Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs GCS

[BulldogBelle]

**The thread is up a little bit earlier this week as I'm GC bound**

R 14 - Western Bulldogs vs GCS

There are two awards that you can vote on, once the game is completed.

Voting closes each Tuesday at 8.00pm.

The first one is for the Joe Marmo Medal for the best players on the ground.

There are 4 votes allocated and it's a 4 for the best and of course 3, 2 and 1.

and

The second award is for the Ron James Medal for the best 2 pups on the ground.

2 Votes allocated - 2 being for the best pup and 1 for the runner-up
Remember the cut off age for a pup is 22 as at the 1st of January, 2011.

Pups available for selection -

Ayce Cordy, Jarrad Grant, Josh Hill, Tom Hill, Andrew Hooper, Christian Howard, Liam Jones, Tom Liberatore, James Mulligan, Sam Reid, Jordan Roughead, Zeph Skinner, Jayden Schofield, Jason Tutt, Patrick Veszpremi, Mitch Wallis, Callan Ward, Easton Wood.

Rookie Listed Pups and *mature aged rookie - Luke Dahlhaus, Jason Johannisen, Matthew Panos, Eddie Prato, Ed Barlow, *Mitch Hahn.

Need to know more - The history of the WOOF Player Awards (http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showthread.php?t=8966)

[GVGjr]

Anyone game to put their votes in?

[AndrewP6]

Anyone game to put their votes in?

Haha...I'll bite:

4 Griff - keeps on keeping on.
3 Picken - thought he did a great job sticking with Gablett. A win for us, IMO
2 Dahlhaus - love watching him go - and go, and go, and go.
1 Barlow - Might have proved me wrong, did some good things.

2 Dahlhaus
1 Barlow

[Bumper Bulldogs]

4 - Griff - a perfect time for this young man to step up. What is going to happen when we get Cooney fit?
3 - Gia - thought he kept us in it early.
2 - Barlow - just kept presenting all game.
1 - Dahlhas - this kid is a beauty.

2 - Barlow
1 - Dahlhas

[Rocco Jones]

4- Griff
3- Gia
2- Barlow
1- Coons

2- Barlow
1- Dahlhaus

[bornadog]

Barlow is over 22 years old, you will have to change your vote.

[GVGjr]

Barlow is over 22 years old, you will have to change your vote.

In this instance it's allowed. Given rookies normally only play part of the season they are included.

[bornadog]

4. Griffen
3. Picken
2. Boyd
1. Barlow


2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[Hotdog60]

4 Griffen
3 Picken
2 Cooney
1 Dahlhaus

2 Dahlhaus
1 Barlow

[choconmientay]

4. Griffen
3. Cooney
2. Picken
1. Dahlhaus

2. Dahlhaus
1. Barlow

[LostDoggy]

4. Griffen
3. Gia
2. Picken
1. Dahlhaus

2. Dahlhaus
1. Barlow

[SlimPickens]

4 Griffen
3 Picken
2 Barlow
1 Cooney

2 Barlow
1 Dahlhaus

[Sockeye Salmon]

In this instance it's allowed. Given rookies normally only play part of the season they are included.

So Mitch Hahn qualifies as a pup?

[BulldogBelle]

4 Picken
3 Gia
2 Griff
! Barlow

2 Ward
1 Dal

Bit weird having players over 22 as pups

[Greystache]

4. Griffen
3. Picken
2. Boyd
1. Barlow


2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[The Coon Dog]

4/ Ryan Griffen
3/ Ed Barlow
2/ Daniel Giansiracusa
1/ Adam Cooney

[Go_Dogs]

4/ Ryan Griffen
3/ Ed Barlow
2/ Daniel Giansiracusa
1/ Adam Cooney

The same for me.

And

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[Templeton31]

4 Griff
3 Picken
2 Cooney
1 No. 38 for Gold Coast. He was definitely our 23rd man!

2 Ward
1 Dalhaus

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Marmo

4. Griffen
3. Barlow
2. Cooney
1. Giansiracusa

James

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[LostDoggy]

4 Griff
3 Cooney
2 Barlow
1 Boyd

2 Barlow
1 Dollhouse

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

4 Griffen
3 Picken
2 Barlow
1 Cooney

2 Dahlhaus
1 Ward


4 Picken
3 Gia
2 Griff
! Barlow

2 Ward
1 Dal

Bit weird having players over 22 as pups

Barlow is eligible for pup votes, if you've given him votes in the main one, then you need to give him the appropriate votes in the pups votes as well.

[Happy Days]

4. Griffen
3. Cooney
2. Boyd
1. Barlow

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[LostDoggy]

4 Griffen
3 Picken
2 Barlow
1 Cooney

2 Barlow
1 Dahlhaus

Shame on you slim no love for Gia

4.Griffen
3. Gia
2. Picken... hands up who said to drop him... who else could have done the job
1. Barlow

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[Maddog37]

Griff
Picken
Morris
Barlow



Ward
Grommet.

[LostDoggy]

4. Ryan Griffen
3. Liam Picken
2. Ed Barlow
1. Callan Ward

2. Ed Barlow
1. Callan Ward

[LostDoggy]

Gia ...21 possies ..3 goals.. 9 scoring involvements 90 % efficiency ... 128 supercoach points
4 players better on the day?

[The Underdog]

Anyone game to put their votes in?

Um....

4. Griffen

.......um....um....Barlow, really, is that what it's come to.

OK

3. Picken, good job, but god if you're tagging a guy giving away 6 free kicks doesn't help.
2. Barlow, if only for the fact that he kept hitting guys on the lead even if they often dropped the ball (paging Mr Hall)
1. Cooney, because he looked like Adam Cooney, 23 possies and 3 goals.

I honestly could have stopped at Griffen. That performance doesn't deserve non-existent internet votes for anyone else.

[LostDoggy]

4) Griffen
3) Picken
2) Boyd
1) Dahlhous

2) Dahlhous
1) Barlow

[Dancin' Douggy]

4 Griffen
3 Murphy
2 Ward
1 Boyd

2 Dahlhaus
1 Barlow

[Sedat]

Marmo:

4. Griffen
3. Boyd
2. Picken
1. Barlow

James:

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus (Ward very stiff but Dahl was better in the 1st half when the heat was on)

[Scorlibo]

4. Griffen
3. Cooney
2. Ward
1. Barlow

-3. Picken (honestly, 6 frees against was 4 more than any other player and is not acceptable. He was beaten in almost every contest by Ablett, open your eyes people :rolleyes:)

2. Barlow
1. Schofield

[Greystache]

4. Griffen
3. Cooney
2. Ward
1. Barlow

-3. Picken (honestly, 6 frees against was 4 more than any other player and is not acceptable. He was beaten in almost every contest by Ablett, open your eyes people :rolleyes:)

2. Barlow
1. Schofield

Everyone's wrong but you AGAIN this week. Based on nothing but Supercoach stats, just laughable! :D

[Sockeye Salmon]

4. Griffen
3. Cooney
2. Ward
1. Barlow

-3. Picken (honestly, 6 frees against was 4 more than any other player and is not acceptable. He was beaten in almost every contest by Ablett, open your eyes people :rolleyes:)

2. Barlow
1. Schofield

Gia got more Supercoach points than Ablett and yet you couldn't find a vote for him?

[bornadog]

Everyone's wrong but you AGAIN this week. Based on nothing but Supercoach stats, just laughable! :D


Gia got more Supercoach points than Ablett and yet you couldn't find a vote for him?

I guess everyone has their own opinion:)

[Jasper]

-3. Picken (honestly, 6 frees against was 4 more than any other player and is not acceptable. He was beaten in almost every contest by Ablett, open your eyes people :rolleyes:)


Ablett has been the hottest midfielder in the league for the past month.
Picken played him as close as anyone could have and did a very solid job.
A few frees is a small price to pay for reducing his impact and limiting his room to move

[Ozza]

4. Griffen
3. Gia
2. Barlow
1. Picken

*Special mention to Matty Boyd who pretty much got the ball every single time in the last 10-12 minutes once the Suns drew a little closer. Just gets stacks of the footy every week - more than anyone in the AFL this year - and yet his leadership gets heavily criticised/questioned.

2. Bralow
1. Daulhaus.

2.

[LostDoggy]

4. Griff
3. Gia
2. Barlow
1. Boyd

2. Barlow
1. Dollhouse

[Bulldog4life]

4.Griffen
3. Gia
2. Boyd
1. Barlow

2. Barlow
1. Dahlhaus

[dadsgirl16]

4.Griff
3.Gia
2.Barlow
1.Picken

2.Barlow
1.Ward

[Templeton31]

4 Griff
3 Picken
2 Cooney
1 No. 38 for Gold Coast. He was definitely our 23rd man!

2 Ward
1 Dalhaus

I'm not sure if I owe No 38 an apology but it seems he was the fellow who copped the racial abuse from Sherman. If so then I'd have to say he had a reasonable excuse for being off his game and I wish him all the best for the rest of his career.

[1eyedog]

4. Griffen
3. Gia
2. Ward
1. Cooney

[Scorlibo]

Everyone's wrong but you AGAIN this week. Based on nothing but Supercoach stats, just laughable! :D

Sorry, when did I mention Supercoach rankings? I can find plenty of reasons why Picken was below par on Saturday, it seems to be you who is looking purely at what Ablett did/didn't do as a basis for Picken's game.


Gia got more Supercoach points than Ablett and yet you couldn't find a vote for him?

Am I missing something? I didn't mention Supercoach rankings, and I was assessing Picken's game, not Ablett's. Gia played very well again and would have been next on my list.


Ablett has been the hottest midfielder in the league for the past month.
Picken played him as close as anyone could have and did a very solid job.
A few frees is a small price to pay for reducing his impact and limiting his room to move

By what measure are you suggesting he did a solid job? Having watched the game I know that Picken was beaten in most contests the two were involved in.

[Greystache]

Sorry, when did I mention Supercoach rankings?


If you want to look at it statistically, 121 ranking points vs average of 125.

And



Am I missing something? I didn't mention Supercoach rankings, and I was assessing Picken's game, not Ablett's. Gia played very well again and would have been next on my list.



Ablett's slight (I say slight because really he amassed 121 ranking points in a year where he's averaged 125) decline in influence was not much to do with Picken.


If you're going to take a ridiculous position every week for the sake of being controversial, at least be consistent with it.

That's not to mention all of these references in the past couple of weeks.



Sorry but this is ridiculous, Daniel Cross remains one of our best and most consistent performers.

By Supercoach points (the best unbiased indicator available):

1. M Boyd: 116.1
2. R Griffen: 111.5
3. D Cross: 94.8
4. W Minson: 89.6
5. R Murphy: 87.9
6. B Hudson: 85.7
7. S Higgins: 81.1
8. T Liberatore: 80.7
9. C Ward: 80.6
10. D Giansiracusa: 80.3

This would suggest that Cross is behind only Boyd, Griffen, Murphy and Morris in a list of our best players.

So, you think our fifth best performer has no role to play?



Champion Data's ranking system represents a system with more thought and more effort put into it than perhaps has ever been put into a sporting ranking system, worldwide. It has been quite unfortunately brought into disrepute by its association with the game of Supercoach, but the system remains the finest unbiased ranking system available, this is undeniable.



The rankings measure the influence a player has on the game by their direct contact with the football. They are not perfect, but they are the closest thing to.

I would wager that Hudson and Gilbee have indeed done enough with their influence on the ball to be considered among our best 12 this season in this respect. What the rankings do not do is account for the amount of opportunity each player gets to directly influence the football. Hudson as the ruckman gets a lot of opportunity to influence the movements of the football. Scarlett would get relatively few. Thus, to compare the two, we must compare where they sit among similar players:

Ruckmen to have played over half the season to round 11:

1. D Cox: 126.9
2. A Sandilands: 121.3
3. T Goldstein: 109.9
4. S Mumford: 108.4
5. B Ottens: 106.7
6. M Jamar: 102.0
7. B McEvoy: 96.0
8. M Leuenberger: 90.1
9. Z Smith: 89.8
10. W Minson: 89.7
11. D Brogan: 86.8
12. S Jacobs: 86.6
13. B Hudson: 85.7
[Sample size = 24]

So Hudson sits in the bottom 50% of this group, behind the leading ruckman at 12 clubs (nearly 75%), including, most significantly, our own leading ruckman - Minson.

Now Scarlett:

1. T Chaplin: 92.5
2. H Grundy: 89.4
3. J Gibson: 87.3
4. D Merrett: 86.1
4. S Thompson: 86.1
6. M Scarlett: 85.9

[Sample size = 47]

Thus, Scarlett sits roughly in the top 13% of this defensive group.

You might have noticed that when I posted the ranking data, I included Murphy and Morris above Cross, despite them being below him on the list. This is because I realised that the position they play influences their ranking.



This is not really true, and is definitely an instance of Supercoach bringing these rankings into disrepute, the rankings state that Sam Fisher averages 110.5 points per game. However, St Kilda games so far this season would suggest that he has spent a large portion of time through the midfield, or as an attacking defender and cannot be compared to other defenders in the true sense of the position.

[Scorlibo]

And

If you're going to take a ridiculous position every week for the sake of being controversial, at least be consistent with it.

That's not to mention all of these references in the past couple of weeks.

Every single one of your quotes was from other threads, so I stand by my question, where did I mention Supercoach rankings in this thread? The answer is nowhere. You don't like my stance Greystache, that's fine, but if the only means you have to counteract my argument is to dismiss most of what I've said and focus on the one aspect of my position which garners little respect around these parts, then you're fighting a losing battle.

You might see my position as ridiculous, but I assure you I don't take this position to be controversial.

'All of these references in the last couple of weeks'? Most of what you've quoted comes directly from one thread, directly debating Supercoach rankings, you don't think it's a given that they'll warrant a mention or two? :rolleyes:

In regards to the topic at hand, most people seem to be judging Picken's good game by how many disposals Ablett got, if you think so lowly of Supercoach rankings Greystache then you must surely think disposals at least equally unimportant? From what I can gather from your posts Greystache you think the only means of gauging a player's performance is with your own eyes watching the game, in which case you ought to have noticed the Picken/Ablett battle and noticed that apart from ushering Ablett away from the contest on a few occasions, he allowed Ablett to win most contests around the ball, including giving away 6 free kicks.

Please stop being the Tony Abbott of these forums, and actually provide your own reasoning and opinion instead of solely criticising mine.

[BulldogBelle]

Voting is now closed.