Its done now,who will take over?

[ledge]

Its going to be a guessing game by the press and us, just who are the names available?
Cameron seems to be first up , any others?

[Dogmatic]

Doug Hawkins. lol

[LostDoggy]

Time now for Dimma and his affluent mates to get on the phone to Malthouse

[LostDoggy]

If it is to be Leon, thats okay, but lets load up on assistants.

[G-Mo77]

This next step is the one I fear most.

[LostDoggy]

Leon has 0 premiership experience. No thanks. Even Clarkson was part of one at Port.

[anfo27]

My dream appointment would be Malthouse and if there is any chance at all we should move heaven and earth to get him. I have heard things like he would never come back to the club, maybe some more knowledgable woofers can fill us in as to his bitteness towards our club.
I've also heard we can't afford Malthouse but i would of thought whatever you pay him you would get that back with an increase in membership and sponsorship.

[LostDoggy]

This next step is the one I fear most.

Too right. I don't see any experienced coaches out there available that are better than Eade. A new one is hit or miss. At the very least I see us bottoming out further before any possibility of being a challenger again.

[Desipura]

Other than Malthouse there is no other experienced coach I would like.
Mark Neeld is my tip with a whole restructre of new Assistants joining him.

[ReLoad]

So, here we are, coachless, seeming to stare down the barrel of some bleak times.

So im going to put forward a case under one assumption.

We do not "need" a coach who has won the flag, and here is why:

What does the next 3-4 years hold? I think its fair to say it entails list redevelopment – not a tilt at the flag, the nurturing of young talent, a ruthless negotiator who is not afraid of letting the old move on. Does any of those requirements need a premiership coach to do that?

What we need is someone who is in touch with todays players, who understands what it takes to lead men on and off the field, who has a "new brain" and can adapt and think of inventing new ways of playing our game, someone who doesnt come from within the bulldogs, someone who comes from a culture of success and that "being good is not good enough, that you must be the best"

So to summarise, sure premiership coaching experience is great, but I don’t think it is a must have.

Right now my thinking is that Simon Goodwin would be a great candidate, a very astute thinker, and anyone who has heard him speak know that he is indeed a great motivator of men.
As for Leon Cameron, really, he just doesn’t grab me as a coach, but hey maybe that’s just me.

[lemmon]

Premiership experience would be somewhere near the top of my criteria, a non-bulldogs person would be a preference as well.

[LostDoggy]

Other than Malthouse there is no other experienced coach I would like.
Mark Neeld is my tip with a whole restructre of new Assistants joining him.

Im with you Desi, Neeld has been a very succesful coach in local footy here in Geelong & from all accounts he is very highly thought of by Malthouse. I fear that if we go for Leon we could be making a mistake, I think we need to be looking outside the club, someone from the outside looking in so to speak.

[BulldogBelle]

Doug Hawkins. lol

Here ya go boys, great game, heres a couple of slabs of VB to help with the recovery.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

So, here we are, coachless, seeming to stare down the barrel of some bleak times.

So im going to put forward a case under one assumption.

We do not "need" a coach who has won the flag, and here is why:

What does the next 3-4 years hold? I think its fair to say it entails list redevelopment – not a tilt at the flag, the nurturing of young talent, a ruthless negotiator who is not afraid of letting the old move on. Does any of those requirements need a premiership coach to do that?

What we need is someone who is in touch with todays players, who understands what it takes to lead men on and off the field, who has a "new brain" and can adapt and think of inventing new ways of playing our game, someone who doesnt come from within the bulldogs, someone who comes from a culture of success and that "being good is not good enough, that you must be the best"

So to summarise, sure premiership coaching experience is great, but I don’t think it is a must have.

Right now my thinking is that Simon Goodwin would be a great candidate, a very astute thinker, and anyone who has heard him speak know that he is indeed a great motivator of men.
As for Leon Cameron, really, he just doesn’t grab me as a coach, but hey maybe that’s just me.

THat's all fine, but that's not what the club believed less than 12 months ago. Yet all of a sudden our list has in their eyes gone from challenging for a GF to being a rebuild job?
Yes, I believe a rebuild it needed, but that is not what Smorgon or his pals think, at least publically.
Given they have said a re-fresh as opposed to a rebuild is required, would it not be incongruent to then go and pick a 'cleanskin' coach?

Simon Goodwin only 2 weeks ago publically said he is not ready to take on a Senior Coaches role. I'll take his work on that.

[ReLoad]

THat's all fine, but that's not what the club believed less than 12 months ago. Yet all of a sudden our list has in their eyes gone from challenging for a GF to being a rebuild job?
Yes, I believe a rebuild it needed, but that is not what Smorgon or his pals think, at least publically.
Given they have said a re-fresh as opposed to a rebuild is required, would it not be incongruent to then go and pick a 'cleanskin' coach?

Simon Goodwin only 2 weeks ago publically said he is not ready to take on a Senior Coaches role. I'll take his work on that.

I understand your point of view, but we have often seen it the proverbial "unseen wall" happens and then its time to turn to a new phase.

Simon is not keen on returning to Adelaide, however with the right environment and the ability to not be "under the microscope" to the public like the crows, i think he would think twice. But anyway, even if it is not him, he is the kind of guy that we should be chasing IMHO.

I think its fair to say that with our list we do have to rebuild, we now have the stability of a great TV rights deal with 5 years to get our shiznit together without risking the club, so now is the opportunity.

Whether Smorgo, Garlo or any other O think so, our list is cooked and needs an overhaul.

[Hotdog60]

Bring back Terry Wheeler, he was ahead of his time.:D

[bornadog]

My dream appointment would be Malthouse and if there is any chance at all we should move heaven and earth to get him. I have heard things like he would never come back to the club, maybe some more knowledgable woofers can fill us in as to his bitteness towards our club.
I've also heard we can't afford Malthouse but i would of thought whatever you pay him you would get that back with an increase in membership and sponsorship.

No thank you, never had his heart in the bulldogs previously and walked out when the going got tough. Rocket is a mile better person than Malthouse and would have had 5 premierships if he had the resources and playing group Malthouse has. (maybe exaggerated but I am angry at the moment)

[Hotdog60]

I wonder if German get's Willy up for the VFL GF he is in with a shot?

[BulldogBelle]

Hate to be pessimistic, but...

- We have and probably will continue to spend the least on our football department out of all of the clubs
- Our list has a glut of players who have played <25 games, and another glut of players close to 30 - injuries or burn outs to younger and older players possible
- We also have a professional and demanding board, CEO and president (nothing wrong with that) who wont accept mediocre performances.
- 2 of our superstars (Cooney and Lake) have big injury clouds over them
- Our financial situation, smaller supporter base etc mean that we cant bottom out

Tough assignment!!!

Is Mark Williams under contract at GWS?

Premiership coach. Has coached a club that bears similarities to ours in the way of budgets...

[choconmientay]

/sarcasm on We may entertain Bailey for the next 3 seasons to 'develop' young players in various positions until we have drafted enough talents. We will then get a decent coach ;) to coach for a Premiership.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Is Mark Williams under contract at GWS?

Premiership coach. Has coached a club that bears similarities to ours in the way of budgets...

Good God no!

[Scraggers]

I have been a financial member since 1983 ... If Leon Cameron is appointed as Senior Coach, I will not be renewing my membership.

[ledge]

I have been a financial member since 1983 ... If Leon Cameron is appointed as Senior Coach, I will not be renewing my membership.

Why?
Give me your thoughts.

[EasternWest]

I have been a financial member since 1983 ... If Leon Cameron is appointed as Senior Coach, I will not be renewing my membership.

Now Lisa, I know you're angry right now.... :D

[LostDoggy]

I have been a financial member since 1983 ... If Leon Cameron is appointed as Senior Coach, I will not be renewing my membership.

I've also been a financial member for some time and regardless of who is appointed, I WILL ALWAYS continue to contribute to the club financially. I'm going to assume that you're just angry at the moment?

[bornadog]

Why?
Give me your thoughts.

Ledge he is not up to it. He has never experienced Grand Final day and he still needs more development. Surely we want someone that knows how to prepare for a GF and has coached or been an assistant coach at a club winning games (yeah I know the Hawks are currently winning lots)

[Scraggers]

Why?
Give me your thoughts.

First, I do not understand the decision to get rid of Eade. I have stated publicly that I believed he was the best man for the job ... that aside, appointing an un-tried senior coach sends this club backwards.

Appointing an un-tried senior coach who has not been a part of a leadership team that has tasted that ultimate glory is ludicrous.

I have no ill-feeling towards Leon, in fact, in all my dealings with him, he has be very nice and very approachable ... he is just not the man to lead this club.

I am very angry right now, and I will probably renew my membership regardless.
I was willing to be part of a rebuild under Rocket ... four or five years to taste that ultimate success was worth it. Yes he has been at the club for seven years, and had his chance ... he got close, but injuries, retirements, and deserters hid harder than first thought.

To refresh under an untried coach ... stinks of Rhode.

[G-Mo77]

To refresh under an untried coach ... stinks of Rhode.

I really hope we have learnt from that experience but can't help thinking this is the path we are on right now. :(

[Doc26]

No thank you, never had his heart in the bulldogs previously and walked out when the going got tough. Rocket is a mile better person than Malthouse and would have had 5 premierships if he had the resources and playing group Malthouse has. (maybe exaggerated but I am angry at the moment)

BD, no doubt you are hurting, but having worked alongside Mick at the Dogs through the mid to late eighties this claim is totally unfounded. He was passionate about the Bulldogs and equally passionate to deliver us a long awaited premiership and he still does have a soft spot for us.


Its going to be a guessing game by the press and us, just who are the names available?
Cameron seems to be first up , any others?

The best available coach on the market is Rodney Eade. With 3 preliminary finals in the past 4 seasons, a proven ability to develop a list and a proven tactical specialist on game day he ticks the boxes required GIVEN a strong support structure around him. Without the later it wont matter who we get as head coach.

As Fantasia has dodged a bullet for the time being, watch the Demons pounce and see their 2012 prospects rise significantly.

Talk about a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water after an injury cruelled 2011 coupled with the disruptive pilfering landscape we're stuck in the middle of i.e Harbrow, Ward etc.

[kruder]

The Rhode situation was totally different. It was all about money. He never had any significant creditials and to refer every up and coming coach in the country to him is a joke.

[anfo27]

No thank you, never had his heart in the bulldogs previously and walked out when the going got tough. Rocket is a mile better person than Malthouse and would have had 5 premierships if he had the resources and playing group Malthouse has. (maybe exaggerated but I am angry at the moment)

Thats fine but that was a long time ago and very unique circumstances. Do you know if Mick holds any grudges towards us from those dark days?

[BulldogBelle]

First, I do not understand the decision to get rid of Eade. I have stated publicly that I believed he was the best man for the job ... that aside, appointing an un-tried senior coach sends this club backwards.

Appointing an un-tried senior coach who has not been a part of a leadership team that has tasted that ultimate glory is ludicrous.

I have no ill-feeling towards Leon, in fact, in all my dealings with him, he has be very nice and very approachable ... he is just not the man to lead this club.

I am very angry right now, and I will probably renew my membership regardless.
I was willing to be part of a rebuild under Rocket ... four or five years to taste that ultimate success was worth it. Yes he has been at the club for seven years, and had his chance ... he got close, but injuries, retirements, and deserters hid harder than first thought.

To refresh under an untried coach ... stinks of Rhode.

My thoughts exactly. I wanted a rebuild under Eade. Man, I am so down about this. He loved this club. He would have been a bulldog legend.

[SquirrelGrip]

Bring back Terry Wheeler, he was ahead of his time.:D

Here here!

[the banker]

I would hope we can attract Leigh Matthews to the selection panel. That is one guy who knows what it takes.

Not Paul Roos or Robert Walls.

[the banker]

Would everyone please stop bringing up the Rhode nonsense.

Leave it behind, it's as if you are wishing it on the Club.

The Western Bulldogs make successful decisions, appointing Malthouse, appointing Eade far out weigh the Rhode mistake. Forget it! Move on and think success.

[bornadog]

The Rhode situation was totally different. It was all about money. He never had any significant creditials and to refer every up and coming coach in the country to him is a joke.

Must be a happy day for you.

[Bulldog4life]

My dream appointment would be Malthouse and if there is any chance at all we should move heaven and earth to get him. I have heard things like he would never come back to the club, maybe some more knowledgable woofers can fill us in as to his bitteness towards our club.
I've also heard we can't afford Malthouse but i would of thought whatever you pay him you would get that back with an increase in membership and sponsorship.

In Malthouses 6th season with Collingwood they finished with 5 wins. They kept him on. Took him 10 years to win a premiership with Collingwood. He is not the Messiah people think but has had enormous resources to rely on in his tenure at Collingwood unlike Rocket at our Club. We should have kept Rocket.

[The Coon Dog]

Its probably the wrong thing to say, but right at the moment I couldn't give a stuff about who our coach will be. Still very angry about the decision this morning & the poor effort of David Smorgon in the media attempting to justify it.

[anfo27]

is it a secret cause i'd love to know why after 20 odd years he still is bitter?

[anfo27]

In Malthouses 6th season with Collingwood they finished with 5 wins. They kept him on. Took him 10 years to win a premiership with Collingwood. He is not the Messiah people think but has had enormous resources to rely on in his tenure at Collingwood unlike Rocket at our Club. We should have kept Rocket.

he took them to back to back grand finals before that. Rocket has been great for our club but comparing him to the Malthouse situation a few years back is rubbish. If rocket took us to a grand final he would still be there and a prelim is nowhere near a grand final even if you have 3 of them.
Its not just about the resources that Mick has its what he does with his list, the respect he demands from his players, the integration of the young kids over the last 3-4 to create such a strong list. His depth is 30 odd players deep, some of that has to be because of the way he runs things.

[The Pie Man]

Its probably the wrong thing to say, but right at the moment I couldn't give a stuff about who our coach will be. Still very angry about the decision this morning & the poor effort of David Smorgon in the media attempting to justify it.

Patchy performance in the interview on SEN just before too (though I always get the feeling Frank really doesn't like Smorgon anyway)

Ox mentioned briefly that we'd spoken to Scott Burns.....now I think of Scott Burns and think 'leader' Why don't I get the same vibe from Leon Cameron?

Probably a question for another day, ordinary day for the club and the Clarkson style fairytale doesn't look likely (anyone remember Quartermain announcing his appointment on Ch 10 news then signing off that the Hawks are 'struggling'?)

[Bulldog4life]

he took them to back to back grand finals before that. Rocket has been great for our club but comparing him to the Malthouse situation a few years back is rubbish. If rocket took us to a grand final he would still be there and a prelim is nowhere near a grand final even if you have 3 of them.
Its not just about the resources that Mick has its what he does with his list, the respect he demands from his players, the integration of the young kids over the last 3-4 to create such a strong list. His depth is 30 odd players deep, some of that has to be because of the way he runs things.

You can put any spin on it you want but the fact is it took Malthouse 10 years to win a flag at Collingwood. Rocket has been with us 7 years. I believe that it IS about the resources that coaches have at their disposal. We agree to differ.

[LostDoggy]

I'am bitterly disappointed as well, but in the cold light of day, it is the club I love and support and I will love and respect anyone who plays for or coaches us. Geez I even got to LOVE AKER!, mind you that love has now turned to hate, now he is no longer with us. Thank you Rocket for everything you have done for our club, I thought you should be re signed, but you have not been, so we have to move on, the club is greater than the the individual. I still think with the same resources as he powerhouse clubs Rocke would have won us a premiership or two.

[Dry Rot]

You can put any spin on it you want but the fact is it took Malthouse 10 years to win a flag at Collingwood. Rocket has been with us 7 years. I believe that it IS about the resources that coaches have at their disposal. We agree to differ.

The problem with your argument is that we are in a steep decline which may not bottom for a year or two.

So Eade still wouldn't have one with us if he had a new 3 year contract.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

In Malthouses 6th season with Collingwood they finished with 5 wins. They kept him on. Took him 10 years to win a premiership with Collingwood. He is not the Messiah people think but has had enormous resources to rely on in his tenure at Collingwood unlike Rocket at our Club. We should have kept Rocket.

And there is the difference between them and us. They are able to evaluate their situation with professionalism and if the hard decision is to keep the course with their current coach, they do it.

We're so desperate for success that we are unable to see the forest for the trees. We hit a significant bump in our charted course and the conclusions seems to be 'sack the coach', as if that automatically consitutes the hard decision that will see us resume our course for a Premiership.
Given the relative lack of resources at Eade's disposal I think he has done a valiant job.
I shudder to think what a less credentialled coach will do.

If the club was really serious it would've followed through with a proper evaluation of the whole organisation from top down, instead it appears as if they've just merely papered over the cracks and in the process have probably gotten rid of the wrong person.
I must admit as soon as I heard Fantasia was on the panel overseeing the coaching decision I thought it would end up a Kangaroo court. Fantasia is hardly going to broach issues or problems that would bring into question his role in our current circumstances.

Any attempt at a professional coaching review process, would've identified that it might be a conflict of interest to include Fantasia from being involved in that process, when there just might be a case to be made that he might be part of the problem.

[bornadog]

The problem with your argument is that we are in a steep decline which may not bottom for a year or two.

So Eade still wouldn't have one with us if he had a new 3 year contract.

I don't believe for one minute we are in a steep decline. We have debuted more players than 15 other teams (not GC of course) and we have played each week with a group of around 10 players with less than 50 games yet we beat Carlton who are contenders for a top 4 and should have beaten WestCoast (another top 4 contender) if it wasn't for Razor Ray. A little luck and we could have been in the top eight.

Ok alot of ifs and buts but certainly not on a steep decline.

[anfo27]

You can put any spin on it you want but the fact is it took Malthouse 10 years to win a flag at Collingwood. Rocket has been with us 7 years. I believe that it IS about the resources that coaches have at their disposal. We agree to differ.

We all talk about resources as if its his only downfall. What about his tactics to combat the press and his stubborness to admit that it was half way through this year that admitted to himself that his tactics in beating it was not working? that has nothing to do with resources. A reluctance to drop senior players who are not pulling their weight has nothing to do with resources.

[bornadog]

We all talk about resources as if its his only downfall. What about his tactics to combat the press and his stubborness to admit that it was half way through this year that admitted to himself that his tactics in beating it was not working? that has nothing to do with resources. A reluctance to drop senior players who are not pulling their weight has nothing to do with resources.

We know your a Rocket hater, why don't you stick to the thread topic.

[LostDoggy]

I don't believe for one minute we are in a steep decline. We have debuted more players than 15 other teams (not GC of course) and we have played each week with a group of around 10 players with less than 50 games yet we beat Carlton who are contenders for a top 4 and should have beaten WestCoast (another top 4 contender) if it wasn't for Razor Ray. A little luck and we could have been in the top eight.

Ok alot of ifs and buts but certainly not on a steep decline.

Good post.

Also, take all of Collingwood's defenders from last year out and put in a bunch of players who have played less than 20 games and would anyone still think they're premiership favourites?

[ReLoad]

I must admit as soon as I heard Fantasia was on the panel overseeing the coaching decision I thought it would end up a Kangaroo court. Fantasia is hardly going to broach issues or problems that would bring into question his role in our current circumstances.

Any attempt at a professional coaching review process, would've identified that it might be a conflict of interest to include Fantasia from being involved in that process, when there just might be a case to be made that he might be part of the problem.

I don't get the anti Fantasia stuff, I wouldn't have a clue if he is good or bad, but does someone have some serious proof that he is rotten to the core as someone suggested?

[LostDoggy]

We all talk about resources as if its his only downfall. What about his tactics to combat the press and his stubborness to admit that it was half way through this year that admitted to himself that his tactics in beating it was not working? that has nothing to do with resources. A reluctance to drop senior players who are not pulling their weight has nothing to do with resources.

Go and watch the Press conference and listen to what was said in relation to the half way point of the season

This has already been pointed out to you on another thread yet you still want to serve it up as your evidence as to why Eade should be sacked and held solely resposible for our W/L record this year.

[Rocket Science]

Any attempt at a professional coaching review process, would've identified that it might be a conflict of interest to include Fantasia from being involved in that process, when there just might be a case to be made that he might be part of the problem.

Absolutely. An astute and professional approach to any such fact finding mission must surely dictate Fantasia should've been as subject to the review every bit as much as Eade, not one of the blokes actually conducting it.

[Rance Fan]

I wonder if German get's Willy up for the VFL GF he is in with a shot?
I dont mind the idea, i had thought similarly
Couldnt imagine it happening though

[Dry Rot]

I don't believe for one minute we are in a steep decline. We have debuted more players than 15 other teams (not GC of course) and we have played each week with a group of around 10 players with less than 50 games yet we beat Carlton who are contenders for a top 4 and should have beaten WestCoast (another top 4 contender) if it wasn't for Razor Ray. A little luck and we could have been in the top eight.

Ok alot of ifs and buts but certainly not on a steep decline.

So you think we'll have a good list for next year and beyond?

[bornadog]

So you think we'll have a good list for next year and beyond?

We have the makings of a good list, but like every year we have to delist and trade and recruit to replenish. I don't believe we have a list to make the top 4, but as the kids grow in confidence and experience we will get there.

We have players that will be fantastic for us in the future.

Have a look at these pups:

* Libba
* Dahlhaus
* Jones
* Roughead
* Howard
* Schofield
* Wood

They have all shown something this year and if we can hold on to Ward, this will be a nucleus for a good side.

[anfo27]

We know your a Rocket hater, why don't you stick to the thread topic.

thats rubbish. i'm not a rocket hater, infact I like rocket, i just think his time is up.
.
I'm just answering other posters posts bornadog. I know your not happy with the decision but everyone who is is not automatically a rocket hater

[Sockeye Salmon]

So you think we'll have a good list for next year and beyond?

The list is what it is.

Is Eade the best coach we could have? Absolutely.

[anfo27]

Go and watch the Press conference and listen to what was said in relation to the half way point of the season

This has already been pointed out to you on another thread yet you still want to serve it up as your evidence as to why Eade should be sacked and held solely resposible for our W/L record this year.

never said he was solely responsible and never said get rid of Eade and our problems would be solved. But go ahead and keep making stuff up that i have said.

[kruder]

We know your a Rocket hater, why don't you stick to the thread topic.

It's called an opinion barn dog and for some reason if it differs from yours and some of the long time posters you dont seem to like it!

Hate is a big word.. We are only talking about footy.

[Rocco Jones]

I want either Malthouse or the best rookie we can find + a massive upgrade to our footy department. If we go for the same, cheapo assistant panel and a rookie, we are in massive trouble. Eade was great with limited resources, the best in the business. If we want to go cheap, we have just made a terrible decision.

[DOG GOD]

Im leaning towards Malthouse as well, but cant see it happening. I think it will be a 1st year coach and my candidates would be Neeld, McCartney and Sanderson. All have been involved in premierships in their coaching ranks, and all come from teams that have a GREAT game plan, and plenty of success with it. I dont want Cameron. Dont think we can afford to go down the "old dog player returns" road. We need someone to come in and make the changes needed.

Im shattered Rocket has gone though.

[Rocket Science]

The list is what it is.

Is Eade the best coach we could have? Absolutely.

This.

While assessing prospective candidates who've only served as assistants is fraught, there isn't a name amongst those being bandied about (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/contenders-on-the-coaching-carosel/story-e6frf9jf-1226116677286) who elicits immediate enthusiasm. It's all pie in the sky, untested or underwhelming stuff. And there's at least two other competitors sniffing that list as well.

As a quick hypothetical if you pretend you're charged with landing a coach for another club, and toss Eade's name into that mix, he surely goes to the top of that list, or at worst ranks second to Malthouse, who's not a genuine candidate anyway.

What's more, Eade clearly wanted to remain.

One gathers Smorgon, Garlick and Co. feel they can install someone better credentialed. But who?

Remember, we're not rebuilding we're ahem, "refreshing", inferring we probably want someone with some measure of experience.

Then again, one wonders if the decision to hire a list manager comes at the expense of what we can afford to pay our senior coach, prompting interest in an untested type, with commensurate salary.

[comrade]

Does anyone seriously believe we have a chance of snagging Malthouse? Not going to happen.

We have to roll the dice on an untried coach and hope he's more Chris Scott and less Peter Rhode.

If we get it wrong, we're screwed.

[bornadog]

It's called an opinion barn dog and for some reason if it differs from yours and some of the long time posters you dont seem to like it!

Hate is a big word.. We are only talking about footy.

You are completely wrong about me not liking different opinions to mine. What I don't like is opinions with no reasoning what so ever.
Btw it's bornadog,so please don't try and throw insults

[Mantis]

Does anyone seriously believe we have a chance of snagging Malthouse? Not going to happen.

We have to roll the dice on an untried coach and hope he's more Chris Scott and less Peter Rhode.

If we get it wrong, we're screwed.

We might be screwed regardless.

I posted a while back that I though we were in for some tough times even with Eade at the helm... I had faith he would see us through this period as he has a habit of getting the most out of willing players, but our new coach is really on a hiding to nothing with what really is a completely unbalanced list.

Good luck is all I say... Good luck.

[LostDoggy]

Does anyone seriously believe we have a chance of snagging Malthouse? Not going to happen.



If MM coaches next year, It will one of biggest lies in afl/vfl history. The number of times he has said no and Eddie has said no, I don't see it changing.
Not sure it makes him more appealing if it does happen. There would be many questions on why he would change his mind.

[dogman]

If MM coaches next year, It will one of biggest lies in afl/vfl history. The number of times he has said no and Eddie has said no, I don't see it changing.
Not sure it makes him more appealing if it does happen. There would be many questions on why he would change his mind.


It would be like Bomber Thompson saying he will not coach at essendon last year when he quit at Geelong, and then goes to coach there. Hold on he is at Essendon coaching!

[LostDoggy]

It would be like Bomber Thompson saying he will not coach at essendon last year when he quit at Geelong, and then goes to coach there. Hold on he is at Essendon coaching!

That's big but MM would be bigger. He has said no a lot more.

[LostDoggy]

The one thing that the club needs is winning culture. My preference would be to not have a ex Dogs player as the coach next year. I know that sounds harsh, but just get a different outlook into the team. I think that is what Rocket brought. But if they are looking to the untried, then I'd go for German. Has succeeded with pretty much every coaching role he has taken on. Changes mind sets of clubs and good things seem to follow him.

[LostDoggy]

It would be like Bomber Thompson saying he will not coach at essendon last year when he quit at Geelong, and then goes to coach there. Hold on he is at Essendon coaching!

Maybe they could get Bomber down at the kennel???

[LostDoggy]

Then its all about the $s and that's all.

[chef]

Hopefuly they get Neeld.

[dogman]

Then its all about the $s and that's all.

Mick will pay for himself in extra membership and support. The club has to just make him an offer he can't refuse.

[LostDoggy]

Can't see Mick leaving Collingwood until end of next year. Of the untried coaches I'd love us to chase Brendan McCartney - I took part in a coaching session lead by Brendan a few years back at the Geelong Falcons and he is a fantastic teacher of the game. Was instrumental in setting up the Geelong midfield.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Hopefuly they get Neeld.

Some in Adelaide suggest its a done deal that Neeld will coach Crows

[LostDoggy]

Mick will pay for himself in extra membership and support. The club has to just make him an offer he can't refuse.

All of 5K of member max?

[chef]

Some in Adelaide suggest its a done deal that Neeld will coach Crows

Bickleys last few weeks may change that.

[Rocco Jones]

Just on Cameron being the favourite- is it just the media putting one and one together? I agree with letting Eade go but I really don't hope it and the new new appointment are based on opinion poll type thinking.

Outside looking in, Mark Neeld is the guy who impresses me most but what do we really know about assistant coaches?

[AndrewP6]

My money's on Cameron. Yay.:rolleyes:

[Rocco Jones]

My money's on Cameron. Yay.:rolleyes:

How do you know Cameron is poor as a coach? My only issue is him being a former Bulldog factored in too highly.

What we know about him are the black and white facts. His last 3 years with us result in 3 prelims, since he has left we have struggled and since he has joined the Hawks they have shot back up into the top 3. I am not saying these factors are all due to him but it's hard to read too much into an assistant other the success of the tearm they are working at.

My main point is that it's had to be too definitive on a coach with no senior experience.

[AndrewP6]

How do you know Cameron is poor as a coach? My only issue is him being a former Bulldog factored in too highly.

What we know about him are the black and white facts. His last 3 years with us result in 3 prelims, since he has left we have struggled and since he has joined the Hawks they have shot back up into the top 3. I am not saying these factors are all due to him but it's hard to read too much into an assistant other the success of the tearm they are working at.

I don't really. Just a gut feel (and I could well be wrong), but if I mentally toss around names for the coaching role, for some reason his just doesn't interest me. I also think that their explanation of needing change won't hold up if they follow it by appointing a former Bulldog player and coach back into the side.

[dogman]

All of 5K of member max?

5k members is 500k raised. You get Cameron you would loose 5k in members so down 500k and you will still have to be paying Cameron 400k to be senior coach. I rather give Mick 900k to a million because we will still be in front.

[1eyedog]

Laidley is just the hard-nosed bastard we need right now to steer us through the next 3 years. He has proved he can manage a club on an oily rag and can make the tough decisions. As others have mentioned, look at appointing the appropriate coach when our list has been exposed to more experience.

There is not one name being bandied about that gives me any confidence. If you are going to get rid of the best coach for the club, at least replace him with a safe option and someone who is external to the club and can provide the MC with some hard, unbiased truths about the condition of the list.

[Rocco Jones]

I don't really. Just a gut feel (and I could well be wrong), but if I mentally toss around names for the coaching role, for some reason his just doesn't interest me. I also think that their explanation of needing change won't hold up if they follow it by appointing a former Bulldog player and coach back into the side.

Whenever someone is negative about Eade here it is quickly demanded they back up their points. Funny that 'gut feels' are enough to write off his potential successors. Not trying to have a go at you, just the situation.

[1eyedog]

How do you know Cameron is poor as a coach? My only issue is him being a former Bulldog factored in too highly.

What we know about him are the black and white facts. His last 3 years with us result in 3 prelims, since he has left we have struggled and since he has joined the Hawks they have shot back up into the top 3. I am not saying these factors are all due to him but it's hard to read too much into an assistant other the success of the tearm they are working at.

My main point is that it's had to be too definitive on a coach with no senior experience.

He's a smart guy, and highly respected in the competition but the reason he is always an also-ran is his personality type. He is simply not a forceful, persuasive personality type, regardless of his credentials.

I think he has a hard time selling himself.

[LostDoggy]

5k members is 500k raised. You get Cameron you would loose 5k in members so down 500k and you will still have to be paying Cameron 400k to be senior coach. I rather give Mick 900k to a million because we will still be in front.

Yes we need to give that all to the coach.We are so rich. Doubt we would lose 5k just because Cameron coaches.

[westbulldog]

I don't believe for one minute we are in a steep decline. We have debuted more players than 15 other teams (not GC of course) and we have played each week with a group of around 10 players with less than 50 games yet we beat Carlton who are contenders for a top 4 and should have beaten WestCoast (another top 4 contender) if it wasn't for Razor Ray. A little luck and we could have been in the top eight.

Ok alot of ifs and buts but certainly not on a steep decline.

Well said Bornadog, I couldn't agree more.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Picking a rookie coach is much like a draft pick.

We might get Wayne Carey, we're far more likely to get Sam Power

[bornadog]

How do you know Cameron is poor as a coach? My only issue is him being a former Bulldog factored in too highly.

What we know about him are the black and white facts. His last 3 years with us result in 3 prelims, since he has left we have struggled and since he has joined the Hawks they have shot back up into the top 3. I am not saying these factors are all due to him but it's hard to read too much into an assistant other the success of the tearm they are working at.

My main point is that it's had to be too definitive on a coach with no senior experience.

He has never experienced the ultimate success, to me that is the most important thing. Unless he has played in a GF or coached as an assistant in a GF then forget it. How would he know how to prepare for one if we some how got there?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Craig Bellamy?

[AndrewP6]

Whenever someone is negative about Eade here it is quickly demanded they back up their points. Funny that 'gut feels' are enough to write off his potential successors. Not trying to have a go at you, just the situation.

I'm happy for people to go with their gut. :)

[bornadog]

Well take your pick

Contenders on the coaching carousel (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/contenders-on-the-coaching-carosel/story-e6frf9jf-1226116677286l)

IF it wasn't already, the AFL coaching merry-go-round hit top gear today.

With Rodney Eade moving on from Whitten Oval, there are now three certain openings for AFL head coaches next year.

The Bulldogs join Melbourne and Adelaide with the "job vacant" sign up, but there seems no shortage of candidates.

Both Hawthorn and Carlton are yet to re-sign their coaches - Alastair Clarkson and Brett Ratten, respectively - but both appear likely to keep their jobs in 2012 and beyond.

So who are the contenders

Leon Cameron: A favourite son who has received rave reviews for his game knowledge, most recently with Hawthorn.

Mick Malthouse: The Pies coach will step down at the end of the season. High on all wanted lists and could be a hint of romance if he winds up where his coaching career began in 1984.

Alan Richardson: Reportedly only narrowly missed previous top jobs, and renowned for his technical abilities as line coach, currently at Carlton after stints at Richmond (Coburg), Essendon and Collingwood.

Mark Williams: Tied with GWS under Kevin Sheedy, but the lure of another top job could be a factor.

Dean Laidley: Former North Melbourne coach tudying to further his senior coaching credentials while working part-time with Port.

Mark Neeld: The boom name for his outstanding work with the Pies in recent seasons under Malthouse.

Scott Burns: His stocks have risen quickly with West Coast's rebirth as a power in 2011.

Brian Royal: The perennial candidate, but this time could have the "home-ground" advantage. Currently at Melbourne.

Scott West: Another favourite son of the west, but still viewed by some as coaching work in progress. Currently at the Demons.

Neil Craig: After seven years in hot seat at Adelaide, may prefer comfort of assistant's chair.

Brendan McCartney: Won high praise as apprentice of "Bomber" Thompson at Geelong and now part of Essendon's "dream team".

Adam Simpson: Currently an assistant at Hawthorn. Viewed by many as coach of the future, but may need more time.

Brenton Sanderson: Another who learnt the trade under Thompson at Geelong, and narrowly missed on the Cats job last year. Seen as a coach in waiting, so a lot could depend on his presentation.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I'll be extremely angry if we appoint Leon Cameron or any other ex-bulldog player.

It'd be a dream if we landed MM, but it's not happening.

[Desipura]

Good post.

Also, take all of Collingwood's defenders from last year out and put in a bunch of players who have played less than 20 games and would anyone still think they're premiership favourites?

It's all about the structure, Collingwood are still winning with a number of their players out.
At the start of the season Monty said our game plan was 3 years old, who is responsible for that?

[Desipura]

5k members is 500k raised. You get Cameron you would loose 5k in members so down 500k and you will still have to be paying Cameron 400k to be senior coach. I rather give Mick 900k to a million because we will still be in front.

And what do you pay the Assistants? Mick did not get Collingwood where they are now by himself

[chef]

I'll be extremely angry if we appoint Leon Cameron or any other ex-bulldog player.

It'd be a dream if we landed MM, but it's not happening.

We need a coach who will still be here in 5 years time, does MM have that long in him as we aren't going to be a contender for a little while.

[Curly5]

You can bet it will be a first-time senior coach. The board won't go down the path of other sacked coaches (hopefully), and Malthouse would be too expensive. I don't know much about any of them. Who do we want fronting the media after our games (I'll refrain from saying "wins" or "losses")? Who do we see telling the players what to do and them responding? Who do we hear big recommendations for?

Cameron, Sanderson or Neeld seem to be the standouts, if they apply for the job. At least you could say Cameron's heart would be in the job. I'd be wondering if Sanderson or Neeld could put Geelong or Collingwood behind them.

[Scraggers]

We need a coach who will still be here in 5 years time, does MM have that long in him as we aren't going to be a contender for a little while.

Why? So the Board can show him the door after his first unsuccessful season?
(Not a shot at you ... just annoyed at the Board ATM)

[wimberga]

Lets get david parkin!!!

[Bulldog4life]

Latest ODDS:

Leon Cameron 2.00

Mick Malthouse 6.50

Dean Laidley 8.00

Paul Williams 10.00

Mark Williams 10.00

Peter German 12.00

Mark Neeld 12.00

Scott Burns 12.00

Brett Montgomery 14.00

Dean Wallis 17.00

Scott West 17.00

Paul Roos 21.00

Brenton Sanderson 21.00

Chris Grant 21.00

Ken Hinkley 21.00

Alan Richardson 26.00

Peter Dean 26.00

Blake Caracella 26.00

Brian Royal 34.00

John Barnes 34.00

Luke Darcy 41.00

Doug Hawkins 41.00

Barry Hall 41.00

[Greystache]

$12 for either of those two looks attractive to me.

Bazza at $41... I think they left a zero off the end.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

It's all about the structure, Collingwood are still winning with a number of their players out.

Yeah, no.

Collingwood haven't had many injuries - at all. A week here and there hardly counts.

[Bulldog4life]

$12 for either of those two looks attractive to me.Bazza at $41... I think they left a zero off the end.

Which two? There is three.:)

[Greystache]

Which two? There is three.:)

Well if you want to be all accurate and stuff. :o

Neeld and Burns I meant.

[chef]

Why? So the Board can show him the door after his first unsuccessful season?
(Not a shot at you ... just annoyed at the Board ATM)

Because IMO that's how long it's going to take us to become a contender again. I can't see them showing him the door after one season no matter how bad it is.

[the banker]

Its all about structure and game plan. Agree Desi. Paul Roos said that earlier in the year.

Our first challenge is getting the selection panel right. Leigh Matthews is the person whose judgement I would trust. If Cameron got the job after Matthews had run his eye over him, I would have confidence he was the best selection.

Sometimes people who have been part of a successful team have been very lucky, they may not have contributed in a big way to that success and sometimes they don't recognize what the subtle things were that created that success. They just happen to have been there doing a job. However if Malthouse and Hird and Thompson endorse Neeld, McCarthy and Sanderson then you would think they have the makings.

But lets get Leigh Matthews on the panel he obviously knows what it takes.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

But lets get Leigh Matthews on the panel he obviously knows what it takes.

I'm almost certain he's helping Melbourne out.

I stand to be corrected, though!

[Desipura]

Yeah, no.

Collingwood haven't had many injuries - at all. A week here and there hardly counts.

Yeh youre right, nah you're wrong
Toovey, Jolly, Brown, Shaw suspended and their full forward in Dawes have been out for a lengthy time this season. Didak is not 100 per cent fit but is playing.

You might want to do some research.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Yeh youre right, nah you're wrong
Toovey, Jolly, Brown, Shaw suspended and their full forward out for a long time.
You might want to do some research.

Jolly and Brown - sure. However, it's not like they couldn't replace Brown. They wouldn't be able to fit him, Tarrant and Reid in the same side anyway.

Toovey missed about 2 or 3 weeks?

It doesn't compare to Lake, Cooney (our best two by far), Hargrave, Sherman and now Williams & Morris.

You might want to use logic. Collingwood have a solid run with injuries.

[Desipura]

Jolly and Brown - sure. However, it's not like they couldn't replace Brown. They wouldn't be able to fit him, Tarrant and Reid in the same side anyway.

Toovey missed about 2 or 3 weeks?

It doesn't compare to Lake, Cooney (our best two by far), Hargrave, Sherman and now Williams & Morris.

You might want to use logic. Collingwood have a solid run with injuries.

How long has Toovey been out? I'm using logic you are covering one eye. First you say they have not had long term injuries, I proved they have and then you compare our long term injured players and you mention Sherman, Williams and Morris who only just got injured.
Cooney and Lake are our only 2 long term injuries along with Hargrave who is cooked!

[Mantis]

How long has Toovey been out? I'm using logic you are covering one eye.

Toovey would be ranked about 15-22 in Collingwood's best players.

Lake & Cooney sit no. 1 & 2 in ours.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How long has Toovey been out? I'm using logic you are covering one eye. First you say they have not had long term injuries, I proved they have and then you compare our long term injured players and you mention Sherman, Williams and Morris who only just got injured.
Cooney and Lake are our only 2 long term injuries along with Hargrave who is cooked!

I was simply listing our group to highlight its continued growth. By that logic, you can take out Shaw too. He's played most of the season.

Read Mantis' post above.

Lake and Cooney are our two best players and at their best would be in the top 10 of AFL players IMO.

Toovey, Brown and alike are not. They aren't overly hard to replace.

[cambo]

SCOTT WATERS current assistant Collingwood, won 2 premierships in WAFL with Subiaco and played in glory days at Eagles, apparently a great leader, communicator, tactician etc etc

If we are going with a rookie coach he would be my pick over Cameron and other

[BulldogBelle]

Someone from Essendon? ruled themselves out today - didn't catch it properly.
Wallis?????

[LostDoggy]

That's big but MM would be bigger. He has said no a lot more.
I don't think it would be no where as big as he Thompson situation, he was still wanted as coach by Geelong. Mick has been given the arse in that role.

[BulldogBelle]

Surprised to see MM second favourite - bit of hope then!

[LostDoggy]

I was simply listing our group to highlight its continued growth. By that logic, you can take out Shaw too. He's played most of the season.

Read Mantis' post above.

Lake and Cooney are our two best players and at their best would be in the top 10 of AFL players IMO.

Toovey, Brown and alike are not. They aren't overly hard to replace.


How long has Toovey been out? I'm using logic you are covering one eye. First you say they have not had long term injuries, I proved they have and then you compare our long term injured players and you mention Sherman, Williams and Morris who only just got injured.
Cooney and Lake are our only 2 long term injuries along with Hargrave who is cooked!

Break it up kids.

[bornadog]

$12 for either of those two looks attractive to me.

Bazza at $41... I think they left a zero off the end.

They left more zero's than that for Dougie

[1eyedog]

Laidley is just the hard-nosed bastard we need right now to steer us through the next 3 years. He has proved he can manage a club on an oily rag and can make the tough decisions. As others have mentioned, look at appointing the appropriate coach when our list has been exposed to more experience.

There is not one name being bandied about that gives me any confidence. If you are going to get rid of the best coach for the club, at least replace him with a safe option and someone who is external to the club and can provide the MC with some hard, unbiased truths about the condition of the list.

This.

[Desipura]

He has never experienced the ultimate success, to me that is the most important thing. Unless he has played in a GF or coached as an assistant in a GF then forget it. How would he know how to prepare for one if we some how got there?

Assistants?
I would be happy just to get in a granny first

[Scraggers]

This was on twitter earlier from Ben Wise (3AW Manager)


For @WesternBulldogs CEO fans: CEO Simon Garlick says the club has meetings with two AFL premiership coaches this week CC: @3AWIsFootball

I wonder who??

[GVGjr]

This was on twitter earlier from Ben Wise (3AW Manager)



I wonder who??

Hard to say without having an idea at what lengths these conversations were.

Asking Paul Roos if he is interested and him saying no isn't really what I would call a meeting about the coaching position. Asking Mick Malthouse if he was interested and him saying I'll get back to you promptly at the seasons end might have a bit more to it.

[azabob]

This was on twitter earlier from Ben Wise (3AW Manager)



I wonder who??


Hard to say without having an idea at what lengths these conversations were.

Asking Paul Roos if he is interested and him saying no isn't really what I would call a meeting about the coaching position. Asking Mick Malthouse if he was interested and him saying I'll get back to you promptly at the seasons end might have a bit more to it.

The meetings are not for the coaching position. It is to help with what qualities to look for etc. It is to help offset having no coaching experience on the panel.

Hope this clarifies what the tweet was about.

[LongWait]

This was on twitter earlier from Ben Wise (3AW Manager)



I wonder who??

I hear that there is a bit of interest in Choco Williams.

[Remi Moses]

God No:eek:

[LongWait]

God No:eek:

Seems Sportsbet agrees he's some sort of chance - 5th favourite for the Bulldogs' position and second favourite for Melbourne's. Agree that it is a scary thought - I'd prefer a younger coach.

[LostDoggy]

Seems Sportsbet agrees he's some sort of chance - 5th favourite for the Bulldogs' position and second favourite for Melbourne's. Agree that it is a scary thought - I'd prefer a younger coach.

Tell you who is worth a bet.
Barry Hall to coach the dogs next year at 41:1 :eek: Eazy money there

[The Underdog]

Anyone else concerned about the number of people within football who seem to have Cameron just about over the line? If it was one or two I wouldn't be worried but it's a lot more than that.

[chef]

Anyone else concerned about the number of people within football who seem to have Cameron just about over the line? If it was one or two I wouldn't be worried but it's a lot more than that.

Whats wrong with Cameron?

[Mofra]

Anyone else concerned about the number of people within football who seem to have Cameron just about over the line? If it was one or two I wouldn't be worried but it's a lot more than that.
The Age article today certainly has talked him up - you have to wonder how much the club is painting a positive picture of him pre-appointment to get us used to the idea.

Sure he has a football brain, but is that enough as a coach?

[LongWait]

Anyone else concerned about the number of people within football who seem to have Cameron just about over the line? If it was one or two I wouldn't be worried but it's a lot more than that.

I guess it's understandable that Smorgon and Fantasia will have some notion as to their preferred candidate(s) going into the selection process. They've had a while to think about this and it's only human nature to start to form an opinion.

It would be a massive concern if they have made their minds up and the process from here on is just window dressing.

The strength of the leaks about Leon does raise concerns about their having already made up their minds. Any concerns could be alleviated to a degree by Smorgon stating that Leon is of course a strong candidate but there is a fantastic field lining up and the panel is open-minded about who to recommend to the Board.

[Mofra]

The strength of the leaks about Leon does raise concerns about their having already made up their minds. Any concerns could be alleviated to a degree by Smorgon stating that Leon is of course a strong candidate but there is a fantastic field lining up and the panel is open-minded about who to recommend to the Board.
I hope so - from memopry Clarkson wasn't anywhere near the favourite at the Hawks until the selection process started, yet he was chosen and he's certainly a successful choice.

[Ghost Dog]

So most people here are against Leon Cameron?

[LongWait]

So most people here are against Leon Cameron?

Not me. I don't know enough about any of them to have a firm opinion.

[Rocco Jones]

So most people here are against Leon Cameron?

I think most of the people here that are 'against' Cameron are more against him getting the job primarily because he is a Bulldog/known quantity. I am in this category. If we go through the right process and end up with Cameron, I will be happy.

[Greystache]

I hope so - from memopry Clarkson wasn't anywhere near the favourite at the Hawks until the selection process started, yet he was chosen and he's certainly a successful choice.

Ross Lyon was also a rank outsider at St Kilda but got the job, Hardwick was also as good as over the line until the final interview at Melbourne.

[bornadog]

Anyone rate this bloke?

Justin Leppitsch

The three-time Brisbane Lions premiership player was appointed as a defensive coach last September after parting ways with his former club. An assistant since his retirement in 2006, Leppitsch earned All-Australian honours on three occasions and was a joint winner of the Lions’ best and fairest in 1999.

Apparently has merged as a possible for a senior role?

[GVGjr]

The Age article today certainly has talked him up - you have to wonder how much the club is painting a positive picture of him pre-appointment to get us used to the idea.

Sure he has a football brain, but is that enough as a coach?

I think you are on to something.

[The Underdog]

I think most of the people here that are 'against' Cameron are more against him getting the job primarily because he is a Bulldog/known quantity. I am in this category. If we go through the right process and end up with Cameron, I will be happy.

This.
If he's the best candidate and comes through the process, great. If the "process" is a farce, where the majority are pulling for a certain outcome because they know him, count me out.

[GVGjr]

I think most of the people here that are 'against' Cameron are more against him getting the job primarily because he is a Bulldog/known quantity. I am in this category. If we go through the right process and end up with Cameron, I will be happy.


One of my concerns is that if we are to 'refresh' surely the lead candidate should have at been away from the club for more than 12 months.
A Cameron appointment isn't the fresh approach Smorgon was indicating.

[Maddog37]

I think Cameron as a head start with his list knowledge. No idea if he is the best man for the job though.

I would like Scott Watters to be chased up as a senior assistant though.

[AndrewP6]

I'm not "against" Cameron as such. I am, however, against making public statements (when dismissing the current coach) about needing change, and refreshing the club....and then appointing someone who, apart from this year, has been here for years.

[The Underdog]

One of my concerns is that if we are to 'refresh' surely the lead candidate should have at been away from the club for more than 12 months.
A Cameron appointment isn't the fresh approach Smorgon was indicating.

Again, these have been my concerns the whole way along. If we're "refreshing" then surely a true outsider is the best candidate.

[GVGjr]

Again, these have been my concerns the whole way along. If we're "refreshing" then surely a true outsider is the best candidate.

I understand the temptation for the sub-committee to look favorably towards Cameron because he knows the workings of the club and the playing list etc but has he really learned that much more for just being away from the club for 12 months?

I listened to Sanderson talk yesterday. He wasn't an impressive verbal communicator although he would leave Mark Harvey for dead but I did like the way he described they way the Cats approached this season. Seems to have a good understanding of what a successful club should do as you would expect. I'm just not sure how Cameron, from a media perspective, can be so clearly ahead of guys that have been around successful clubs.

[Greystache]

Anyone rate this bloke?

Justin Leppitsch

The three-time Brisbane Lions premiership player was appointed as a defensive coach last September after parting ways with his former club. An assistant since his retirement in 2006, Leppitsch earned All-Australian honours on three occasions and was a joint winner of the Lions’ best and fairest in 1999.

Apparently has merged as a possible for a senior role?

He hates Aker, gotta have some smarts about him. :D

[LostDoggy]

Cameron is as astute as they come. If we don't take him because of he's a 'Bulldogs' man, it will be our loss. Only a matter of time before he gets a senior role.

[ledge]

I can see Cameron as refresh, brings his ideas, ones he couldnt implement as an assistant, in fact any new coach is a refresh, a rebuild includes start from scratch, players,football administration coaches, assistant coaches.

I wonder if the players or leadership group have any input at all?

[The Underdog]

Cameron is as astute as they come. If we don't take him because of he's a 'Bulldogs' man, it will be our loss. Only a matter of time before he gets a senior role.

Given the reasons for changing coach I think it makes more sense to go for an "outsider", however if Cameron comes through the interview process and is the clear obvious choice that's fine. If he gets the job because the board/management like him from when he used to be there then the whole thing stinks. Unfortunately if they do choose him it's going to be hard to prove that it wasn't the case.

[The Underdog]

I wonder if the players or leadership group have any input at all?

I hope not.

[Remi Moses]

So most people here are against Leon Cameron?

Got no idea really. Who has?

[ledge]

I hope not.

I know it sounds silly but how would you be hiring a coach that the players dont like from the beginning?

Im not saying they should have a full on say, just before the choice the board should have a feel of what the players feel of the applicants.
I dont know if thats the right words but I hope you get what I mean.

[The Underdog]

I know it sounds silly but how would you be hiring a coach that the players dont like from the beginning?

Im not saying they should have a full on say, just before the choice the board should have a feel of what the players feel of the applicants.
I dont know if thats the right words but I hope you get what I mean.

I do, I just don't think they should have a say. They won't be involved in the interviews and unless they've played under them as assistants I'm not sure what the point would be.

[Ghost Dog]

understanding the workings of a club could be a huge advantage.
What about a crows style arrangement that makes the head coach ' staff'. Has that worked over there?

[Mantis]

surely Cameron has been away long enough to be considered a man with ' outside' experience.

I wouldn't call less than 12 months long enough.

But that might just be me.

[ledge]

I wouldn't call less than 12 months long enough.

But that might just be me.

I suppose it depends if you count him being at the Tigers as well, being a player of another club would mean he has experience at 3 clubs now as a player and coaching.

[LostDoggy]

Given the reasons for changing coach I think it makes more sense to go for an "outsider", however if Cameron comes through the interview process and is the clear obvious choice that's fine. If he gets the job because the board/management like him from when he used to be there then the whole thing stinks. Unfortunately if they do choose him it's going to be hard to prove that it wasn't the case.

I agree with most of what you say apart from the bolded bit. I'm not sure why some posters are automatically ruling him out based on the fact he has a predominantly Bulldog background. I would expect Cameron go through the process and be weighed up against every other candidate using the same criteria. A Bulldog background should not be a showstopper against him.

[Ghost Dog]

I agree with most of what you say apart from the bolded bit. I'm not sure why some posters are automatically ruling him out based on the fact he has a predominantly Bulldog background. I would expect Cameron go through the process and be weighed up against every other candidate using the same criteria. A Bulldog background should not be a showstopper against him.

As a matter of fact, it may give him the inside knowledge to be a bit more brutally honest.

[boydogs]

I think most of the people here that are 'against' Cameron are more against him getting the job primarily because he is a Bulldog/known quantity. I am in this category. If we go through the right process and end up with Cameron, I will be happy.

I understand the want to evaluate what else is out there, but there is value in knowing someone well from being there is the past. 'Confirmed as not being another Peter Rhode' is a tick in his column.

[Mantis]

I understand the want to evaluate what else is out there, but there is value in knowing someone well from being there is the past. 'Confirmed as not being another Peter Rhode' is a tick in his column.

How do you know that for sure?

No-one does until he takes over the reins.

[Scraggers]

How do you know that for sure?

No-one does until he takes over the reins.

Exactly right ... Peter Rhode was rated very high as an assistant coach ... He should have stayed one !!

[LostDoggy]

Cameron may well be a good choice but we need to spend on some experienced assistants to help him out, preferably from somewhere with premiership success.

[LostDoggy]

Of course Cameron is over the line -- bookmakers are not in the business of giving money away.

So we get rid of a successful coach for no specific reason other than a wishy-washy one of 'needing change', then we go and hire one of his old assistants and think that this represents that 'change'?

FFS, this is why we don't win shit.

[comrade]

Are we even interviewing Neeld?

[immortalmike]

I think most of the people here that are 'against' Cameron are more against him getting the job primarily because he is a Bulldog/known quantity. I am in this category. If we go through the right process and end up with Cameron, I will be happy.

How would we know whether this happened?
Even if we interviewed everyone available for the position and Cameron came up the best candidate it won't stop people saying it was pre-ordained. I feel sorry for Leon if he gets the job.

[bornadog]

How would we know whether this happened?
Even if we interviewed everyone available for the position and Cameron came up the best candidate it won't stop people saying it was pre-ordained. I feel sorry for Leon if he gets the job.

I doubt the guys on the selection panel will just automatically endorse Cameron because thats what the club wants. Tom Harley, Chris Grant have reputations to uphold, for starters.

[chef]

Are we even interviewing Neeld?

God I hope so.

[Desipura]

Are we even interviewing Neeld?

If we are not, I would like to know why

[bornadog]

If we are not, I would like to know why

If he applies for the job I am sure we will interview him.

[Greystache]

If he applies for the job I am sure we will interview him.

Selecting coaches is hardly like getting a job at the supermarket, coaches dont apply, the club approaches a shortlist to see who's interested in interviewing.

[comrade]

Selecting coaches is hardly like getting a job at the supermarket, coaches dont apply, the club approaches a shortlist to see who's interested in interviewing.

That's what I would have thought.

[Desipura]

If he applies for the job I am sure we will interview him.

Maybe we should all apply then if that's the case!

[boydogs]

How do you know that for sure?

No-one does until he takes over the reins.

Not for sure, but a lot more certain than just seeing someone in a 2 hour job interview.

[LostDoggy]

Darce last night said Cameron had a brilliant football brain; Walls suggested just appoint him and no need for the panel. Hawks have come out in numbers to sing his praises for his work with them. Everything I hear on the media from those who have worked with him or are close to him suggests that Leon Cameron has a serious analytical mind for the game and has had the necessary training to step straight into the job of senior coach. The weight of opinion of those who should know has me convinced he is right for the job.

[azabob]

Of course Cameron is over the line -- bookmakers are not in the business of giving money away.

So we get rid of a successful coach for no specific reason other than a wishy-washy one of 'needing change', then we go and hire one of his old assistants and think that this represents that 'change'?

FFS, this is why we don't win shit.

Im sure the club has reasons why we decided not to go with Eade.

I don't think telling the whole media world we got rid of Eade because he couldn't do A,B,C would be doing the right thing by Rodney Eade.

He is still trying to get a job and us pointing out his flaws would kill his future chance of landing a role.

[LostDoggy]

But the club can give us stronger and more truthful reasons for their decisions without assassinating the character of the person being sacked.

If the club basically can't give any real reasons for legal or ethical reasons, I don't see the value of the press conference, frankly. Just a nonsense facade. I'm not saying bare your soul to the world, but there is a way to run press conferences and give real information, not just put up a pretend wall and treat everyone like mugs. Unless, of course, there are agendas at play that cannot be aired, which is a bigger problem than simply being shit at press conferences.

None of us bought the spin the day Rocket was sacked, and the actions of the club since have only further proven that they tried to sell us a sack of crap wrapped up in meaningless platitudes. How long do you think intelligent paying members would put up with being spoken to like idiots?

[bornadog]

Selecting coaches is hardly like getting a job at the supermarket, coaches dont apply, the club approaches a shortlist to see who's interested in interviewing.


Maybe we should all apply then if that's the case!

I should have made that clearer. Prospective coaches need to make it obvious they want to coach at your club. If West didn't say anything then we would not interview him.

Who knows if Neeld wants to coach at the dogs?

To answer your comment Desi, there is such thing as weeding out the ones you don't want to interview, just like any job.

[azabob]

But the club can give us stronger and more truthful reasons for their decisions without assassinating the character of the person being sacked.



True. Im just holding onto the hope we know what we are doing and will come out the other end better for it.

Time will tell.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

But the club can give us stronger and more truthful reasons for their decisions without assassinating the character of the person being sacked.

If the club basically can't give any real reasons for legal or ethical reasons, I don't see the value of the press conference, frankly. Just a nonsense facade. I'm not saying bare your soul to the world, but there is a way to run press conferences and give real information, not just put up a pretend wall and treat everyone like mugs. Unless, of course, there are agendas at play that cannot be aired, which is a bigger problem than simply being shit at press conferences.

None of us bought the spin the day Rocket was sacked, and the actions of the club since have only further proven that they tried to sell us a sack of crap wrapped up in meaningless platitudes. How long do you think intelligent paying members would put up with being spoken to like idiots?

I feel the same way and I know quite a lot of others do too.

I don't think there's any doubt that membership will drop off next year. It could potentially be significant, and whilst nobody likes fickle supporters, the club is largely at blame.

[mjp]

Who knows if Neeld wants to coach at the dogs?


I do. He does.

[LongWait]

But the club can give us stronger and more truthful reasons for their decisions without assassinating the character of the person being sacked.

If the club basically can't give any real reasons for legal or ethical reasons, I don't see the value of the press conference, frankly. Just a nonsense facade. I'm not saying bare your soul to the world, but there is a way to run press conferences and give real information, not just put up a pretend wall and treat everyone like mugs. Unless, of course, there are agendas at play that cannot be aired, which is a bigger problem than simply being shit at press conferences.

None of us bought the spin the day Rocket was sacked, and the actions of the club since have only further proven that they tried to sell us a sack of crap wrapped up in meaningless platitudes. How long do you think intelligent paying members would put up with being spoken to like idiots?

Has it occured to you that you don't speak for everyone?

Just as many supporters wanted a new contract for Eade, there are many supporters who believe that a new coach is the correct decision and that the club was as respectful as it could be to Rocket in the circumstances.

[LostDoggy]

Has it occured to you that you don't speak for everyone?
.

I didn't claim to speak for everyone, just intelligent, paying members.

[LongWait]

I didn't claim to speak for everyone, just intelligent, paying members.

I remember when I was young and thought I was so bloody right about everything....

[LostDoggy]

I remember when I was young and thought I was so bloody right about everything....

Haha. Good call. (although I'm not really all that young..)

Look, sorry if my posts get up your goat, I'm really not trying to. Just expressing my frustration at the club's behaviour. I don't think I'm alone in it, but you're right.. I don't speak for everyone.

[LongWait]

Haha. Good call. (although I'm not really all that young..)

Look, sorry if my posts get up your goat, I'm really not trying to. Just expressing my frustration at the club's behaviour. I don't think I'm alone in it, but you're right.. I don't speak for everyone.

Well done: I really rate your posts and always read them, so don't think I'm anything but impressed by your contributions. I know that a great many supporters are upset and angry about what has happened to Rocket - shows what a quality individual he is doesn't it!

[Greystache]

I didn't claim to speak for everyone, just intelligent, paying members.

I believe I fit your criteria, and I openly stated early in the year that this should be Eade's last season. I was pleased the club agreed.

[Greystache]

I do. He does.

What do you think of him as a candidate?

[mjp]

What do you think of him as a candidate?

Prejudice aside, best candidate available. Has coached in his own right in the country and won flags, has coached (and well) at u18 level (development box ticked) and has run the best midfield in the land in the best team in the land for two years...including integrating young players such as Blair and Buckley etc seamlessly into the mix.

Will be interesting to see how he fixes the current stoppage issue (teams getting the ball outside vs Collingwood) as it is a weakness in the structure.

[Greystache]

Prejudice aside, best candidate available. Has coached in his own right in the country and won flags, has coached (and well) at u18 level (development box ticked) and has run the best midfield in the land in the best team in the land for two years...including integrating young players such as Blair and Buckley etc seamlessly into the mix.

Will be interesting to see how he fixes the current stoppage issue (teams getting the ball outside vs Collingwood) as it is a weakness in the structure.

Thanks.

His name is thrown up a lot but not many people know if he actually a good candidate or not.

[the banker]

Has it occured to you that you don't speak for everyone?

Just as many supporters wanted a new contract for Eade, there are many supporters who believe that a new coach is the correct decision and that the club was as respectful as it could be to Rocket in the circumstances.

Concur

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Darce last night said Cameron had a brilliant football brain; Walls suggested just appoint him and no need for the panel. Hawks have come out in numbers to sing his praises for his work with them. Everything I hear on the media from those who have worked with him or are close to him suggests that Leon Cameron has a serious analytical mind for the game and has had the necessary training to step straight into the job of senior coach. The weight of opinion of those who should know has me convinced he is right for the job.

You can add Robert Murphy's name to the above who speak highly of Cameron.
Whoever you look at from the huge number of assistant coaches in waiting there has to be an element of risk. Leon has served a good apprenticeship and in spite of his short time at Hawthorn has made a big impression at the Hawks. Just because Cameron served a long time as an assistant at the 'Dogs, doesn't mean he isn't capable of refreshing the list. The 12 months away under an astute coach in Clarkson may well be a bonus.

[stefoid]

Darce last night said Cameron had a brilliant football brain; Walls suggested just appoint him and no need for the panel. Hawks have come out in numbers to sing his praises for his work with them. Everything I hear on the media from those who have worked with him or are close to him suggests that Leon Cameron has a serious analytical mind for the game and has had the necessary training to step straight into the job of senior coach. The weight of opinion of those who should know has me convinced he is right for the job.

Theres more to being a coach than an understanding of the game. Communication and motivational skills are just as important.

[Topdog]

Forgive me if I am wrong but Lantern wasn't commenting on sacking Eade as being stupid but the reasoning given to fans for doing it.

[LostDoggy]

Forgive me if I am wrong but Lantern wasn't commenting on sacking Eade as being stupid but the reasoning given to fans for doing it.

(whispering) yes, exactly, thank you (whisper over)...

[LostDoggy]

Well done: I really rate your posts and always read them, so don't think I'm anything but impressed by your contributions. I know that a great many supporters are upset and angry about what has happened to Rocket - shows what a quality individual he is doesn't it!

Hey you know what's funny? I just remembered this -- I was at a dinner party last week where we all got famous quotes and we had 30 seconds each to comment on them, and the one I got was:

"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde.

Quite a coincidence! The universe is definitely trying to tell me something (probably to shut up). :D

[Rocco Jones]

I didn't claim to speak for everyone, just intelligent, paying members.


I believe I fit your criteria, and I openly stated early in the year that this should be Eade's last season. I was pleased the club agreed.

I am totally with you 'tache.

I appreciate all that Eade has done for the club but I think the overall views on him here are rather warped. It's the elephant in the room but he had a positive relationship with a lot of influential posters here and I think that has at the very least contributed to the melancholy feel here since his departure.

[Rocco Jones]

It's very hard to jude assistant from the outside but from what I see, Neeld has been my favourite for awhile.

One thing I feel he might struggle with is a bit of image of being a brainiac who is great coming up with theories as an assistant be would struggle to be the man in charge of an AFL club. Also, his humble career hurts his image a bit.

mjp, do you think he has some 'image' issues that are holding him back?

[comrade]

It's the elephant in the room but he had a positive relationship with a lot of influential posters here and I think that has at the very least contributed to the melancholy feel here since his departure.

The elephant in the room? You mention it all the time :)

[boydogs]

But the club can give us stronger and more truthful reasons for their decisions without assassinating the character of the person being sacked.

I've been harping on about club communication all season, but I don't see how they could.

Let's say it was because Eade's message was stale, he didn't adjust to the zone, didn't coach the mids to work defensively, and didn't have the gameplan to beat the best teams and win finals.

How do you put that without tarnishing his name?

For all the negativity surrounding his sacking, it is really an optimistic decision in suggesting that we can do better than what we have.

[Rocco Jones]

The elephant in the room? You mention it all the time :)

Do I? Oh well, if this forum was a house, then the threads would be rooms. Plenty of elephants!

Still hard to disagree. So many posters who used to hammer others for mindless negativity have suddenly turned emo!

[LostDoggy]

I didn't have a personal relationship with Rocket.

I'm emo because we're behaving like an unstable, backstabbing club full of hidden, personal agendas. How's that worked out for Richmond over the years?

Strong clubs don't do crap to look strong.

[bornadog]

I appreciate all that Eade has done for the club but I think the overall views on him here are rather warped. It's the elephant in the room but he had a positive relationship with a lot of influential posters here and I think that has at the very least contributed to the melancholy feel here since his departure.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about this as you keep bringing it up?

[LostDoggy]

I've been harping on about club communication all season, but I don't see how they could.

Let's say it was because Eade's message was stale, he didn't adjust to the zone, didn't coach the mids to work defensively, and didn't have the gameplan to beat the best teams and win finals.

How do you put that without tarnishing his name?

For all the negativity surrounding his sacking, it is really an optimistic decision in suggesting that we can do better than what we have.

They could have tried to sell a compelling vision of the future. Tell us what they're going to do with the football department, talk about a strategy of change ie. how we are going to be more competitive of just 'change for the sake of it'. Tell us why Rocket wasn't the right person and give us some strong ideas about what they were looking for instead.

Splitting hairs about a 'refresh' rather than a 'rebuild', saying that they didn't even have a Plan B, admitting that their schedule was forced on them, having a review of the coach without a review of the football department.. all amateur hour mistakes.

Instead of selling any visions, it was instead an incredibly defensive performance loaded with spin and had all the atmosphere of a wake. Whoever's running our media strategy is not much of a strategist. We have one of the lowest memberships going around, selling realistic hope would be a good start (and 'change for the sake of change' isn't a strong message by any standards).

[Sedat]

I'm emo because we're behaving like an unstable, backstabbing club full of hidden, personal agendas.
It certainly appears that way.

[LostDoggy]

ps. You know how I know we did a crap job at the press conference (other than listening to it)? Every paper went with the 'poor Rocket, hard done by, stupid crazy impatient Bulldogs' angle the next few days, and commentators didn't buy the 'refresh/rebuild' stuff (and instead ridiculed it, actually). We didn't get our agenda across at all, and failed to convince a single person to advocate for the Dogs vision or position (probably because we didn't have one).

You see Eddie take charge of the agenda of a press conference and sell a vision, the next day some reporters almost become Collingwood apologists. That's what a strong key message does, and we certainly didn't have one that day.

[bornadog]

They could have tried to sell a compelling vision of the future. Tell us what they're going to do with the football department, talk about a strategy of change ie. how we are going to be more competitive of just 'change for the sake of it'. Tell us why Rocket wasn't the right person and give us some strong ideas about what they were looking for instead.

Splitting hairs about a 'refresh' rather than a 'rebuild', saying that they didn't even have a Plan B, admitting that their schedule was forced on them, having a review of the coach without a review of the football department.. all amateur hour mistakes.

Instead of selling any visions, it was instead an incredibly defensive performance loaded with spin and had all the atmosphere of a wake. Whoever's running our media strategy is not much of a strategist. We have one of the lowest memberships going around, selling realistic hope would be a good start (and 'change for the sake of change' isn't a strong message by any standards).

Yes smacked of a quick fix ala Rhodes appointment.

We were told at the start of the year there would be a thorough process. We were told the same after the West Coast thrashing, ie no knee jerk reactions. Yet a decision was made within a day of Rockets manager asking where are we at.

[Dry Rot]

What about the Geelong assistant who lost out to Scott?

Sanderson sp? Has he applied?

Glad Neeld has applied. Hope the process is fair and not just a Cameron fait accompli.

[Sedat]

Hope the process is fair and not just a Cameron fait accompli.
Bookies odds of $1.40 would strongly point to a fait accompli. Bookies aren't in the business of giving money away to mug punters.

The very least the club can do is to submit all available candidates through a thorough and exhaustive application process in order to get the best possible available candidate. Window dressing a few interviews and coming up with the red-hot favourite is not going to cut the mustard and is certainly not 'respecting the process' (to quote our CEO ad nauseum all season, or at least until said process was abruptly shortened).

[Greystache]

Yes smacked of a quick fix ala Rhodes appointment.

We were told at the start of the year there would be a thorough process. We were told the same after the West Coast thrashing, ie no knee jerk reactions. Yet a decision was made within a day of Rockets manager asking where are we at.

It's also possible his plan presented to the panel was so far off the mark in their eyes that the decision made itself. Perhaps they thought Leon Cameron is a far better person to coach the club next year, and there are potentially even better candidates than him in the market, so Eade is an automatic no.

Just saying we have no idea what the drivers behind the decision were.

[Dry Rot]

It's also possible his plan presented to the panel was so far off the mark in their eyes that the decision made itself.

My concern is that Eade presented a realistic view they didn't want to hear.

[Greystache]

My concern is that Eade presented a realistic view they didn't want to hear.

Could well be the case, there's a lot of speculation being thrown about.

[boydogs]

They could have tried to sell a compelling vision of the future. Tell us what they're going to do with the football department, talk about a strategy of change ie. how we are going to be more competitive of just 'change for the sake of it'. Tell us why Rocket wasn't the right person and give us some strong ideas about what they were looking for instead.

The three key things you are asking for couldn't be delivered. The football department review was still going, detailing the reasons for Eade's sacking would have hurt his chances in other roles, and presenting the future direction requires the new coach to be on board.

The press conference saying not much more than 'we think we have gone as far as we can with Eade' was all we could present at the time. If we don't hear a clear plan from the new coach once appointed and clear report on findings and actions from the football department review, then that's when I will start to be critical.

[the banker]

I didn't have a personal relationship with Rocket.

I'm emo because we're behaving like an unstable, backstabbing club full of hidden, personal agendas. How's that worked out for Richmond over the years?

Strong clubs don't do crap to look strong.

I find this assessment rather weird. How is not giving your coach of 7 years a new contract backstabbing? He was not sacked, just not re-appointed. The KPI's suggested that he was not achieving the results and most successful organizations would have a natural changing of the order in this sort of timeframe. What is your opinion on Essendon and Sheedy, Collingwood and Malthouse?

Unstable, Backstabbing? Seems that some of the posts here, even coming from distant posters who may or may not be insiders (I am a mere paid up peripheral member and supporter for 50 years and have no inside connections) have more the tone of backstabbing and instability re the football department than they have shown in managing a relatively successful era for our Club. IMO they made the correct forward looking decision in looking to refresh and give us a chance for continued competiveness.

[bornadog]

My concern is that Eade presented a realistic view they didn't want to hear.

Your not wrong there.

[bornadog]

It's also possible his plan presented to the panel was so far off the mark in their eyes that the decision made itself. Perhaps they thought Leon Cameron is a far better person to coach the club next year, and there are potentially even better candidates than him in the market, so Eade is an automatic no.

Just saying we have no idea what the drivers behind the decision were.

To me a thorough process is a complete analysis of the football department from Fantasia down to see if we have the best available people running it. This should involve independent people along with club people. Then after that, if the coach, assistants and football operations manager are not going to take us to the next stage we can then make a decision and get the right people. A powerpoint presentation followed by a discussion is not a thorough process.

[Desipura]

My concern is that Eade presented a realistic view they didn't want to hear.
Well, he is as much to blame as the list could have been better managed.

[LongWait]

A lot of opinions are being passed off as fact on this site.

None of us know what the Board assessment of Rocket really is; none of us know what assessment Rocket made of the list; none of us know what Rocket and/or his manager said to the Board to bring about the announcement not to offer him a further contract.

We do know that Rocket is a good bloke. We do know that we have failed to play in a Grand Final after 7 years under Rocket. We do know that our playing group is likely to be at least 2 years from challenging to play in a Grand Final.

What about we lay off the club and its' management and stop behaving like Richmond supporters.

[Sockeye Salmon]

A lot of opinions are being passed off as fact on this site.

None of us know what the Board assessment of Rocket really is; none of us know what assessment Rocket made of the list; none of us know what Rocket and/or his manager said to the Board to bring about the announcement not to offer him a further contract.

We do know that Rocket is a good bloke. We do know that we have failed to play in a Grand Final after 7 years under Rocket. We do know that our playing group is likely to be at least 2 years from challenging to play in a Grand Final.

What about we lay off the club and its' management and stop behaving like Richmond supporters.

Actually, quite a few of us know quite a lot of that.


And I'll stop acting like a Richmond supporter when our club's management stops acting like Richmond's management!

[LongWait]

Actually, quite a few of us know quite a lot of that.


And I'll stop acting like a Richmond supporter when our club's management stops acting like Richmond's management!

How and what do you "know" - I assume you are suggesting you know Rocket's side of the story. In the circumstances not the most reliable account perhaps.

[Maddog37]

I would love to know what and how you know SS. I am very interested and would appreciate any sharing of knowledge.

[Happy Days]

mjp, are there any other applicants that you have an informed opinion on?

[Sockeye Salmon]

I would love to know what and how you know SS. I am very interested and would appreciate any sharing of knowledge.

There's people on here who are very well connected to the club.

[Maddog37]

Say no more SS. Understood.

[mjp]

mjp, are there any other applicants that you have an informed opinion on?

Not really.

[Desipura]

There's people on here who are very well connected to the club.

Yes however will they be well connected when the new coach comes in?

[Sockeye Salmon]

Yes however will they be well connected when the new coach comes in?

Some still will be.


I've been to the footy many times with an older guy, long retired, who lives right next to the Whitten Oval and has barely missed a training session in years - even closed sessions (and other Woofer's know him a whole lot better than I do).

Every player, every trainer, nearly every club employee knows who he is and would stop and chat to him.

He would be privvy to plenty.

[Maddog37]

Good to hear SS. Any inside info keeps us longer distance supporters closer to the club.