2011 - NAB Rising Star

[The Coon Dog]

As in previous years I'll update this each week.

To be eligible to be nominated for the award, a player must be younger than 21 years of age on January 1 of the award year and have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season. A player who is suspended during the season is not eligible to win the award, however is still eligible for nomination.

The NAB Rising Star for round 1 is Essendon's Dyson Heppell.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND
20. Zac Clarke - Fremantle (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 37 - 2008ND
21. Luke Dahlhaus - Western Bulldogs (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 22 - 2010 RD
22. Alex Fasolo - Collingwood (East Fremantle) - Pick 45 - 2010ND
23. Sam Blease - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 17 - 2008ND
24. Liam Jones - Western Bulldogs (Tassie Mariners) - Pick 32 - 2008ND

[Happy Days]

Tapscott very, very stiff, thought Heppel was just the beneficiary of a dominant team performance.

[KT31]

How many GC in the next 22 rounds ?

[Scorlibo]

Tapscott very, very stiff, thought Heppel was just the beneficiary of a dominant team performance.

Agree with that, I think Libba showed more on the day, but my pick for the round would have been Tapscott or Shaun McKernan.

[LostDoggy]

Luke Shuey is the Nab Rising Star for round 2

Libba Snubbed!

[Mantis]

Luke Shuey is the Nab Rising Star for round 2

Libba Snubbed!

Well deserved gong for Shuey, he was extremely important in a hard fought win.

Libba's time will come if his form continues as it is.

Good call.

[LostDoggy]

Well deserved gong for Shuey, he was extremely important in a hard fought win.

Libba's time will come if his form continues as it is.

Good call.

Exactly, as good as Libba was (and I didn't see the WC game) 27 touches and 3 goals is hard to argue with.
Libba will be nominated soon enough.
So will Wallis.

And Tapscott.

And Firstdogonthemoon.

[LostDoggy]

I'm the over weekly the rising star award, and not because Libba didn't get it this week. Based on a weekly opinion against players in different games and doen't really mean much except for end of year chance of 24 in the final prize.

[comrade]

Isn't Shuey in his third year on the list?

[G-Mo77]

I'm a little disappointed but it's hard to argue against it.

Personally I rate 9 tackles higher than 3 goals. Libba will get his nomination soon enough so it doesn't really matter when they are nominated.

[Ozza]

I'm a little disappointed but it's hard to argue against it.

Personally I rate 9 tackles higher than 3 goals. Libba will get his nomination soon enough so it doesn't really matter when they are nominated.

Do you really rate 9 tackles above 3 goals?!

Boyd had 11 tackles last week - most of which because he was second to the ball - I'd have preferred for him to have gotten on the scoreboard a couple of times!

[The Coon Dog]

A bit late, but the winner this week was a worthy winner; West Coast's Luke Shuey.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND

[G-Mo77]

Do you really rate 9 tackles above 3 goals?!

Boyd had 11 tackles last week - most of which because he was second to the ball - I'd have preferred for him to have gotten on the scoreboard a couple of times!

It's the backman coming out in me. :D

I see goals the end result of hard work elsewhere.

I watched Libba very closely Sunday and his 9 tackles were not because he was second to the ball. I'm really not sure how Shuey got his goals, I didn't see their game. If he got them because of his own hard work then I'd gladly take the comment back.

[LostDoggy]

I'm a little disappointed but it's hard to argue against it.

Personally I rate 9 tackles higher than 3 goals. Libba will get his nomination soon enough so it doesn't really matter when they are nominated.


Do you really rate 9 tackles above 3 goals?!

Boyd had 11 tackles last week - most of which because he was second to the ball - I'd have preferred for him to have gotten on the scoreboard a couple of times!

It all depends how these stats came about?
If they are 3 freebie goals up against 9 chase down someone elses opponent then tackles would win hands down. If the tackles where a result of your opponent beating you to the ball and the goals were crucial hard fought team lifters then goals would obviously win.

[jazzadogs]

Isn't Shuey in his third year on the list?
It's about age. Something like being under 21 as of the start of the season, or as of the start of the year.

From memory, Shuey was a bottom-age draftee.

[LostDoggy]

It's about age. Something like being under 21 as of the start of the season, or as of the start of the year.

From memory, Shuey was a bottom-age draftee.

Correct Under 21 and less then 10 games at the start of the season

[Mantis]

Correct Under 21 and less then 10 games at the start of the season

Jarrad Grant was in his 3rd year as well last year when he was nominated, but he met the qualification criteria that you have outlined.

[Bulldog4life]

Do you really rate 9 tackles above 3 goals?!

Boyd had 11 tackles last week - most of which because he was second to the ball - I'd have preferred for him to have gotten on the scoreboard a couple of times!

He did.

[LostDoggy]

How did Libba not win this week?

I am biased and didnt watch any other game and have never seen Shuey... Outraged nonetheless!

[Go_Dogs]

Shuey was very impressive against Port. Moves very well and has a bit of toe, looks like he might be the pick of WC's young midfielders from the past few drafts.

[The Coon Dog]

Geelong's Mitch Duncan is the round 3 NAB Rising Star winner.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND

[KT31]

How do you put abet on this ?
Sports bet or the TAB do not have an option on the screen.

[The Coon Dog]

Port Adelaide's Jasper Pittard is the round 4 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 NAB Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND

[comrade]

I didn't watch much of the Port game but from what I did see, Pittard looked very composed down back, like a less creative Bob Murphy.

Hopefully the kid we picked one before him kicks on soon.

[Happy Days]

Really not getting the nominees this year; no way Darling doesn't get the nod this week.

[mjp]

Really not getting the nominees this year; no way Darling doesn't get the nod this week.

If he misses out it will be under the 'Players involved in bar fights' clause.

[Doc26]

Really not getting the nominees this year; no way Darling doesn't get the nod this week.

He won't be getting it this week (i.e rd 5) as the WCE have the bye. Hopefully little Libba puts on a show out West.

[Jasper]

How do you put abet on this ?
Sports bet or the TAB do not have an option on the screen.

Sportsbet.com.au has odds up for this.

Heppell currently favourite at 5-1.
Young Libba 4th favourite at 11-1.

I know one astute judge who got Libba pre-season at $67.00 :)

[Rocco Jones]

Really not getting the nominees this year; no way Darling doesn't get the nod this week.

I'm with you there mate. I haven't had a real issue with the nominations so far but those in charge seem to really rate accruing disposals. Having a large DT score seems to put you right up there, seems like another award suited to midfielders/smalls which is especially unfair due to talls/KPs/rucks typically taking longer to develop.

My four nominations would be Heppell, Shuey, Zac Smith and Darling.

[LostDoggy]

I know one astute judge who got Libba pre-season at $67.00 :)

Same here :D Got him $15 each way I think..

[The Coon Dog]

Huge game today by Brandon Matera, will take some beating this week.

[comrade]

Huge game today by Brandon Matera, will take some beating this week.

Supercoach cash cow!

[azabob]

Huge game today by Brandon Matera, will take some beating this week.

Totally agree, thought he was impressive against us also. Looks like a very very good player.

[comrade]

Totally agree, thought he was impressive against us also. Looks like a very very good player.

Exactly the type of player we need in our forward line :(

[Flamethrower]

Huge game today by Brandon Matera, will take some beating this week.

His 2 biggest challengers may come from team mates Charlie Dixon and David Swallow.

[Hotdog60]

Libba or Wally will have to rack up 20-30 touches and kick 5 goals to get a look in this week, Brandon Matera looked very good.

[The Coon Dog]

Hardly any surprise after his outstanding effort for the Gold Coast on Saturday that Brandon Matera is the round 5 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 NAB Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010

[aker39]

Hardly any surprise after his outstanding effort for the Gold Coast on Saturday that Brandon Matera is the round 5 NAB Rising Star nominee.




Yet the Sunday Age journalist couldn't find a spot for him in the top 5 players on the ground.

[ratsmac]

Hardly any surprise after his outstanding effort for the Gold Coast on Saturday that Brandon Matera is the round 5 NAB Rising Star nominee.


2011 NAB Rising Stars


1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
Yep easy choice

[Sedat]

Yep easy choice
Not denying Matera's super performance on Saturday, but I was very impressed with Menzel yesterday, and against much better opposition. Had he started the game and not come on as a sub, he might have given the nomination a shake this week.

[azabob]

Not denying Matera's super performance on Saturday, but I was very impressed with Menzel yesterday, and against much better opposition. Had he started the game and not come on as a sub, he might have given the nomination a shake this week.

Both Menzel and Duncan look very good. Both have good size also.

[The Coon Dog]

Hardly surprising after his game on Thursday night; Jack Darling is the round 6 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 NAB Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND

[The Coon Dog]

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[azabob]

Hardly surprising after his game on Thursday night; Jack Darling is the round 6 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 NAB Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND

Great initiative with the player cards!

Gee he looks big and impressive. W/C have an impressive forward line.

[The Coon Dog]

Big Gold Coast ruckman Zac Snith is the round 7 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009

[Go_Dogs]

Looks an exciting talent Zac Smith.

[comrade]

GC could have another 3 or 4 nominations by year end.

[The Coon Dog]

GC could have another 3 or 4 nominations by year end.

In a normal year that would be unusual, but its not this year given the number of exceptional young players they have been allowed to secure.

[Topdog]

GC could have another 3 or 4 nominations by year end.

They should get at least 8.

[Maddog37]

From what I have seen so far Heppell is in front. He is very consistent.

[mjp]

From what I have seen so far Heppell is in front. He is very consistent.

Darling for me.

Recruiters really outsmarted themselves over him in last years draft.

[Maddog37]

MJP, Is this award about what they have done this year or their potential?

On which basis do you prefer Darling?

[mjp]

The fact that he is doing it as a key forward rather than as an outside mid/half-back.

Averaging 15 touches and 6 marks per week - laying tackles...has just been super. Heppell has been great as well (21 touches a week) - I am fine with that, but he is playing a much easier role in what is a much better side.

[LostDoggy]

Libba's turn this week, I bet he is hungry after a week out.

[boydogs]

Libba's turn this week, I bet he is hungry after a week out.

You might be right there

[divvydan]

Will either be Libba or Savage this week, as great as Libba was, Savage was arguably better, whoever misses out will be very unlucky.

[boydogs]

Will either be Libba or Savage this week, as great as Libba was, Savage was arguably better, whoever misses out will be very unlucky.

They seem to prefer players that have already had a few good ones, might get Libba over the line

[G-Mo77]

Will either be Libba or Savage this week, as great as Libba was, Savage was arguably better, whoever misses out will be very unlucky.

:(

Looks that way doesn't it.

I thought Libba would be a shoe in until I read that.

[choconmientay]

Stats for round 8 NAB rising star (top 5) but I still hope Libba would get this:

AFL Rising Star Stats for Round 8 2011

Name Team Opponent Result Ks H D M G B T HO FF FA DT SC
Shane Savage Hawks Saints Win 99-69 15 11 26 14 2 1 5 0 2 0 144 136
Thomas Liberatore Bulldogs Tigers Win 153-118 10 15 25 1 2 0 6 1 0 0 100 117
Jordan Gysberts Demons Kangaroos Loss 83-124 8 15 23 3 0 0 4 1 0 2 74 85
Michael Hibberd Bombers Lions Win 102-66 12 10 22 4 0 0 1 0 0 0 72 57
Reece Conca Tigers Bulldogs Loss 118-153 10 12 22 6 0 0 2 0 3 1 80 72

[G-Mo77]

That's bloody hard to read.

I think the 14 Marks for Savage puts him in front unfortunately. :(

I hope I'm wrong.

[Murphy'sLore]

Nooo, that's so unfair! They can't overlook Libba again surely.

He's been so solid, we are already starting to take him for granted, and he was terrific yesterday.

[Go_Dogs]

Libba is ahead in the key indicators for the modern game for mine, being contested ball, tackles and assists. I didn't see Hawthorn's game, but apparently Savage was one of the most influential players on the field.

Tough week to call it, and whilst it's a nice reward, young Libba is exceeding all expectations - I'm sure he's content becoming a best 22 player and having a real impact.

[LostDoggy]

Tough week to call it, and whilst it's a nice reward, young Libba is exceeding all expectations - I'm sure he's content becoming a best 22 player and having a real impact.

You're joking right: $67.00 pre-season! Bugger the top 22 I WANNA GET PAID!!!!! :D

[Sedat]

Savage has got it apparently. Libba will get his soon enough.

[The Coon Dog]

The round 8 Rising Star nominee is Hawthorn's Shane Savage.

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Link (http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20afl%20rising%20star/tabid/784/default.aspx)


2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND

[Bumper Bulldogs]

That's bloody hard to read.

I think the 14 Marks for Savage puts him in front unfortunately. :(

I hope I'm wrong.

The tackle count will get him over the line, Time on round also as the Hawks had only 2 emergencies so Savage had more time on the ground.

[The Coon Dog]

Well, it appears Jumping Jack at Tigerland has leaked this weeks NAB Rising Star nominee; Reece Conca.

I'll wait until the official announcement on Tuesday morning before updating things.

Link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/has-richmonds-jack-riewoldt-leaked-the-round-9-rising-star-nominee/story-e6frf9jf-1226061223125)

[EasternWest]

He's a good player Conca. Like Libba, he just looks ready.

[Greystache]

He's a good player Conca. Like Libba, he just looks ready.

Yeah he's had almost as good a season as Libba.

[The Coon Dog]

No surprise then that Reece Conca is the round 9 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND

[The Coon Dog]

Hard to see anyone other than the Saints Jack Steven being nominated this week.

[Jasper]

Hard to see anyone other than the Saints Jack Steven being nominated this week.

Is Puopolo too old?
David Swallow would be the only GC in the mix I suspect

[The Coon Dog]

Is Puopolo too old?

Yup, he's 23.

[The Coon Dog]

St.Kilda's Jack Steven is the round 10 NAB Rising Star Nominee. Hardly a surprise this week after his game v Fremantle.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND

[The Coon Dog]

Mark Stevens has just tweeted: 'Full credit to Jack Steven, like his style. But should a player in his 4th season be eligible for a Rising Star?'

I have to say I agree with his sentiment.

[The Coon Dog]

Melbourne's Jordan Gysberts in the round 11 NAB Risisng Star nominee, one of the rare people to receive 2 nominations in 2 years after also receiving one last year in his second match.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND

[Jasper]

Melbourne's Jordan Grysberts in the round 11 NAB Risisng Star nominee, one of the rare people to receive 2 nominations in 2 years after also receiving one last year in his second match.

11. Jordan Grysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND[/B]

Memo to the spelling nazi - it Gysberts............:)

[The Coon Dog]

Memo to the spelling nazi - it Gysberts............:)

I must admit, I struggle a bit with opposition players, honestly I just don't take as much notice as I do of ours. :o

Funnily enough I just had a sneak peek at what I did last year with young Jordan & again I got it wrong, so I'm nothing if not consistent.

[The Coon Dog]

Sydney's Sam Reid is the round 12 NAB Rising Star nominee.


2011 Rising Stars

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1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND

[The Coon Dog]

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[anfo27]

i just got back from 6 weeks o/s and can't believe little libba still has not got a nomination. Has his performances the last 6 weeks not warranted a nomination?

[The Coon Dog]

i just got back from 6 weeks o/s and can't believe little libba still has not got a nomination. Has his performances the last 6 weeks not warranted a nomination?

No unfortunately, he's been well off the pace.

[Murphy'sLore]

Hope he comes back into some form soon or he might have missed his window.

[The Coon Dog]

Daniel Menzel from Geelong is the round 13 NAB Rising star.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND

[Dancin' Douggy]

i just got back from 6 weeks o/s and can't believe little libba still has not got a nomination. Has his performances the last 6 weeks not warranted a nomination?

Not really, but he has been tough, and clever and neat in heavy traffic. A gem.

[The Coon Dog]

Gold Coast's number 1 Draft Pick in 2010, David Swallow is the round 14 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND

[bornadog]

Gold Coast's number 1 Draft Pick in 2010, David Swallow is the round 14 NAB Rising Star nominee.



Top player, he will be a star.

[The Coon Dog]

Hawthorn's Luke Breust is the Round 15 NAB Rising Star Nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD

[LostDoggy]

I went to the game, this one well deserved.

[Rocco Jones]

How did McKenzie miss out?

I know it's not all about stats but...

McKenzie: 17 kicks, 7 handballs, 5 marks, 7 tackles, 2 goals, 116 SC points
Bruest: 8 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 1 tackle, 2 goals, 65 SC points


* I know using SC points is a bit much but it gives some indication to efficiency and the like.

[Maddog37]

Grommet was more deserving than Bruest IMO.

[OLD SCRAGGer]

grommet was more deserving than bruest imo.

totally agree!!!

[The Coon Dog]

Richmond's Jake Batchelor is the round 16 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND

[chef]

Dahlhaus would have to be a fair chance for a nom if he can keep improving each week.

Rookies can get nominated TCD?

[The Coon Dog]

Rookies can get nominated TCD?

It happened last week with Luke Breust.

[bornadog]

Dahlhaus would have to be a fair chance for a nom if he can keep improving each week.

Rookies can get nominated TCD?

I don't know about Batchelor, but what I do know is Dahlhaus had a big influence on the game on Sunday. He kicked a goal and had direct involvement with another three. He chased tackled harrassed. Hopefully he will be nominated before year end.

[LostDoggy]

I don't know about Batchelor, but what I do know is Dahlhaus had a big influence on the game on Sunday. He kicked a goal and had direct involvement with another three. He chased tackled harrassed. Hopefully he will be nominated before year end.

Don't count on it. Libba had a strong influence in a few games and still got snubbed. :rolleyes:

[LostDoggy]

Bullshit if you ask me. Dahlhaus had much more effect than Batchelor did. For Christ sake's, he's leading the competition on pressure acts in the past 5 games, surely leading the comp on any stat should have you looked at?

Rising Star is fast becoming the AFL's equivalent of those Brand Power TV spots.

[Murphy'sLore]

Grommet woz robbed.

[Rocco Jones]

Dahlhaus' is underrated by those who simply look at basic stats because his main strength is his pressure acts inside 50. It's huge in modern day footy but it doesn't get you SC points (I think anyway!) and it doesn't really make the stats page.

The Rising Star selectors obviously don't rate Trent McKenzie as much as I do.

[ledge]

Dahlhaus is awesome in close,I wonder how long before he gets tagged.
Does the club have plans to make him put on weight, some kids just dont need it, Nahas as an example.
Give Dalhaus jumper number 6 I say.

[LostDoggy]

Give Dalhaus jumper number 6 I say.

Don't wanna turn this into a Dalhaus thread (well, thats a lie) but I'd love to see him in #6 too, he has shown a lot in little time just like Libba & Wallis did and I was very proud pointing out his efforts sitting with a bunch of Carlton fans who were astonished at some of his plays :D Deserving of at least a Rising Star Nom.

[Mantis]

Interesting article in the Herald Sun today, see here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/budding-afl-rising-stars-stuck-in-logjam-with-eight-rounds-remaining/story-e6frf9jf-1226093405972).

James Fantasia is looking for some clarification from the AFL on how each weeks nomination is decided:

'But it can be mystifying why a player is selected in any given week. Western Bulldogs football manager James Fantasia has called on the league to explain the criteria for Rising Star nominations.

"How do they decide? It would be good to have clarity around how they measure it, or who qualifies each week," Fantasia said.'

[aker39]

Interesting article in the Herald Sun today, see here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/budding-afl-rising-stars-stuck-in-logjam-with-eight-rounds-remaining/story-e6frf9jf-1226093405972).

James Fantasia is looking for some clarification from the AFL on how each weeks nomination is decided:

'But it can be mystifying why a player is selected in any given week. Western Bulldogs football manager James Fantasia has called on the league to explain the criteria for Rising Star nominations.

"How do they decide? It would be good to have clarity around how they measure it, or who qualifies each week," Fantasia said.'

Doesn't the club ask the same question every year.

[LostDoggy]

Well how does the whole thing work?
One is nominated per week on weekly effort,
Then one winner is selected out of the group of 22?????
So if one kid is above consistent all year and doesn't have one blinder of a game then he wont be nominated therefore can win???
(sorry for using the word "one" alot)

[LostDoggy]

who does dolly have to sleep with to get a nom ?

[The Coon Dog]

I though Ash Smith played a terrific game for the Eagles on Friday night & he too could consider himself stiff not to have been awarded this week.

[Drunken Bum]

The nominations procedure is ridiculous and is purely because of sponsorship of course, the almighty $
If you play well enough to receive a nomination you should get a nomination regardless of whether 15 players got one that same week or 1 did. So there will be rounds where people don't receive nominations, who friggen cares? (apart from the sponsors)
only nominate players who have had a pretty/really good game early in the season and then later in the season consistency can be rewarded as well. There is no reason why 5 players can't/shouldn't be nominated in the one week if they deserve it, just like someone shouldn't get handed a nomination just because they had an ok game while all the other rookies were crap that round.


There is so much i hate about the AFL these days :/

[Sockeye Salmon]

It helps if you play well later in the season when a lot of players have already received one.

If Libba was playing now as he was early in the season he would be nominated no problem.

[Rocco Jones]

It helps if you play well later in the season when a lot of players have already received one.

If Libba was playing now as he was early in the season he would be nominated no problem.

Totally agree.

It would be great to see Liam Jones get a nomination.

[Doc26]

Selection criteria aside, I'm comfortable with Jake Batchelor's nomination this week. He's been pretty solid for the Tiger's down back for all of 2011, a gig that few would envy with their defence. If he was in Bulldog colours I'd be pretty miffed by now if he wasn't up there for a nomination. A few more games under his belt and holding his performance level will see young Dahlhaus get a nod pretty soon.

[ledge]

Selection criteria aside, I'm comfortable with Jake Batchelor's nomination this week. He's been pretty solid for the Tiger's down back for all of 2011, a gig that few would envy with their defence. If he was in Bulldog colours I'd be pretty miffed by now if he wasn't up there for a nomination. A few more games under his belt and holding his performance level will see young Dahlhaus get a nod pretty soon.

I know a few tigers supporters who dont think much of Batchelor at all.

[AndrewP6]

Like much of their decision-making, I've got no idea how the RS is nominated or awarded, but at the same time, I'm not that fussed. Nor, IMO, should the club be - we've got games to win.

[LostDoggy]

Like much of their decision-making, I've got no idea how the RS is nominated or awarded, but at the same time, I'm not that fussed. Nor, IMO, should the club be - we've got games to win.

That's all well and good and I'm sure if you asked Dahlhaus he'd claim not to care. He might even pull out the “Brownlow Quote”, you know: “Oh, it'd be nice of course, it's an honour, but we're all about flags here at <insert team name>”

Fact is, these guys make a living from their profile as much as their footballing ability and it's not fair to the bloke that he's overlooked because he plays for the Dogs.

It's also for the fans —*!fans want to see their stars and fave players win these things, much like the Brownlow.

[Murphy'sLore]

Dolly may not have been nominated, but he is certainly getting talked about a lot this week.

[soupman]

That's all well and good and I'm sure if you asked Dahlhaus he'd claim not to care. He might even pull out the “Brownlow Quote”, you know: “Oh, it'd be nice of course, it's an honour, but we're all about flags here at <insert team name>”

Fact is, these guys make a living from their profile as much as their footballing ability and it's not fair to the bloke that he's overlooked because he plays for the Dogs.
It's also for the fans —*!fans want to see their stars and fave players win these things, much like the Brownlow.

Plus I'm pretty sure they get some cash or a nice TV for winning it. I'd be quite happy to claim that prize.

[AndrewP6]

That's all well and good and I'm sure if you asked Dahlhaus he'd claim not to care. He might even pull out the “Brownlow Quote”, you know: “Oh, it'd be nice of course, it's an honour, but we're all about flags here at <insert team name>”

Fact is, these guys make a living from their profile as much as their footballing ability and it's not fair to the bloke that he's overlooked because he plays for the Dogs.

It's also for the fans —*!fans want to see their stars and fave players win these things, much like the Brownlow.

Fair enough, I just don't think it's that important.

[Doc26]

I know a few tigers supporters who dont think much of Batchelor at all.

Ledge, they're a fickle bunch this lot. If they're not cutting up their memberships they're dumping shit on the Club's doorstep.
I'd be happy to make another McMahon / Ward type trade with that crazy mob anytime.

[ledge]

Ledge, they're a fickle bunch this lot. If they're not cutting up their memberships they're dumping shit on the Club's doorstep.
I'd be happy to make another McMahon / Ward type trade with that crazy mob anytime.

Another load of poo coming their way after today, Swallow played well for GC today.

[Rocco Jones]

Gaff and Prestia putting in quality performances yesterday, they will take some beating.

[ledge]

Might be Lukes last chance today, how about Hooper?

[Rocco Jones]

Might be Lukes last chance today, how about Hooper?

Why is it Luke's last chance?

[ledge]

Why is it Luke's last chance?

If the club doesnt have another LTI by Thursday Luke goes back on the rookie list.

[jazzadogs]

If the club doesnt have another LTI by Thursday Luke goes back on the rookie list.
90% sure that we are allowed to promote a rookie at the halfway mark of the season even if there is no-one on the LTI.

Where did you hear that he has to go back?

[ledge]

90% sure that we are allowed to promote a rookie at the halfway mark of the season even if there is no-one on the LTI.

Where did you hear that he has to go back?

We did Barlow..

[chef]

If the club doesnt have another LTI by Thursday Luke goes back on the rookie list.

Rumour is Moles will go onto it(LTIL) because on his shoulder.

[ledge]

I feel sorry for Moles he has been pretty good when he has got a game.

[LostDoggy]

I feel sorry for Moles he has been pretty good when he has got a game.

It'll be better for him to spend the rest of the year getting himself right.

[The Coon Dog]

Gold Coast's Trent McKenzie becomes the 4th Sun nominated this year after his round 17 nomination. Of the 4 GC nominations 3 of them were pre listed by the Suns & the 4th, Swallow was taken with pick 1, meaning all 4 were unable to be drafted by any other club.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009

[Happy Days]

McKenzie is a great prospect, with an even better kick, but he had a shocker on the weekend, trying to slot goals from 60 every chance he got rather than spot up team mates.

Clearly deserved the nod on consistency, but the timing isn't great.

[Rocco Jones]

McKenzie is a great prospect, with an even better kick, but he had a shocker on the weekend, trying to slot goals from 60 every chance he got rather than spot up team mates.

Clearly deserved the nod on consistency, but the timing isn't great.

I just don't get it. As I've mentioned here, I'm a big fan of McKenzie but why this week? He got a fair bit of it but as you mention, he wasted it. Prestia and Gaff were both very good IMO.

It's confusing. Some weeks they go with the best performance of the week and in others they go with performances over a few weeks. There seems to be no actual method to it.

[Rocco Jones]

Christensen looks like he has it in the bag already at HT but hey what do I know about the Rising Star?

[azabob]

Christensen looks like he has it in the bag already at HT but hey what do I know about the Rising Star?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Christensen get brownlow votes before he gets a nomination.

[The Coon Dog]

Geelong's Allen Christensen is the round 18 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND

[The Coon Dog]

How the Rising Star is picked

THE AFL has admitted that not all games are necessarily viewed before a Rising Star nomination is selected each week.

The weekly Rising Star award nominations have raised eyebrows in recently, with Cat Allen Christensen unrewarded for a 25-possession, two-goal game against Brisbane in Round 17.

Christensen was recognised this week after notching up a further swag of possessions and a pair of goals against Richmond.

With only six rounds to go, young talent including Andrew Gaff, Tom Liberatore, Luke Dahlhaus, Nathan Vardy, Michael Hibberd, Alex Johnson, Ashley Smith, Liam Jones and Tom Lynch are yet to be nominated, and therefore not yet eligible to be crowned this year's Rising Star.

Article in full... (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-the-rising-star-is-picked/story-e6frf9io-1226102502472)

[Doc26]

AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson said national talent manager Kevin Sheehan took sole responsibility for nominating a Rising Star each week.

Asked on 3AW if Sheehan had watched all eight games in time for the Monday morning meeting, Anderson said: “I don't know if he's watched all eight, how he keeps track of their performances, but he does (keep track).

“Not necessarily (that he would have to watch all eight games), he might talk to people whose opinion he respects, he looks at the stats, he speaks to the clubs.

“No one knows the young and emerging talent in the competition as well as Kevin Sheehan, to my knowledge.”


Anderson at times can come across as a complete numbat.

This is a farcical setup for a billion dollar industry that is promoted as an official AFL award with big corporate backing behind it.
What, so Kevin Sheehan has become his own AFL endorsed autonomous collective ?

Call it the Kevin Sheehan Award then.

btw Just to be a tad cynical but at last count that makes it 3 Geelong nominations so far this year, 4 if you include Jack Steven from the Falcons.

[Jasper]

This is a farcical setup for a billion dollar industry that is promoted as an official AFL award with big corporate backing behind it.
What, so Kevin Sheehan has become his own AFL endorsed autonomous collective ?

Call it the Kevin Sheehan Award then.

btw Just to be a tad cynical but at last count that makes it 3 Geelong nominations so far this year, 4 if you include Jack Steven from the Falcons.

The league has 24 hours after the completion of each round to nominate each week.
How many people would you recommend be involved?
There is no prize for being nominated other than an invite to a luncheon at the end of the year and a round of media interviews.

Clearly a flawed system and seemingly subject to lobbying the individual responsible, but what's the alternative?

[bornadog]

The league has 24 hours after the completion of each round to nominate each week.
How many people would you recommend be involved?
There is no prize for being nominated other than an invite to a luncheon at the end of the year and a round of media interviews.

Clearly a flawed system and seemingly subject to lobbying the individual responsible, but what's the alternative?

How about an official at every match and then they get together for a quick discussion and pick a player. But to have someone not even see a player play and base it on stats is a joke.

[Doc26]

The league has 24 hours after the completion of each round to nominate each week.
How many people would you recommend be involved?There is no prize for being nominated other than an invite to a luncheon at the end of the year and a round of media interviews.

Clearly a flawed system and seemingly subject to lobbying the individual responsible, but what's the alternative?

Doesn't sound like it's the League, whoever that may be, it reads that it is Kevin Sheehan with sole responsibility.

As to your second question. More than one. Any element of bias or perceived bias needs to be removed.

There is certainly NO prospect of a prize for not being nominated.

[1eyedog]

Geelong's Allen Christensen is the round 18 NAB Rising Star nominee.

2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND

Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.

The most notable thing for me is that only 3 of the top 10 (or 4 of the top 15) gave been given the gong.

[ledge]

I am backing Libber this week.

[Mantis]

Gee Hawthorn have done well out of that with picks 47 and 75.

They were drafted in 2008... they shouldn't be eligible given that they have had 3 pre-seasons in the AFL system.

The whole competition is a joke.... made even more so by todays article.

[ledge]

They were drafted in 2008... they shouldn't be eligible given that they have had 3 pre-seasons in the AFL system.

The whole competition is a joke.... made even more so by todays article.

Completely agree Mantis after 3 preseasons you should be getting a game or off the list by then anyway.
Rising star I would have thought at least a few good games in your first season.

I had respect for Kevin over the years but now I am not sure where he gets the "god" title on young guns after seeing whats gone on this year.
Must admit I am sick of hearing in every carnival the same bland comments from him every year.

[Hotdog60]

They could have the club presidents or proxy's give votes on the opposition young players at the games they attend and then tally them up at the end of the year like a junior brownlow.

[azabob]

If Kevin Sheehan is as good as spotting talent why hasn't a club hired him?

[The Coon Dog]

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[Jasper]

They could have the club presidents or proxy's give votes on the opposition young players at the games they attend and then tally them up at the end of the year like a junior brownlow.

Definitely prefer Jeff Kennett & Greg Westaway giving votes than Kevin Sheehan............

[soupman]

Could they potentially do it based on the coaches votes? The coaches each give a 5,4,3,2,1 each week don't they? Could they give the rising star nomination to the highest polling player for the week that meets the eligibility criteria? That would mean it would go to the most influential rising star of the week. Again it would mean some players miss out, but it would be more reflective of their impact on the match.

[Greystache]

Could they potentially do it based on the coaches votes? The coaches each give a 5,4,3,2,1 each week don't they? Could they give the rising star nomination to the highest polling player for the week that meets the eligibility criteria? That would mean it would go to the most influential rising star of the week. Again it would mean some players miss out, but it would be more reflective of their impact on the match.

It's a good idea Soupa, I guess the question is what is the fall back plan should no eligible player receive a vote in a particular week (which I'd imagine would happen reasonably regularly)?

[soupman]

It's a good idea Soupa, I guess the question is what is the fall back plan should no eligible player receive a vote in a particular week (which I'd imagine would happen reasonably regularly)?

That is an obvious flaw and my only solution is in the event that no eligible player records any votes for the round that weeks nomination goes to the next best performing elgibile player based on their efforts prior to that round. So say no one gets any votes in round 3, it would go to the player who has gotten the most votes from rounds 1 and 2, thus doing the whole "rewarding him for consistency" thing.

Another flaw is inequal matches. ie. In a close game there might be roughly half the votes from each coach (so 15/30 all up) allocated to each team. ie. there might be an equal spread of votes given to the two teams because thewy both played well and both had good players. However in a blowout 20-25 of the 30 votes might go to just one team, which could inflate a young players good performance in a blowout over a young players good performance in a close match, when the latter may be more worthy of the nomination.

And finally in my argument against myself there is also the issue that there will be players who will have the "votes" to earn the nomination for multiple weeks, so do you nominate them 2, 3, or 4 times or once nominated are theu struck from the pool.

[LostDoggy]

The Gromit has to be a chance this week!

[Sockeye Salmon]

The Gromit has to be a chance this week!

I'd say Gaff has him covered

[LostDoggy]

I'd say Gaff has him covered

Geez howd I forget about him :/ 31 Disposals (87% eff.) and 2 goals.

[The Coon Dog]

I'd say Gaff has him covered

Spot on SS. West Coast's Andrew Gaff is the Round 19 NAB Rising Star Nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND

[Sedat]

I'd say Gaff has him covered
As did Fasolo, who has been good for a few weeks now.

Scott Clayton will be nervously shuffling in his chair watching Gaff and Heppell tearing it up at senior level already. Super early days but he'd be hoping like hell that Sam Day, Harley Bennell and Josh Caddy start to improve rapidly in the next couple of seasons, as Gaff and Heppell (and Swallow) look every bit the standouts of last year's crop. Richmond selecting Conca ahead of Heppell is also a cause for concern at this early stage. Polec was the only other non GC selection before Heppell and he looked a very smooth mover before getting injured this season.

[LostDoggy]

As did Fasolo, who has been good for a few weeks now.

Scott Clayton will be nervously shuffling in his chair watching Gaff and Heppell tearing it up at senior level already. Super early days but he'd be hoping like hell that Sam Day, Harley Bennell and Josh Caddy start to improve rapidly in the next couple of seasons, as Gaff and Heppell (and Swallow) look every bit the standouts of last year's crop. Richmond selecting Conca ahead of Heppell is also a cause for concern at this early stage. Polec was the only other non GC selection before Heppell and he looked a very smooth mover before getting injured this season.

He was brilliant on Sunday. I went to the game and kept annoying the shit out of nearby Collingwood supporters with “Who the **** is that?”. Kicked a bag of goals and missed out on a nomination. Unlucky that Gaff tore it up same week I guess…

[Happy Days]

As did Fasolo, who has been good for a few weeks now.

Scott Clayton will be nervously shuffling in his chair watching Gaff and Heppell tearing it up at senior level already. Super early days but he'd be hoping like hell that Sam Day, Harley Bennell and Josh Caddy start to improve rapidly in the next couple of seasons, as Gaff and Heppell (and Swallow) look every bit the standouts of last year's crop. Richmond selecting Conca ahead of Heppell is also a cause for concern at this early stage. Polec was the only other non GC selection before Heppell and he looked a very smooth mover before getting injured this season.

Harsh on Day and Caddy; Day was (and is) always going to take some time, and Caddy's out injured.

Bennell would be a concern though.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Gaff is a dead set gun. Going to be a great player in a few years time. Still pretty raw.

Where/when was Fasolo drafted? He's been extremely impressive since making his debut. The fact that Collingwood can still find guns with later picks is a credit to them. I know it's easier to play for such a good side, but he has literally forced his way in.

[Go_Dogs]

Where/when was Fasolo drafted? He's been extremely impressive since making his debut. The fact that Collingwood can still find guns with later picks is a credit to them. I know it's easier to play for such a good side, but he has literally forced his way in.

Pick 45, 2010 ND. Looks to be a great value selection thus far, although I could almost look AFL standard playing in such a good side.

[LostDoggy]

Where/when was Fasolo drafted? He's been extremely impressive since making his debut. The fact that Collingwood can still find guns with later picks is a credit to them. I know it's easier to play for such a good side, but he has literally forced his way in.
You play a game for Collingwood and you are automatically a star no matter how good or bad you are.
I'll never forget when Cam Wight's dad was at Collingwood and the HS backpage headline was 'Pies star injured'

[LostDoggy]

You play a game for Collingwood and you are automatically a star no matter how good or bad you are.
I'll never forget when Cam Wight's dad was at Collingwood and the HS backpage headline was 'Pies star injured'

He kicked a bag of goals in his sixth game. Pretty impressive around the ground too, he moves with a lot of confidence (yes, probably because he's playing in a good team) and definitely looks the goods with both skill AND effort — a good mix.

I agree though that Gaff looks the better long term prospect.

[Rocco Jones]

I didn't watch the game Friday night but judging by the stats and his previous couple of games, Zach Clarke is my tip for the Rising Star nom this week.

[Desipura]

You play a game for Collingwood and you are automatically a star no matter how good or bad you are.
I'll never forget when Cam Wight's dad was at Collingwood and the HS backpage headline was 'Pies star injured'

Are you that old? I thought you were in your 20s

[ledge]

The way they pick them each week I wouldnt be surprised to see Libber get chosen this week.

[The Coon Dog]

Rocco, you are spot on, Zac Clarke from Fremantle is the round 20 NAB Rising Star nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND
20. Zac Clarke - Fremantle (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 37 - 2008ND

[bornadog]

A couple in a row for ex Oakleigh charges players, both stuck living in WA

[Mantis]

A couple in a row for ex Oakleigh charges players, both stuck living in WA

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Greystache]

So there's 4 games left in the season and we still have 3 players yet to be nominated that deserve to be. At least we're on free to air this week, so the "panel" might actually see us play. :rolleyes:

[bornadog]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Its a long way from home.

[The Coon Dog]

Luke Dahlhaus becomes the first Western Bulldog player this season to be nominated for the NAB Rising Star after his round 21 effort.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND
20. Zac Clarke - Fremantle (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 37 - 2008ND
21. Luke Dahlhaus - Western Bulldogs (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 22 - 2010 RD

[chef]

:)About time.

[LostDoggy]

Nice, good work Lukey. Definitely deserves it.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Super stuff for the surprise packet - i look forward to the punting on when he cuts the hair

[LostDoggy]

Awesome news this morning, made my day. The little fella deserves it.

[Greystache]

Good to see Kevin "shafter" Sheehan managed to watch one of our games before the season ended. :rolleyes:

[the banker]

yeh!

[LostDoggy]

Dolllllllllhouse!

[choconmientay]

Well done young men. I am really happy for him :)

[Bulldog4life]

Congratulations Luke. A real spark and energy about this kid. Shouldn't that be pick 22 Rookie List?

[LostDoggy]

When's the last time a player won a nomination in their first year, fresh from the rookie draft of the year before?

[KT31]

Great stuff, well done Luke.

[LostDoggy]

Love to see a video of when he found out!
So happy for him.

[Murphy'sLore]

Yay! Did a fist pump in the car this morning.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Well deserved!

[Go_Dogs]

Big congratulations to Dahl! Well deserved nomination.

[anfo27]

All I can say is its about bloody time. He should have been nominated ages ago the kids a star.

[Daughter of the West]

Yay!!! Well done Luke and thoroughly deserved. Congratulations!

[Rocco Jones]

Go King Tutt!!

[bornadog]

Go King Tutt!!

Can he get one in his first game

[KT31]

Has any side backed a nomination up the following week ?
Have there been any other standouts this week, we are only playing Port ?

[azabob]

Go King Tutt!!

DJ running over the footy cost him a shot at his 5th. Mind you he also mucked up on himself earlier that quarter.

[Rocco Jones]

Has any side backed a nomination up the following week ?
Have there been any other standouts this week, we are only playing Port ?

I'd say Fasolo was the leader before this game. He had 19 touches and 2 goals last night. Come on Tutty!

[ledge]

If Butcher qualifies he will win this week.

[Rocco Jones]

If Butcher qualifies he will win this week.

Not sure about that. There are a few options IMO.

If they want to go down the consistency route they have Fasolo (19p, 2g) or Libba (27p, 6t)

Tutt had 26 possessions and kicked 4 goals and Butcher had 6 goals from 6 possessions. Tutt was definitely better IMO. He got more of it, used it really well but more importantly, he was the star player in the only 15 minutes that really mattered.

[ledge]

Not sure about that. There are a few options IMO.

If they want to go down the consistency route they have Fasolo (19p, 2g) or Libba (27p, 6t)

Tutt had 26 possessions and kicked 4 goals and Butcher had 6 goals from 6 possessions. Tutt was definitely better IMO. He got more of it, used it really well but more importantly, he was the star player in the only 15 minutes that really mattered.

Yes your right I just looked at the figures and even checked out supercoach, Tutt should win this week.
His first game would have to be in amongst the best first games ever played, interesting to see if the media notice.
If it was Riewoldt in his 127th game they would be saying what a star he is.

[Mantis]

If it was Riewoldt in his 127th game they would be saying what a star he is.

But Riewoldt is a star so what's your point?

[ledge]

My point was its who the media choose, Listening to the commentators they went off Tutt and Butcher sounded like he was heaps better on the day by the end of the game.

Is Tutt going to get the credit he deserves for this game?
Riewoldt could have 30 bad games and one good one and the press are all over what a champ he is.
Some players are favourites, will Tutt be one,?
Did you catch Macavaney I think it was said it then realised what he said, oh if Tutt had blonde hair and was 6 foot he would be a champ now...then back peddled oh im not saying he isnt a good looking kid etc etc.

[Mitcha]

Did you catch Macavaney I think it was said it then realised what he said, oh if Tutt had blonde hair and was 6 foot he would be a champ now...then back peddled oh im not saying he isnt a good looking kid etc etc.
I for one think that Bruce has some issues!!!

[LostDoggy]

My point was its who the media choose, Listening to the commentators they went off Tutt and Butcher sounded like he was heaps better on the day by the end of the game.

Is Tutt going to get the credit he deserves for this game?
Riewoldt could have 30 bad games and one good one and the press are all over what a champ he is.
Some players are favourites, will Tutt be one,?
Did you catch Macavaney I think it was said it then realised what he said, oh if Tutt had blonde hair and was 6 foot he would be a champ now...then back peddled oh im not saying he isnt a good looking kid etc etc.

Very sorry and all due respect to you, but could you please rephrase? I don't quite understand what you mean.

[AndrewP6]

Very sorry and all due respect to you, but could you please rephrase? I don't quite understand what you mean.

That happens a lot with Bruce...

[LostDoggy]

That happens a lot with Bruce...

He is an absolute tool. I mute the TV, just can't handle the shit he spews. “You just really feel like <insert losing team name> have to kick the next goal.” Oh really, Bruce? :D

[Doc26]

Has any side backed a nomination up the following week ?
Have there been any other standouts this week, we are only playing Port ?


I'd say Fasolo was the leader before this game. He had 19 touches and 2 goals last night. Come on Tutty!

I was leading more towards Isaac Smith this week getting the nod.

[Mantis]

I was leading more towards Isaac Smith this week getting the nod.

He isn't eligible.

I am hoping Libba gets it this week.

[Doc26]

He isn't eligible.

I am hoping Libba gets it this week.

Thanks Mantis - Didn't realise he had hit 22 at the start of the season, he misses out by a year and a bit. It does makes Shuey's eligibility this year a bit odd considering he was drafted back in the 08 draft.

[LostDoggy]

Fassulo will get it,cos the pies fans will cry if doesn't.

[The Coon Dog]

Collingwood's Alex Fasolo is the round 22 NAB Rising Star Nominee.

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND
20. Zac Clarke - Fremantle (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 37 - 2008ND
21. Luke Dahlhaus - Western Bulldogs (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 22 - 2010 RD
22. Alex Fasolo - Collingwood (East Fremantle) - Pick 45 - 2010ND

[bornadog]

Fassulo will get cos the pies fans will cry if doesn't.

Spot on Chops.

[LostDoggy]

Spot on Chops.

It was deserved. Can't fault that one.

[Greystache]

Nowhere near as deserved as Libba. If the criteria was an outstanding game then it should be Tutt, if it was consistency it should've been Libba. Clearly Sheehan just didn't watch our game this week.

[bornadog]

It was deserved. Can't fault that one.

Why? I know they base it on a few games, but why hasn't Libba got a nomination. He has racked up some big possessions this season and had a very good game on Sunday with 27 disposals, 6 tackles.

If you compare the two players so far this season:

* Libba average disposals 18.4 versus 12.4
* Tackles 5.1 to 2.9
* Contested possession, 11.0 to 6.4
* Clearances 2.9 to .9

The only area Fasolo beats Libba on is goals, 1.4 to .3, but Libba beats him on goal assists, ie .8 to .4.

Its all a bloody joke and as Chops says Collingwood fans would sook if they didn't give it to him.

edit: Sorry Stache didn't see your post agreeing.

[LostDoggy]

Every single club's fan forums would be putting forth their young guns and asking the same thing. Fasolo deserves a nomination. I'm not saying he deserves it more than Libba, and it's a travesty that Libba doesn't have one, but the real problem is in the selection process, not the selection. There should be a panel to pick the RS, and there should be flexibility to allow more than one pick each round.

[Go_Dogs]

Nowhere near as deserved as Libba. If the criteria was an outstanding game then it should be Tutt, if it was consistency it should've been Libba. Clearly Sheehan just didn't watch our game this week.

Agreed.

IMO Libba would be a top 5 finisher in this award, comfortably. He plays a much tougher, inside role than a lot of his contemporaries nominated thus far.

[comrade]

Let's all just be happy that we have a gun inside mid to watch for the next 10 years. Fasalo may or may not become a gun. Libba is a lock.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Nowhere near as deserved as Libba. If the criteria was an outstanding game then it should be Tutt, if it was consistency it should've been Libba. Clearly Sheehan just didn't watch our game this week.

This and what Chops said.

The fact that Libba hasn't got a nomination is a serious joke.

[chef]

Let's all just be happy that we have a gun inside mid to watch for the next 10 years. Fasalo may or may not become a gun. Libba is a lock.

This.

[Rocco Jones]

How about Liam Jones for the nomination this round?

[ledge]

The way Dahl has gone since he came in, might be a chance to win it.

[Greystache]

How about Liam Jones for the nomination this round?

I still think Libba is well overdue, he should go close to finishing top 3.

[Mantis]

The way Dahl has gone since he came in, might be a chance to win it.

Wanna bet?

I can't see him getting a single vote.

[Doc26]

The way Dahl has gone since he came in, might be a chance to win it.

Ledge, surely this is tongue in cheek. Without much of a thought there would have to be 5+ in front of him with Heppell going close to winning the Crichton medal let alone walking away with the Rising Star.

[ledge]

Ledge, surely this is tongue in cheek. Without much of a thought there would have to be 5+ in front of him with Heppell going close to winning the Crichton medal let alone walking away with the Rising Star.

Remember its one person who chooses them each week and admits he doesnt see some of the games, anythings possible.

[Greystache]

Remember its one person who chooses them each week and admits he doesnt see some of the games, anythings possible.

That's how nominations are chosen, but a panel votes on the winner. Another reason why the process is rediculous.

[ledge]

The whole things a joke

[Sedat]

The whole things a joke
You want a joke? Sam Blease is this week's nomination. Under the form longevity criteria, Libba would be a lock, but surely Gunston and Butcher had better games this round.

[LostDoggy]

Butcher will probably get it this week.

[Mantis]

Butcher will probably get it this week.

As per Sedat's post Sam Blease is this weeks nomination.

[Greystache]

This award is worth less and less by the week.

[comrade]

Sam Blease has a nom and Libba goes without.

AFL = epic fail.

[Rocco Jones]

OK, this is officially a joke now.

[Go_Dogs]

This award is worth less and less by the week.

Yep, mind-boggling.

[The Coon Dog]

Sam Blease is the NAB Rising Star nominee for round 23, so your mail was spot on Sedat!

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2011 Rising Stars

1. Dyson Heppell - Essendon (Gippsland Power) - Pick 8 - 2010ND
2. Luke Shuey - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 18 - 2008ND
3. Mitch Duncan - Geelong (East Perth) - Pick 28 - 2009ND
4. Jasper Pittard - Port Adelaide (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 16 - 2009 ND
5. Brandon Matera - Gold Coast (South Fremantle) - GCDC -2010
6. Jack Darling - West Coast (West Perth) - Pick 26 - 2010ND
7. Zac Smith - Gold Coast (Rockhampton) - GCDC - 2009
8. Shane Savage - Hawthorn (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 75 - 2008ND
9. Reece Conca - Richmond (Perth) - Pick 6 - 2010ND
10. Jack Steven - St.Kilda (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 42 - 2007ND
11. Jordan Gysberts - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 11 - 2009ND
12. Sam Reid - Sydney (Murray Bushrangers) - Pick 38 - 2009ND
13. Daniel Menzel - Geelong (Central Districts) - Pick 17 - 2009ND
14. David Swallow - Gold Coast (East Fremantle) - Pick 1 - 2010ND
15. Luke Breust - Hawthorn (NSW/ACT Rams) - Pick 47 - 2008 RD
16. Jake Batchelor - Richmond (Dandenong Stingrays) - Pick 30 - 2010ND
17. Trent McKenzie - Gold Coast (Western Jets) - GCDC 2009
18. Allen Christensen - Geelong - (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 40 - 2009ND
19. Andrew Gaff - West Coast (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 4 - 2010ND
20. Zac Clarke - Fremantle (Oakleigh Chargers) - Pick 37 - 2008ND
21. Luke Dahlhaus - Western Bulldogs (Geelong Falcons) - Pick 22 - 2010 RD
22. Alex Fasolo - Collingwood (East Fremantle) - Pick 45 - 2010ND
23. Sam Blease - Melbourne (Eastern Ranges) - Pick 17 - 2008ND

[comrade]

As a late rookie pick from 2010, Dahl is the biggest steal of all the names on that list.

[Mantis]

So at least one of Jones & Libba won't get nominated... That's crap!!

[Bulldog Revolution]

So at least one of Jones & Libba won't get nominated... That's crap!!

If it motivates either of them over the summer it could be a good thing

However, Jones along with Darling and Reid has been the most impressive of the key position players

And Libba just flies under the radar releasing the ball out to others

[Mofra]

The way Dahl has gone since he came in, might be a chance to win it.
Not from a high profile club, and hasn't played a full year. I don't think he's in the running at all.

I'd expect that starting from the rookie list this year, he'd be over the moon to be considered part of our best 22 and probably doesn't give two shits about personal recognition.

[bornadog]

So at least one of Jones & Libba won't get nominated... That's crap!!

Do you think Jones deserves a nomination? He has grabbed a lot of contested marks and kicked the odd goal but I think others are ahead of him for a nomination.

[Mantis]

Do you think Jones deserves a nomination? He has grabbed a lot of contested marks and kicked the odd goal but I think others are ahead of him for a nomination.

Yes I do... which is why I made the comment.

Who is ahead of him who hasn't been nominated?

[bornadog]

Yes I do... which is why I made the comment.

Who is ahead of him who hasn't been nominated?

Jones is averaging less than 10 disposals a game.

Libba should be in there, as you mentioned. Others like Dion Prestia (GC) have had some good games, as well as Ben Jacobs from Port, but unfortunately their teams haven't won too many games so they are overlooked.

[Mantis]

Jones is averaging less than 10 disposals a game.

And?

Boyd had 36 disposals on Saturday, Jones had 14 - who was more effective?

Sam Reid who everyone is going 'ga-ga' over averages just 0.8 a disposal per game more than Jones over the course of the season, but Liam leads him marks (only just) and is much higher up the ranking in contested marks.... I guess Liam hasn't had that one 3 or 4 goal game which would tip him over, but Shifter would probably miss that one anyway.

Anyway like the rest of the awards handed out all the flogs who judge them look at are stats which are becoming more and more irrelevant by the day.



Libba should be in there, as you mentioned. Others like Dion Prestia (GC) have had some good games, as well as Ben Jacobs from Port, but unfortunately their teams haven't won too many games so they are overlooked.

If Matera is there, Prestia should be too.

Jacobs has had a couple of decent games, but I wouldn't have thought he has done enough.

[bornadog]

Well hopefully Libba has a good last game and is given a nomination. I know the award is flawed, but it would be nice for him to be recognized.

[Greystache]

And?

Sam Reid who everyone is going 'ga-ga' over averages just 0.8 a disposal per game more than Jones over the course of the season, but Liam leads him marks (only just) and is much higher up the ranking in contested marks.... I guess Liam hasn't had that one 3 or 4 goal game which would tip him over, but Shifter would probably miss that one anyway.

Anyway like the rest of the awards handed out all the flogs who judge them look at are stats which are becoming more and more irrelevant by the day.

Jack Darling is another who the media is drooling over, he averages 2.5 possessions more per game and has kicked a whopping 2 more goals for the season, in a team that'll finish top 4. Some people are even talking about him winning it.

[Greystache]

Well hopefully Libba has a good last game and is given a nomination. I know the award is flawed, but it would be nice for him to be recognized.

Blease got nominated for 28 disposals this week in his 4th game, Libba got 27 last week after a consistent season, I wouldn't hold your breath.

[LostDoggy]

Jones is averaging less than 10 disposals a game.

Libba should be in there, as you mentioned. Others like Dion Prestia (GC) have had some good games, as well as Ben Jacobs from Port, but unfortunately their teams haven't won too many games so they are overlooked.

GC has quite a few nominees -- do you think they have too few? I guess they have the most young players so are odds on to nab a couple, but is 4 or so overs?

[Grantysghost]

Blease got nominated for 28 disposals this week in his 4th game, Libba got 27 last week after a consistent season, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Libba has played 15 games averaging 19 disposals a game including 28 disposals and 10 tackles against Brisbane early in the year, Blease has played 4 averaging 17 disposals highest being v GC where he was nominated on the weekend....

That just dont make sense!

[mjp]

Jack Darling is another who the media is drooling over, he averages 2.5 possessions more per game and has kicked a whopping 2 more goals for the season, in a team that'll finish top 4. Some people are even talking about him winning it.

I think the award should go to Darling. To me the only real contender is Swallow...both played key roles from 1st game to last.

Heppell? Fine - but much easier to play on a flank than at CHF or as an inside mid.

I think Liber and Jones both deserve nominations, but don't really care that they haven't got them...if Luke Shuey is eligible in his 3rd year (basically because he couldn't get a game in the first two) then so should Chris Yarren and Jackson Trengrove who have had much better seasons...

As an aside, the 2008 draft was crap with a capital 'C'.

[Rocco Jones]

I think Jones definitely deserves a nomination he wouldn't go close to getting one considering Kevin Sheahan or however picks it just looks in the newspaper to see the stats for most games.

The biggest issue I have with the award is that it doesn't follow it's name/purpose. It's the 'Rising Star'. I think it should be awarded to the most promising player. Instead I believe it is more like the 'Best player under 21 and 10 games' award.

Jones is a young KP forward who doesn't rack up stats but he shows wonderful signs in the areas that matter. Liam doesn't get 20 easy touches or kick 3-4 goals against Port but is 6th in the league for total contested marks this season (only 3 off 3rd and 5 off 2nd).

This is seriously something wrong with the 'Rising Star' award when a kid who has the 6th highest amount of contested marks in the league not only doesn't get a Rising Star nom but probably didn't even get close to it.

The Brownlow is the award for mids and the Rising Star is the award for flankers/outside runners.

[Sedat]

According to Swans fans, Alex Johnson has been holding down CHB for most of the season and has rarely been beaten. He would also be nowhere near a nomination due to not being an outside running mid or a flanker.

[Go_Dogs]

As an aside, the 2008 draft was crap with a capital 'C'.

Really?

Watts, Naitanui, Hill, Hartlett, Hurley, Yarran, Rich, Vickery, Ziebell, Davis, Sidebottom Shuey, Suban, Beams, Hannebery, Robinson, Anthony, Sloane, and Savage. (Not to mention future superstars Cordy, Roughead and Jones :D )

That's 19 blokes who should all eventually be (some perhaps aren't far off) solid or better players. I'd say it's about on par with most drafts thus far, with potentially a pretty big list of elite, top end players.

[Rocco Jones]

According to Swans fans, Alex Johnson has been holding down CHB for most of the season and has rarely been beaten. He would also be nowhere near a nomination due to not being an outside running mid or a flanker.

Yep, it's the worst thing about the Rising Star. I mentioned Jones being 6th overall for contested marks. He also has missed two games, with only 2 players ahead of him averaging more contested marks per game. Along with Sam Reid, he is surrounded by mature bodies on the list. It's crazy, crazy stuff to not have him in the top 24 rising stars of 2011.

Tom Liberatore is even more crazy. A first year player playing as an inside midfielder and STILL getting the stats they normally love.