Carltons 2011 season?

[GVGjr]

How did Carlton improve so much during the season?
They had their share of injuries but really did have a terrific season.

[The Doctor]

Carlton have been on the periphery of being a good side for a couple of years. They have made the finals 3 years running and narrowly lost to exit the finals each time.

Although they have improved this season in a number of areas across the field if I could pin it down to one thing it would be the improvement in Chris Yarran. I rate Yarran the best half back in the business and one of the best players in the comp. His drive from the back half ignites the play and sets up so many midfield and forward thrusts. He is also not predictable so he is hard to contain and the Blues forward structure is perfect for him with so many targets to aim at. He's simply fantastic.

[anfo27]

The blues were very good last night and overall have had a very good season. I didn't rate Ratten as a coach but gee he has done a super job this year. To improve as much as they have with injuries to key personnel like Jamison, Waite & Kreuzer has been a great effort.
Their biggest improvement has been their run out of defence with Yarren having a breakout season but they also have other players back there like Duigan, Russell, Scotland, Armfield & Laidler who also give them some run out there as well as being solid players.
Marc Murphy has taken his game to another level and is now a legitimate A grader. Tex Walker going forward has been a brillant move by Ratten and one i thought wouldn't have worked. Henderson going in defence has seen him improve out of sight, he has played some very good games back there. Mitch Robinson has improved big time as well and his hardness at the footy is a pleasure to watch.
As much as they have improved they still need a lot more improvement to be a legitimate contender next year and what do they need to do to bridge that gap?

[Go_Dogs]

They played well last night, and look to have further improvement in them next year.

A few of their B/C grade players have stepped up, which has driven their improvement.

[mjp]

They don't need much more - a fit Waite to keep Glass busy would have been enough to turn the game last night - let alone having a bit more class (Gibbs) across half-back. Last night they were missing 2 of their best 5 (Gibbs and Waite) and Judd was poor bordering on apathetic - some of his efforts were disgraceful - and they still only went down by a kick (and there was a double goal awarded to WC - the kick was there but it really is a big penalty).

I am impressed at the mature aged Duigan and the recycled Laidler...they play footy with strength and passion.

All of that said, I picked them to win - my theory was that WCE's biggest strength right now is there key backs - Glass and McKenzie have been unbeatable for 3 months now - and given Carlton had no key forwards that would really nullify the ability of those two to impact the game. As it turned out, the West Coast backs just played on smalls and the coaches held their nerve...

There are a few other contenders right now but I expect them to be in a strong position for a real swing at it in 2012.

[Topdog]

They have been pretty good but I still don't understand when Waite turned into one of the top 5 fwd's in the game?

[mjp]

They have been pretty good but I still don't understand when Waite turned into one of the top 5 fwd's in the game?

Who is suggesting that?

[Bulldog Revolution]

I was also impressed with the Blues for a lot of this year

I think a fit Gibbs alone would have been enough to turn last nights game around.

I think the Blues back line coach has to take a lot of credit. Henderson really looked good last night in the bits I saw. And others have said it but Duigan was a superb mature aged pick up and Laidler was the perfect steal from another club, as well as Yarran having a good season in his first as a defender.

Garlett was electric in the first half of the year - and I'd love to have a player like him at the dogs

I was a little surprised that Andrew Russell fall out of favour as he'd seemingly become a solid player. They have many others who have plenty of improvement left in them, particularly bigger guys like Watson, Tuohy, Warnock, Kruezer etc

If they can land a couple more good kids and there young core continues to improve they will challenge again in 2012.

[chef]

I was also impressed with the Blues for a lot of this year

I think a fit Gibbs alone would have been enough to turn last nights game around.

I think the Blues back line coach has to take a lot of credit. Henderson really looked good last night in the bits I saw. And others have said it but Duigan was a superb mature aged pick up and Laidler was the perfect steal from another club, as well as Yarran having a good season in his first as a defender.

Garlett was electric in the first half of the year - and I'd love to have a player like him at the dogs

I was a little surprised that Andrew Russell fall out of favour as he'd seemingly become a solid player. They have many others who have plenty of improvement left in them, particularly bigger guys like Watson, Tuohy, Warnock, Kruezer etc

If they can land a couple more good kids and there young core continues to improve they will challenge again in 2012.

Rumour is Jordan Russel has signed with GWS and that is why he's not getting a game.

[Topdog]

Who is suggesting that?

half of the media. They talk about him like he is one of the greats.

[macca]

david ellard kicked 2 important goals last night , he knows how to find the ball. Warnock was good last night and his had a pretty good season for someone who could not get on the park for 2 of the previous seasons. Freo must now be spewing they let him go. Marcs Davies is a tough nut as well. In addtion to Duigan, Laidler and Robinson the blues have been very astute at picking up these players. Henderson , has been a good trade as part of fev deal.

[Remi Moses]

Honestly Waite's hit or miss, Kruezer's coming back from a knee reco.
Gibbs was the big out, still think their short in the key posts
( o'hailpan spare me!)

[mjp]

Honestly Waite's hit or miss, Kruezer's coming back from a knee reco.
Gibbs was the big out, still think their short in the key posts
( o'hailpan spare me!)

Agree with all that - and Waite is hit and miss but he is a lot more capable than O'Hailpan (which was where I was coming from originally)...

[Topdog]

Agree with all that - and Waite is hit and miss but he is a lot more capable than O'Hailpan (which was where I was coming from originally)...

sorry if it appeared that was a pot shot at you. Just sick of hearing about Waite every time I turn on the tv / radio and his greatness.

[mjp]

sorry if it appeared that was a pot shot at you. Just sick of hearing about Waite every time I turn on the tv / radio and his greatness.

Not at all - just wasn't sure of the context.

[Sedat]

I rate Yarran the best half back in the business and one of the best players in the comp. His drive from the back half ignites the play and sets up so many midfield and forward thrusts. He is also not predictable so he is hard to contain and the Blues forward structure is perfect for him with so many targets to aim at. He's simply fantastic.
Yarran does get a few kicked on him (Nicoski kicked 3 last night) but he creates so much drive out of defence. His next challenge is to learn how to defend one-on-one because teams will continue to try and isolate him deep in defensive 50 and stifle his rebound.

Carlton will be contenders for the next 2-3 seasons. Thankfully they haven't got a top echelon tactician as their coach becaue I would just about pencil them in for a flag otherwise.

[Rocco Jones]

Yarran isn't just a good kick, he is one of the smartest kicks I've seen. He chips, weights his passes, threads needles, hits a long bomb, his kicking is so versatile and he uses it perfectly. HBF are often compared to Quarterbacks but he reminds me of a tradition number 10 in soccer who knows where his teammates are going before they do and just sends them on their way.

[Maddog37]

The only little niggle I have with Yarran at the moment is he kicks to players solely so he can get it back rather than always taking the best option and is doing it more often.

Nit picking but I feel he is a little selfish in the Buckley mould.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I feel filthy even knowing this thread is on woof let alone contributing to it.
Blues = smug, corrupt filth.

The Richard Pratt cup??? FFS.

[ledge]

I feel filthy even knowing this thread is on woof let alone contributing to it.
Blues = smug, corrupt filth.

The Richard Pratt cup??? FFS.

yeah bra cup

[Remi Moses]

I feel filthy even knowing this thread is on woof let alone contributing to it.
Blues = smug, corrupt filth.

The Richard Pratt cup??? FFS.

Is that for the biggest adultrer or collusion cup?

[MrMahatma]

What about the team that beat them on the weekend. They've shown a few improvements this year.

[GVGjr]

I think people are being distracted by the Blues performance over the weekend.
I'm more interested in how and why they have improved so much. They really look like a top class team now.

[The Underdog]

I think people are being distracted by the Blues performance over the weekend.
I'm more interested in how and why they have improved so much. They really look like a top class team now.

There's been significant improvement from guys like Robinson & Yarran. Scotland has become a better player than I thought he had any right to be, Murphy is truly elite and their midfield probably compares with Geelong of the past five years for quality depth. I think the additions of Duigan and Laidler have added toughness and structure and the improvement of Jamison to top line defender means their backline has become a strength where it was previously a weakness. Their key forward spots are still the biggest issue but realistically given Thornton showed something there, if they get Waite and Kreuzer fit, they have enough improvement to go top 4 next year and be a serious premiership contender.
God that hurts to say...I hate Carlton so much.

[bornadog]

Carlton have indicated they need a big marking forward and are thinking of targeting Chris Dawes.