few days time.

Worse case is definitely not a reco which is only done when the shoulder joint keeps popping out which is not the case here.
Thats good enough for me, thanks Mantis.

[Ozza]

**breaths sigh of relief**

[ratsmac]

Phew!!!!

[ReLoad]

Again to be clear it is just a rumour.

and im certainly not betting the farm on it or anything like that, but for those that did pay attention over the last few weeks, the padding and strapping on his shoulder looks a little more insidious than a mere "stinger" to me.

I will add a significant disclaimer that I have zero medical training, fail 9 times out of 10 to put on a band aid correctly, and wouldn't have the foggiest idea or training about shoulder injuries.

(has anyone seen him doing completive tackle/training work? has he been outside the group during these sessions etc?)

The only thing that has made me at least bring this up here, is that its a combination of things, and they dont make me feel comfortable that the situation is 100% peachy keen.

But as Mantis has spoken I'll defer to his font of club knowledge as opposed to a mere rumour.

[Maddog37]

Thanks Mantis and Reload.

I have also worried about Griff lately. Not really attacking the contest like he usually does. I had put it down to practise match form but shoulders are always a worry as they take so long to come good.

[LostDoggy]

A few "stingers" never stopped Judd and Campbell Brown from playing on. Griff will be ok.

[Greystache]

A few "stingers" never stopped Judd and Campbell Brown from playing on. Griff will be ok.

Judd's had reconstructions on both shoulders, that's a bit more than just a "stinger"

[LostDoggy]

Im still holding my breath...
Wont let go of it until round 1 when Griff runs around with 20 odd touches.

[LostDoggy]

Lets be honest after watching him the last couple of weeks he just doesn't look right.

[LostDoggy]

It isn't so.

Not sure where ReLoad got his info, but it isn't true.

Griff has copped a few 'stingers' and will have scans to ensure there is no muscle damage, but it's thought all is well and he will be ok in a few days time.

Worse case is definitely not a reco which is only done when the shoulder joint keeps popping out which is not the case here.

*****Big sigh of relief**** - thanks Mantis you've made my day :cool: Do the happy dance, yeah! To those who are doubtful, lalalalala....can't hear you! (I'm taking the "if I don't know, it can't be happening approach!")

[Cyberdoggie]

Lets be honest after watching him the last couple of weeks he just doesn't look right.

It is the pre-season though and there isn't too much in it for the senior players other than to get some miles into the legs and touch the ball.

If he continues to struggle into the regular season then that might be different.

[Pickenitup]

Spoke to Brian Lake last nite at the season launch i wouldnt be expecting him to line up
in Rd1

[LostDoggy]

Lake didnt play in the VFL match today.
So we're looking at potentially Round 2/3 earliest?

[LostDoggy]

Lake gets through intra-club game - AFL.com.au - http://icio.us/GYvg26

[bornadog]

Injury List as at 25 March

Brian Lake - Test - play for Willi this week and returns next week.
Lindsay Gilbee - (hamstring) - 2 weeks
Ryan Hargrave - (ankle) - 5-7 weeks

[Mitcha]

Veszpremi????

[Mantis]

Veszpremi????

He isn't injured.

[ReLoad]

I know your well connected mantis, but after seeing what happened today, Griff's shoulder has serious issues.

[KT31]

Lake gets through intra-club game - AFL.com.au - http://icio.us/GYvg26

Any Woofers there ?
Did he look alright or hampered ?

[LostDoggy]

Easton Wood gone for about 8 weeks, on his way now to hospital for possible ankle surgery

.

[Ozza]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit,

[LostDoggy]

Easton Wood gone for about 8 weeks, on his way now to hospital for possible ankle surgery

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Bloody hope not.
Anybody see what happened?

[BulldogBelle]

Just seemed like an awkward landing in a marking contest [Wood]

[LostDoggy]

Any news on wood?

[Remi Moses]

Broken Tibia saying on SEN

[AndrewP6]

So much for a bit of luck going our way in terms of injury

[LostDoggy]

So much for a bit of luck going our way in terms of injury

Oh yeah! I have been out all day and didn't even get to listen to the game, just heard the scores in the car on the way home. Kinda glad I didn't get to listen or see the game in one sense - but hell, why can't we get some luck happening with the injuries! Dammmmmmmm!

[always right]

Any confirmation that Picken broke his jaw?

[LostDoggy]

Any confirmation that Picken broke his jaw?

Not Sure AR but it looks like you've got "Lock Jaw" ;)

[Ozza]

Don't know if it has been covered elsewhere - but I've heard that Wood's injury wasn't a fractured/broken tibia - but that he has some ligament damage - and its more like 5 weeks than 8.

[bornadog]

Don't know if it has been covered elsewhere - but I've heard that Wood's injury wasn't a fractured/broken tibia - but that he has some ligament damage - and its more like 5 weeks than 8.

Yes, reported that way in The Age today.

Haven't heard anything about Picken, so he must be ok.

[bornadog]

Injury List - 30 March

Brian Lake - Test
Lindsay Gilbee - Test
Ryan Hargrave - (ankle) - 5-7 weeks
Easton Wood - (ankle) - 6-8 weeks

[AndrewP6]

He's not on the official injury list, but I have it on good authority (from his niece) that Gia rolled his ankle, after rolling it last week. So there ;)

[bornadog]

He's not on the official injury list, but I have it on good authority (from his niece) that Gia rolled his ankle, after rolling it last week. So there ;)

Will he play this week?

[AndrewP6]

She seemed to think so.

NB - She is only 11 years old. But she's very clever, and as reliable a source as you can get.

[Mantis]

He was in full training oin Wednesday and to the naked eye looked to be showing no ill-effect of an ankle problem.

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave - (ankle) - 4 weeks
Brodie Moles - (ankle) - 1 week
Jason Tutt - (foot) - 1 week
Easton Wood - (ankle) - 8 weeks

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave - 2 to 3 weeks

Easton Wood - 6 to 7 weeks

Good news that Ryan is not too far away.

[Rocco Jones]

Ryan Hargrave - 2 to 3 weeks

Easton Wood - 6 to 7 weeks

Good news that Ryan is not too far away.

Having both Shaggy and Wood out of the side has taken away from our backline's flexibility which has been a strength for awhile. Good news indeed.

[EasternWest]

Not Dogs related, but I just heard someone say on the radio there are 100 injured players across all clubs atm. I've never really paid much attention to other clubs injuries, does anyone know if that figure is high?

To me it sounds high.

[bornadog]

Not Dogs related, but I just heard someone say on the radio there are 100 injured players across all clubs atm. I've never really paid much attention to other clubs injuries, does anyone know if that figure is high?

To me it sounds high.

Count them here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-barometer-round-5/story-e6frf9jf-1226041482103

Total is about 60 something. That guy that rang is Mark from Bacchus Marsh, a doggies supporter who always has a conspiracy theory about everything.

[GVGjr]

That guy that rang is Mark from Bacchus Marsh, a doggies supporter who always has a conspiracy theory about everything.
He must have phone 6 times last year year because he was so worried how the byes would impact super coach and dream teams.

[hujsh]

Heard today that Gia may be out for a couple of weeks with a hammy or something like that from someone at the club. Anyone heard this?

[ledge]

Heres an update, also posted this in match committee thread
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/daniel-giansiracusa-to-miss-for-dogs/story-e6frf9jf-1226041967456

[LostDoggy]

16 day break and we come in with injuries everywhere..

Fantastic.

[bornadog]

16 day break and we come in with injuries everywhere..

Fantastic.

Gives an oportunity to a few blokes.

[comrade]

If Williams goes out, at least we know Marko can step in to do a job.

[bornadog]

Well in Summary after today:

Ryan Hargrave - 2 to 3 weeks

Easton Wood - 6 to 7 weeks

Gia - Hamstring tighness - at least a week

Vez - Broken finger - 1 week

Williams - Sore Back - to be tested before flight over to Freo.

[AndrewP6]

Well in Summary after today:


Vez - Broken finger - ????


According to Rocket, "probably a week"

[Maddog37]

Saw him showing Fantasia in the pound today. Looked pretty swollen and sore.

[Greystache]

Saw him showing Fantasia in the pound today. Looked pretty swollen and sore.

Did you notice what finger it was? ie index finger?

[Maddog37]

Ring or little at a guess.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Wood seems a little stuck at this stage.

Progressing OK or?

[Bulldog Revolution]

According to Rocket, "probably a week"

If he can play in a week after breaking a finger he is a sensation

[bornadog]

Update 4th May

Barry Hall (ankle) 1-2 weeks
Ryan Hargrave (ankle) Test
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Patrick Veszpremi (hand) 2 weeks
Easton Wood (ankle) 2-3 weeks
Gia - Test
Hudson - Test

[The Adelaide Connection]

Update 4th May

Barry Hall (ankle) 1-2 weeks
Ryan Hargrave (ankle) Test
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Patrick Veszpremi (hand) 2 weeks
Easton Wood (ankle) 2-3 weeks
Gia - Test
Hudson - Test

I know it's a little late now but did we upgrade any Rookies for Wood or Hargraves' long term injuries (or were they not long enough?).

[AndrewP6]

I know it's a little late now but did we upgrade any Rookies for Wood or Hargraves' long term injuries (or were they not long enough?).

I think Barlow was for Hargrave, but has since reverted.

[AndrewP6]

According to Rocket, "probably a week"


If he can play in a week after breaking a finger he is a sensation

OK I guess I was wrong...or Rocket was! :)

[bornadog]

Update 11 May 2011

Barry Hall (ankle) 1 week
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Patrick Veszpremi (hand) Test
Tom Williams (ankle) Test
Easton Wood (ankle) 1-2 weeks

Good to see Vez is close to playing

[comrade]

Update 11 May 2011

Barry Hall (ankle) 1 week
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Patrick Veszpremi (hand) Test
Tom Williams (ankle) Test
Easton Wood (ankle) 1-2 weeks

Good to see Vez is close to playing

That's a star studded injury list :o

You could even add:

Brian Lake (unfit) 3 weeks

[Ozza]

Dropped into Whitten Oval for a coffee this morning and a (pretty much) 2's group was on the track at the time. Was basically the bulldogs listed players who played reserves on the weekend plus Skinner - and Bazza came out and got amongst it for a bit.

Baz looked good - good energy and moved well out there.
Lake looked like a local footballer going through the motions.

[Desipura]

Vespa is playing VFL this week according to the AFL website

[bornadog]

Vespa is playing VFL this week according to the AFL website

He was listed as TEST

[Mantis]

He was listed as TEST

Why the need to YELL?

Desi was referring to the following article where it mentions that Vez will return this week.

Broken finger won't stop Veszpremi push (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/season2011/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/113591/default.aspx)

[LostDoggy]

Great news about Vespa.
I want to see him string some games together and get into the Bulldogs side, where he belongs. Has been stiff over the years with bad luck on injuries.

[Cyberdoggie]

In this weeks Fantasy Freako/champion data update it mentions this:

"Rocket Eade has already ruled out Shaun Higgins for another week. My
patience with him is running very thin with him, so if you’re in a position
to trade him out, offload him immediately. He can never be trusted ever
again!"

Is this confirmed? i hadn't seen it written anywhere yet.

[SlimPickens]

292

A mate of mine went to the 2010 AFL injury conference the other day. He emailed me the report, nothing ground breaking but may interest some people.

[LostDoggy]

Nice work Slim. Interesting to see the increase of injury to opposition team with increase in interchanges.

Wonder how this will change after the first season with the sub rule?

[bornadog]

The injury report you want to see:

Barry Hall (ankle) Test
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Tom Williams (ankle) Test
Easton Wood (ankle) Test

[LostDoggy]

The injury report you want to see:

Barry Hall (ankle) Test
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Tom Williams (ankle) Test
Easton Wood (ankle) Test

Nice viewing.

[LostDoggy]

The injury report you want to see:

Barry Hall (ankle) Test
Shaun Higgins (groin) Test
Tom Williams (ankle) Test
Easton Wood (ankle) Test

Except it should include

Adam Cooney (Knee) Monitor
Brian Lake (Knee) Monitor

I will be happier when we have arguably our two most talented players back to full fitness and free of the shadow of possible knee injuries. (I know some people are never happy).

[bornadog]

Listed 24 May

Dylan Addison (shin) Test
Tom Hill (foot) 8-10 weeks


No mention of Roughead or Cooney

[LostDoggy]

Listed 24 May

Dylan Addison (shin) Test
Tom Hill (foot) 8-10 weeks


No mention of Roughead or Cooney
Noticed that hope that means goo news on Roghy, although I will not hang my hat on it. The website has had players as out when they have played.

[Maddog37]

Bad luck on Tom Hill. From what I have read he was showing some good signs.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Listed 24 May

Dylan Addison (shin) Test
Tom Hill (foot) 8-10 weeks


No mention of Roughead or Cooney

LTIL?

Bring on the Doll House

[G-Mo77]

LTIL?

Bring on the Doll House

I didn't even think of that. Could be a debutant this week.

[Doc26]

LTIL?

Bring on the Doll House

Would like to see Dahlhaus promoted.
Like how he gets involved early in the chain of goal scoring opportunities.

The MC may be tempted by Barlow given Roughy's injury and Hudson struggling.

[LostDoggy]

Correct me if i am wrong but is Tom Hill a rookie?

Can't put him on LTIL and elevate a rookie

[Doc26]

Correct me if i am wrong but is Tom Hill a rookie?

Can't put him on LTIL and elevate a rookie

Nup he was picked in the National Draft so door is now open for Dahlhaus, Barlow or Hahn (or Johannisen).

[Greystache]

LTIL?

Bring on the Doll House

He'd have to be close to a certainty.

[comrade]

Structure wise, wouldn't Barlow be a decent option? Our current ruck set up is a liability at the moment. Huddo is declining quickly and Minson is being wasted as a quasi-stay at home forward. With Hall to return, this is amplified.

Minson should take 75% of the ruck contests, with Barlow to take the remainder and then go forward or back where required. This means Williams, Jones, Markovic etc can play their actual positions in stead of trying (and most likely failing) to pinch hit.

I'm excited about Dahlhaus and I know we need speed/defensive pressure in the forward line, but with a crappy ruck set up, he'll have nothing to chase down there any way.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I'm excited about Dahlhaus and I know we need speed/defensive pressure in the forward line, but with a crappy ruck set up, he'll have nothing to chase down there any way.

100% correct, you just need to look at Geelong with Ottens and Collingwood with Jolly, we need to get the rucks sorted and the rest should fall in line.

[bornadog]

Structure wise, wouldn't Barlow be a decent option? Our current ruck set up is a liability at the moment. Huddo is declining quickly and Minson is being wasted as a quasi-stay at home forward. With Hall to return, this is amplified.

Minson should take 75% of the ruck contests, with Barlow to take the remainder and then go forward or back where required. This means Williams, Jones, Markovic etc can play their actual positions in stead of trying (and most likely failing) to pinch hit.

I'm excited about Dahlhaus and I know we need speed/defensive pressure in the forward line, but with a crappy ruck set up, he'll have nothing to chase down there any way.

I stil think maybe throw Markovic into the ruck once Lake is back in. I am sure he rucked a bit at Willi last year.

[The Pie Man]

Structure wise, wouldn't Barlow be a decent option? Our current ruck set up is a liability at the moment. Huddo is declining quickly and Minson is being wasted as a quasi-stay at home forward. With Hall to return, this is amplified.

Minson should take 75% of the ruck contests, with Barlow to take the remainder and then go forward or back where required. This means Williams, Jones, Markovic etc can play their actual positions in stead of trying (and most likely failing) to pinch hit.

I'm excited about Dahlhaus and I know we need speed/defensive pressure in the forward line, but with a crappy ruck set up, he'll have nothing to chase down there any way.

While I'd be happy to see a young runner in form elevated, comrade's summed up my thoughts perfectly

[Rocco Jones]

LTIL?

Bring on the Doll House


Would they elevate Hahn instead:eek:

As much as I love the Doll House and loves the 99 crew, I hope we go with Barlow.

Our ruck department (and team in general) is not not the sum of it's parts. I don't rate Barlow as highly as Hudson as a player but I think he will bring more to the team as a 2nd ruck.

[LostDoggy]

Just saw above re: the injury to Tom Hill. Put on the LTI list and elevate Dalhaus. Don't use Barlow as a ruckman due to Roughy's potential injury as there is still Cordy to fall back on.

[Sedat]

I don't rate Barlow as highly as Hudson as a player but I think he will bring more to the team as a 2nd ruck.
I'm sticking to my story that we've mistaken Ed Barlow for Luke Vogels and that's the only reason he has ended up on our rookie list :D

I'm firmly in the 'promote Dahlhaus' camp.

[LostDoggy]

I'm sticking to my story that we've mistaken Ed Barlow for Luke Vogels and that's the only reason he has ended up on our rookie list :D

I'm firmly in the 'promote Dahlhaus' camp.

Plus one for me.

[LostDoggy]

Lake apparently was asked at HT if he wanted to have a needle in his hip and ankle but decided to play the game out , he would have been Subbed but BBB was Subbed as injured ( ankle ) instead

So I would think that Lake and Hall will miss next week , depending how he pulls up Lake may be on the bench for Williamstown

Ryan Griffen apparently got a bit of a stinger on the hip and also rolled his ankle , he could be right for next week

If anything else comes through the grapevine , I,ll post it up

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[chef]

Lake apparently was asked at HT if he wanted to have a needle in his hip and ankle but decided to play the game out , he would have been Subbed but BBB was Subbed as injured ( ankle ) instead

So I would think that Lake and Hall will miss next week , depending how he pulls up Lake may be on the bench for Williamstown

Ryan Griffen apparently got a bit of a stinger on the hip and also rolled his ankle , he could be right for next week

If anything else comes through the grapevine , I,ll post it up

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It was his right knee.

[LostDoggy]

It certainly didn't look like an ankle problem from where I was sitting either.

[ratsmac]

What is this injury that Roughead has because I haven't heard anything or seen anything on injury lists?

[bornadog]

What is this injury that Roughead has because I haven't heard anything or seen anything on injury lists?

This is the pathethic lack of communication from the Club website.

[bornadog]

Someone from the club must have read this thread as the update is better:

Dylan Addison (ankle) 1-2 weeks
Tom Hill (foot) 8 weeks
Adam Cooney (knee) 1 week
Barry Hall (ankle) test
Ryan Hargrave (ankle) test
Jordan Roughead (shoulder) test
Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1-2 weeks - the flu spread to his shoulder:D
Sam Reid (hamstring) 2-3 weeks

[Ghost Dog]

Sigh. Sam Reid. If only he could string a few weeks together. 3 years and 3 -4 games IIRC

[Mantis]

Sigh. Sam Reid. If only he could string a few weeks together. 3 years and 3 -4 games IIRC

He must hate playing against Hawthorn.... Plays his 1st game for the year against them in 2010 and stuffs his shoulders, this year same situation and he does a hammy. Poor bugger.

It seems that it's going to be very hard for him to get his career going which is a shame as he has some very good qualities.

[always right]

Elevate Dalhaus and give Cordy a run whilst Roughy is out injured. I think elevating Barlow would be a waste. We have two potential young ruckman to develop both of who can go forward. Much more to gain by elevating a small quick.

[G-Mo77]

Elevate Dalhaus and give Cordy a run whilst Roughy is out injured. I think elevating Barlow would be a waste. We have two potential young ruckman to develop both of who can go forward. Much more to gain by elevating a small quick.

They're both in the mix according to Paul Williams. I hope they choose Dalhaus.

http://lon-cdn220-is-2.se.bptvpd.ngcdn.telstra.com/pd_aflbulldogs0/OnDemand/AFL/2011/coaches_wrap/coaches_wrap_rd10_1mb.mp4

[The Adelaide Connection]

Is the door shut for Hahn to get the call up? If we were sitting third I think he would get the nod, but in our perilous position perhaps development may win against experience?

If Hall is done, or close to done, I still think Hahn is worth considering (especially from the Willi reports where he has been back to the sort of form he was in before he hit a truck called Barry).

[bornadog]

Good to see Roughead listed as Test.

[w3design]

Is the door shut for Hahn to get the call up? If we were sitting third I think he would get the nod, but in our perilous position perhaps development may win against experience?

If Hall is done, or close to done, I still think Hahn is worth considering (especially from the Willi reports where he has been back to the sort of form he was in before he hit a truck called Barry).

I don't think Hahn will get a chance now.

[azabob]

He must hate playing against Hawthorn.... Plays his 1st game for the year against them in 2010 and stuffs his shoulders, this year same situation and he does a hammy. Poor bugger.

It seems that it's going to be very hard for him to get his career going which is a shame as he has some very good qualities.

It is, he is very mentally strong also. I'd be surprised if he doesn't eek out an AFL career if not with us another club.

[ledge]

Dont think Hall should be dropped he was taking on 3 to 4 oppostion everytime, yes he did drop 3 marks he usually would take but I think he would take them this game if presented.
Who else is capable of showing some sort of toughness in our forward line?
Besides dont blame him, if 3 players were guarding him why werent our other 2 forwards spotted?

[Maddog37]

Only problem with BBBH is that Geelong love to run from the back half. He will be exposed defensively even more than usual.

[AndrewP6]

Another injury to Reid not a good sign....

[bornadog]

Update as of today

Dylan Addison (ankle) 1 week
Tom Hill (foot) 6-8 weeks
Adam Cooney (knee) test
Barry Hall (ankle) test
Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1 week
Sam Reid (hamstring) 2 weeks

[bornadog]

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 3 weeks

Barry Hall (ankle) test

Brodie Moles (shoulder) test
Sam Reid (hamstring) 1-2 weeks

Ayce Cordy (back soreness) 1 week

Tom Hill (foot) 5 weeks

James Mulligan (calf) 2 weeks

Brian Lake (groin) test

[Greystache]

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 3 weeks

Barry Hall (ankle) test

Brodie Moles (shoulder) test

Sam Reid (hamstring) 1-2 weeks

Ayce Cordy (back soreness) 1 week

Tom Hill (foot) 5 weeks

James Mulligan (calf) 2 weeks

Brian Lake (groin) test

Sam Reid played on the weekend FFS. Unless he did his hammy getting into the car after the match that hasn't been updated for weeks.

[bornadog]

Sam Reid played on the weekend FFS. Unless he did his hammy getting into the car after the match that hasn't been updated for weeks.

I found that strange as well, but was reluctant to leave it out as he may have done something to it again.

[LostDoggy]

Sam Reid played on the weekend FFS. Unless he did his hammy getting into the car after the match that hasn't been updated for weeks.

I think you can generally divide by two, add three and season to taste.

[Remi Moses]

Disappointed Cordy's injured, looks like a short absence . Just about to break into the side

[LostDoggy]

Brian Lakes bad season just gets worse, taken to hospital with an eye injury in the 1st quarter for Williamstown, I did,nt see anything I got there at the start of the second

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/sport/9665608/unlucky-lake-hurts-eye/

I wish Brian all the best

.

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 3 weeks
Barry Hall (ankle) test
Brodie Moles (shoulder) test
Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test
Tom Hill (foot) 4-5 weeks
James Mulligan (calf) 1 week

Mate met Shaggy at Friday's game and he said he would be back for the Melbourne game.

[Greystache]

Stack not listed, he missed last week with a hamstring, not often is that just a one week injury.

[bornadog]

Stack not listed, he missed last week with a hamstring, not often is that just a one week injury.

Nothing on the website. Very strange

[Greystache]

Nothing on the website. Very strange

Yeah you'd think he'd be listed as test at best. The club's making more effort on the injury list, but there's still still errors on it most weeks.

[chef]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 3 weeks
Barry Hall (ankle) test
Brodie Moles (shoulder) test
Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test
Tom Hill (foot) 4-5 weeks
James Mulligan (calf) 1 week

Mate met Shaggy at Friday's game and he said he would be back for the Melbourne game.

So I guess that means he will be playing at Willi this week other wise what a silly decision by the MC.

[azabob]

Stack not listed, he missed last week with a hamstring, not often is that just a one week injury.

True. But didn't Reid only miss one with his hamstring?

[Greystache]

True. But didn't Reid only miss one with his hamstring?

He missed a couple as far as I was aware, he was listed as still being out the past 2 weeks but he actually played at Willi.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Saw Stack at last Friday Night's game. He wasn't moving freely, and reached for the hamstring a couple of times. Looked like a general hamstring: 3-4 weeks.

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 1-2 weeks
Brodie Moles (shoulder) test
Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test
Tom Hill (foot) 4 weeks
James Mulligan (calf) test

Stack?

[G-Mo77]

Stack?

Played for Willy on Saturday, not injured.

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) indefinite

Zephania Skinner (knee) test


Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1 week

Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test

Tom Hill (foot) 3 weeks

James Mulligan (calf) test

Doesn't sound good for Shaggy.

[ledge]

Your right there Bornadog, usually means the season this late in the year.

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 1-2 weeks
Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1-2 weeks
Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test
Tom Hill (foot) 1 week
Ed Barlow (finger) test

They can't seem to make up their minds on Brodie Moles or Hargrave.

[Cyberdoggie]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) 1-2 weeks
Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1-2 weeks
Ayce Cordy (back soreness) test
Tom Hill (foot) 1 week
Ed Barlow (finger) test

They can't seem to make up their minds on Brodie Moles or Hargrave.

Will our injury list have an impact on our rookie elevations of Dahlhaus and Barlow?

ie i know we were allowed to elevate 1 rookie after round 12 or so without having to place anyone on the LTI list.

We also elevated another player at the same time for Hill's LTI i believe.

Anyone have any idea which player was elevated for Hill and when Hill's minimum injury time is up?

[divvydan]

Dahlhaus was elevated for Hill and Hill is expected to play next week.

Was just tweeting to Mark Stevens and he believes we're going to place another player onto the LTI list, unsure who it is.

[G-Mo77]

Will our injury list have an impact on our rookie elevations of Dahlhaus and Barlow?

I'm pretty sure once they're elevated they stay on the main list after a certain round (Round 11?) regardless of who is on or not on the LTIL.

[Maddog37]

Dahlhaus was elevated for Hill and Hill is expected to play next week.

Was just tweeting to Mark Stevens and he believes we're going to place another player onto the LTI list, unsure who it is.


Lake?

[bornadog]

Dahlhaus was elevated for Hill and Hill is expected to play next week.

Was just tweeting to Mark Stevens and he believes we're going to place another player onto the LTI list, unsure who it is.

Hargrave was listed as indefinite at one stage.

[ledge]

Hargrave was listed as indefinite at one stage.

I think you might be right.

[Pickenitup]

I think it could be Moles or Cordy

[LostDoggy]

Went to a club function tonight and we were told that someone else has to be placed on he lTI list or Luke has to go back on the rookie list. What an awful situation to be in.

[ledge]

Wonder if we could wrangle in a court as restrict of trade?

[chef]

Went to a club function tonight and we were told that someone else has to be placed on he lTI list or Luke has to go back on the rookie list. What an awful situation to be in.

I'm sure they would find someone to put on the LTI list if that was the case.

[Mantis]

I'm sure they would find someone to put on the LTI list if that was the case.

Who would that someone be?

[divvydan]

Kelvin31 on BF went to training today. From his report, the players not training were;

Reid, Lake, Skinner and Moles. Prato, T.Hill and Barlow ran laps/sprints and Shaggy trained.

Given that, it would probably have to come out of those first four.

[BulldogBelle]

Kelvin31 on BF went to training today. From his report, the players not training were;

Reid, Lake, Skinner and Moles. Prato, T.Hill and Barlow ran laps/sprints and Shaggy trained.

Given that, it would probably have to come out of those first four.



Reid - again?

He is becoming like Tommy Williams of old, injured every second week

[chef]

Who would that someone be?

I'm sure there would be someone in need of off season surgery who could have it brought forward to accommodate Dahlhaus staying on the list.

[Raw Toast]

Reid - again?

He is becoming like Tommy Williams of old, injured every second week

Reid was training - I went down with my kids, school holidays so a fun atmosphere (nice to meet Greystache's dog as well). If I get a moment to scratch myself I'll write a mini report.

[Mantis]

I'm sure there would be someone in need of off season surgery who could have it brought forward to accommodate Dahlhaus staying on the list.

The only I could think of is Hargrave, but he could be an important player for us if he gets his body right before season end.

Who else is there?

[Mofra]

Cordy hurt his back didn't he?

[bornadog]

The only I could think of is Hargrave, but he could be an important player for us if he gets his body right before season end.

Who else is there?

Rocket said today that Hargrave will be considered for selection next week.

Maybe Moles, his shoulder doesn't seem to be mending.

[bornadog]

I'm sure there would be someone in need of off season surgery who could have it brought forward to accommodate Dahlhaus staying on the list.

Dalhaus > Barlow

In any case not sure what the rookie rules are in the second half.

[Mantis]

Cordy hurt his back didn't he?

He trained today and looks ready to resume, plus we need to get games into him, even if it is in another 1 or 2 weeks.

[Mantis]

Dalhaus > Barlow

In any case not sure what the rookie rules are in the second half.

You can promote one at the end of rd 12 or 13 which we did with Barlow.

Dahlhaus was promoted for T.Hill who went onto the LTIL at the same time.

[bornadog]

You can promote one at the end of rd 12 or 13 which we did with Barlow.

Dahlhaus was promoted for T.Hill who went onto the LTIL at the same time.

but does that mean Dalhaus would have to drop back if Tom resumed?

[Max469]

but does that mean Dalhaus would have to drop back if Tom resumed?

Exactly what it means.

If someone else goes on the LTI list in the next week or so, he can again be in the team.

Hopefully they find a way for this little pocket dynamo to be in the team.

[Bulldog4life]

but does that mean Dalhaus would have to drop back if Tom resumed?

I remember that happened to Essendon's Damian Peverill in his first season. He was playing extra well at the time.

[chef]

The only I could think of is Hargrave, but he could be an important player for us if he gets his body right before season end.

Who else is there?

It could also be someone who has an injury between now and the end of the season.

[divvydan]

From the CBA

12.2
(c) An AFL Club is unable to transfer an injured Player to its Long Term Injury
List after 5.00pm on Thursday following round 18 of the AFL Premiership
Season in each year

Unsure if this changes now with 24 vs 22 rounds but I suspect it doesn't. This means that we would have to move someone onto the LTI List no later than next Thursday.

[Cyberdoggie]

From the CBA

12.2
(c) An AFL Club is unable to transfer an injured Player to its Long Term Injury
List after 5.00pm on Thursday following round 18 of the AFL Premiership
Season in each year

Unsure if this changes now with 24 vs 22 rounds but I suspect it doesn't. This means that we would have to move someone onto the LTI List no later than next Thursday.

This could be a big headache for Rocket.

He's either going to have to write off Hill's year now to let Dahlhaus keep playing,
or put someone else on the LTI and write off their season, or drop the grommet back down to williamstown for the rest of the year.

[the banker]

Grommet will not be dropping down - that is a certainty.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Do you have some inside info? Or is that just a guess?

[divvydan]

@StevoHeraldSun
Mark Stevens
Moles looms as most likely to go on to LTI list with shoulder if it doesn't improve . Dahlhaus was never going back to rookie list.

[Curly5]

Rocket said "someone" will be sent off for an operation shortly, but didn't say who.

[chef]

Who would that someone be?

Looks like it will be Moles.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Somebody on Facebook asked if anyone knew "who the player that would be announcing their retirement next week" was. :eek: What the?

Could this be why there will be an extra senior spot?

[Remi Moses]

Couldn't be Hargrave, being talked up to play at Willy next week!
My bet would be Moles going on the LTI list

[chef]

Somebody on Facebook asked if anyone knew "who the player that would be announcing their retirement next week" was. :eek: What the?

Could this be why there will be an extra senior spot?

Now or end of year?

[bornadog]

Ryan Hargrave (foot) test
Brodie Moles (shoulder) 1-2 weeks
Tom Hill (foot) test
Ed Barlow (finger) test

Lake????


Dahlhaus....whats happening:confused:

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Tom Hill (foot) test

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Dale Morris (groin) test

Lindsay Gilbee (calf) test

Nathan Djerrkura (achilles) doubtful

Liam Jones (knee) test

Daniel Cross (concussion) test

Robert Murphy (groin) test


Higgins ???

[Cyberdoggie]

I'm assuming then that Barlow is back again?

[Greystache]

I'm assuming then that Barlow is back again?

He was listed in the Williamstown reserves last week, I didn't end up going so not sure if he played or not.

[The Pie Man]

Julian De Stoop has tweeted Murphy to return

[LostDoggy]

He was listed in the Williamstown reserves last week, I didn't end up going so not sure if he played or not.

Barlow played for Willi Sen, against Werribee last Sunday.

[AndrewP6]

Maybe "The Injury Thread" ought to be morphed into "The Injury Forum" :eek:

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Dale Morris (groin) test

Nathan Djerrkura (achilles) test

Shaun Higgins (knee) test

[The Adelaide Connection]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Dale Morris (groin) test

Nathan Djerrkura (achilles) test

Shaun Higgins (knee) test

Looking a whole lot more positive than before the West Coast game.

[bornadog]

Looking a whole lot more positive than before the West Coast game.

The week off will also help lots of players. I see there is also open training on Thursday, so no holiday..

[Happy Days]

Heard a whisper about Tom Williams getting a shoulder operation this week, may be done for the year.

[LostDoggy]

Heard a whisper about Tom Williams getting a shoulder operation this week, may be done for the year.

China's done well to get this far I reckon… Never surprised with Tommy.

[Cyberdoggie]

China's done well to get this far I reckon… Never surprised with Tommy.

A good decision.

Why waste his pre-season, especially with shoulder injuries, they take a long time and they need the pre-season to get some strength back into the shoulders.

[The Underdog]

Heard a whisper about Tom Williams getting a shoulder operation this week, may be done for the year.

If true, the Markovic / Mulligan backline is going to be interesting. In a "I may not tip us again this season" way.

[Mantis]

Heard a whisper about Tom Williams getting a shoulder operation this week, may be done for the year.

Not true.

[Happy Days]

Not true.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-lose-tom-williams-to-surgery/story-e6frf9jf-1226111262352

Pretty true.

[Sedat]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-lose-tom-williams-to-surgery/story-e6frf9jf-1226111262352

Pretty true.
According to that article, the foot looks like being operated on first with the shoulder op to follow later on.

[Mantis]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-lose-tom-williams-to-surgery/story-e6frf9jf-1226111262352

Pretty true.

You said he was getting a shoulder operation that week which wasn't true... As I stated.

[Desipura]

You said he was getting a shoulder operation that week which wasn't true... As I stated.

Clutching at straws me thinks. If you knew he was not getting his shoulder operated why did you not state he is getting his foot done.? I assumed by your response you knew it all.

[Mantis]

Clutching at straws me thinks. If you knew he was not getting his shoulder operated why did you not state he is getting his foot done.? I assumed by your response you knew it all.

I stated what I knew and that was that Williams hadn't had a shoulder op. last week.

:)

[bornadog]

You said he was getting a shoulder operation that week which wasn't true... As I stated.

He will be getting a shoulder operation as well.

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Dale Morris (groin) test

Nathan Djerrkura (achilles) test

Shaun Higgins (knee) test

Justin Sherman (foot) 1-2 weeks

Zephaniah Skinner (knee) test

Eddie Prato (knee) test

Williams not listed?

[chef]

Whats wrong with Shermans foot?

[azabob]

Whats wrong with Shermans foot?

It spends too much time in his mouth? ;)

[Rocco Jones]

It spends too much time in his mouth? ;)

*BA-ZZZZZing*

[LostDoggy]

"An injury update on Dale Morris, he has a fracture in both tibia and fibula bones in his right leg. Good news is he's likely to be up and running in 10-12 weeks. Both bones were able to be realigned under anesthetic and he won't require surgery."

All from bulldogs FB.
Given how bad the injury looked and i what i expected, this isn't a bad result at all and he could be training before the calendar year is out

[Rocco Jones]

"An injury update on Dale Morris, he has a fracture in both tibia and fibula bones in his right leg. Good news is he's likely to be up and running in 10-12 weeks. Both bones were able to be realigned under anesthetic and he won't require surgery."

All from bulldogs FB.
Given how bad the injury looked and i what i expected, this isn't a bad result at all and he could be training before the calendar year is out

Yep, relatively great news.

[G-Mo77]

I guess it's good news. Still sucks to see Dale go down like that.

[Maddog37]

That is great news. I really love Morris. If we lost Ward to GWS and Dale for the 2012 season, my love of the game would have been sorely tested.

[Go_Dogs]

"An injury update on Dale Morris, he has a fracture in both tibia and fibula bones in his right leg. Good news is he's likely to be up and running in 10-12 weeks. Both bones were able to be realigned under anesthetic and he won't require surgery."

All from bulldogs FB.
Given how bad the injury looked and i what i expected, this isn't a bad result at all and he could be training before the calendar year is out

Glad it's not as bad as it could have been.

Dale's just about everything that is still good about footy. A guy who just gives it absolutely everything, every contest, every week. He shows no regard for his personal safety. He is a player who would do anything to win a game for us, and does exactly that just about every time. He's battled his way on to the list, and become one of the best, and most respected defenders in the AFL.

I'm confident he'll approach this injury in the same, professional manner he does everything.

All the best Dale, you are a bloody superstar.

[LostDoggy]

Glad it's not as bad as it could have been.

Dale's just about everything that is still good about footy. A guy who just gives it absolutely everything, every contest, every week. He shows no regard for his personal safety. He is a player who would do anything to win a game for us, and does exactly that just about every time. He's battled his way on to the list, and become one of the best, and most respected defenders in the AFL.

I'm confident he'll approach this injury in the same, professional manner he does everything.

All the best Dale, you are a bloody superstar.

^^ This

[BulldogBelle]

Yes top post Griffen#16

[The Pie Man]

^^

Wonderfully said G16, agree whole-heartedly

[Pickenitup]

Well said G16 i bloody Love Dale Morris he practically BleedS Red White and Blue
and above it all he is a Legend Of a Guy!

[LostDoggy]

Glad it's not as bad as it could have been.

Dale's just about everything that is still good about footy. A guy who just gives it absolutely everything, every contest, every week. He shows no regard for his personal safety. He is a player who would do anything to win a game for us, and does exactly that just about every time. He's battled his way on to the list, and become one of the best, and most respected defenders in the AFL.

I'm confident he'll approach this injury in the same, professional manner he does everything.

All the best Dale, you are a bloody superstar.

Ditto! Well said Griffen#16!

[the banker]

Glad it's not as bad as it could have been.

Dale's just about everything that is still good about footy. A guy who just gives it absolutely everything, every contest, every week. He shows no regard for his personal safety. He is a player who would do anything to win a game for us, and does exactly that just about every time. He's battled his way on to the list, and become one of the best, and most respected defenders in the AFL.

I'm confident he'll approach this injury in the same, professional manner he does everything.

All the best Dale, you are a bloody superstar.

Spot on. Especially liked the opening sentence.

[LostDoggy]

Love it G#16.

[Max469]

Well said as eveyone has mentioned.

Wishing Dale all the best.

Exceptional man on and off the field.

Proud to have him in the Red, White and Blue jumper.

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) test

Dale Morris (broken leg) season

Justin Sherman (foot) 1-2 weeks

Zephaniah Skinner (knee) test

Eddie Prato (knee) test

Tom Williams??

[Desipura]

Eddie Prato will not be retained for 2012 I was told

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) season

Dale Morris (broken leg) season

Tom Williams season

Justin Sherman (foot) 1 week

Zephaniah Skinner (knee) test

Eddie Prato (knee) test

Luke Dahlhaus (soreness) test

[LostDoggy]

What are the chances of Zephaniah getting another run before the end of the year? Absolute zero? (Anybody in the know?)

How has his form at Willy been?

[Sockeye Salmon]

What are the chances of Zephaniah getting another run before the end of the year? Absolute zero? (Anybody in the know?)

How has his form at Willy been?

I don't get there early enough to see the reserves.

[bornadog]

Brian Lake (knee) season

Brodie Moles (shoulder) season

Adam Cooney (knee) season

Dale Morris (broken leg) season

Justin Sherman (foot) season

Zephaniah Skinner (knee) test

Eddie Prato (knee) test

Ayce Cordy (hand) season

Tom Williams Season

What a mess with all those players out.

Freo are worse than us, they don't even have 22 players for this weekend and have asked the AFL if they can promote another two rookies to make up the numbers.

[Murphy'sLore]

Freo are worse than us, they don't even have 22 players for this weekend and have asked the AFL if they can promote another two rookies to make up the numbers.

Bloody hell, that's extraordinary.

[Greystache]

I saw Dale at training yesterday, he was in a wheelchair with a hip to ankle cast on. Looks a pretty miserable way to be for a few months.