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The Doctor
20-09-2011, 11:25 AM
It will be interesting to see who he brings with him to join the coaching panel.
As far as I know Williams is contracted for another season but don't know about the others. I'm sure he would want several changes so that the 'refresh' is done properly.
Mofra
20-09-2011, 11:31 AM
If http://www.woof.net.au/forum/showpost.php?p=242121&postcount=138
this is correct Williams may not want to stay
kruder
20-09-2011, 11:36 AM
Lets hope its correct!
Bulldog Revolution
20-09-2011, 12:40 PM
all rumour and innuendo, lets wait and see what the man himself decides
bornadog
20-09-2011, 12:45 PM
Williams and Monty have one year left on their contracts and Dean's is up.
GVGjr
20-09-2011, 12:55 PM
Williams and Monty have one year left on their contracts and Dean's is up.
There is a chance that Williams might end up at Collingwood.
LostDoggy
20-09-2011, 01:04 PM
There is a chance that Williams might end up at Collingwood.
Not sure if that's sarcasm? Thought Buckley and Williams hated each other.
LostDoggy
20-09-2011, 02:06 PM
Not sure if that's sarcasm? Thought Buckley and Williams hated each other.
Must have gone sour at some point then because I saw them stumble around the corner together pissed at the casino in Hobart one night in about 98 or 99
Throughandthrough
20-09-2011, 02:09 PM
Will McCartneys assistants be his Wing men *
* excellent joke that didnt quite work. But feel free to use and improve.
LostDoggy
20-09-2011, 02:18 PM
Must have gone sour at some point then because I saw them stumble around the corner together pissed at the casino in Hobart one night in about 98 or 99
Bucks was the reason Williams left the pies.
OLD SCRAGGer
20-09-2011, 03:43 PM
Personally, I HOPE they get rid of Montgomery!!!
G-Mo77
20-09-2011, 05:02 PM
Personally, I HOPE they get rid of Montgomery!!!
Why?
I'd be surprised to see Williams and Dean there. Nothing against Dean as I think he's done a fantastic job but being out of contract you'd think he wouldn't be there next year and McCartney would bring one of his troops to replace him.
bornadog
20-09-2011, 05:17 PM
Personally, I HOPE they get rid of Montgomery!!!
I agree.
G-Mo77
20-09-2011, 05:19 PM
I agree.
Again Why?
Because he called out Bwian?
Why?
I'd be surprised to see Williams and Dean there. Nothing against Dean as I think he's done a fantastic job but being out of contract you'd think he wouldn't be there next year and McCartney would bring one of his troops to replace him.
The way he spoke about Lake and Eade for a start.
G-Mo77
20-09-2011, 05:21 PM
The way he spoke about Lake and Eade for a start.
Don't remember what he said about Eade. What was it?
Don't remember what he said about Eade. What was it?
That his game plan was out dated, this was in a radio interview early in the season.
Bulldog Revolution
20-09-2011, 05:40 PM
Monty is very forthright, and might have been better to hold his tongue a little, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of him. He is nobody's yes man.
G-Mo77
20-09-2011, 05:42 PM
That his game plan was out dated, this was in a radio interview early in the season.
Well both comments should have been kept behind closed doors even though I'd find it hard to argue against both comments that he made.
Well both comments should have been kept behind closed doors even though I'd find it hard to argue against both comments that he made.
I agree with the statement, but you can't go around saying that in the media and expect to be able to have a healthy working relationship with Lake and Eade.
LostDoggy
20-09-2011, 06:01 PM
I notice that Scott West has been given his marching orders by Neeld from Melbourne. I just hope we dont go and offer him a role at the Dogs.
Would prefer to see McCartney surround himself with assistants that have experienced finals success.
stefoid
20-09-2011, 08:11 PM
Cant we just offer Dean another contract? Our backline has been great until it got simultaneously injured.
Bulldog Revolution
20-09-2011, 08:26 PM
I agree with the statement, but you can't go around saying that in the media and expect to be able to have a healthy working relationship with Lake and Eade.
That's more to the point, but the real question is does Monty have something to offer? I have no exposure to what goes on inside so I don't know.
I know that I liked him as a player and person
G-Mo77
20-09-2011, 08:33 PM
Cant we just offer Dean another contract? Our backline has been great until it got simultaneously injured.
There was nothing left of it last season so it was pretty hard for Dean to put something together. I'd have no problem with him getting another contract.
ReLoad
20-09-2011, 08:33 PM
Going out on a limb here, I'd like to see Neil Craig come on board.
We probably cant afford him, but hey :)
MrMahatma
20-09-2011, 08:50 PM
The contract situation seems funny. I mean, more often than not a new head coach wants to bring in people he feels comfortable working with - build his own team.
So why would you put assistant coaches on contracts that end at different times to the head coach? IE: Why weren't all Eade's assistants up for contract renewal this year? Perhaps because the risk they'd all walk at once?
Or is there a clause in the assistant coaching contract that says "if head coach changes, your contract may be terminated at any time"...?
Rance Fan
20-09-2011, 08:52 PM
I'd like to have Westy as an assistant!
We struggled to get thru zones/presses etc this season
With Scotts basketball and AFL background i reckon he would bring something to the table.
He as a player always managed to find a way out of tight situations.
FrediKanoute
20-09-2011, 09:57 PM
I'd like to have Westy as an assistant!
We struggled to get thru zones/presses etc this season
With Scotts basketball and AFL background i reckon he would bring something to the table.
He as a player always managed to find a way out of tight situations.
Yeah, but can he teach that to a young player? My impressions of Westy, and these are just impressions formed through watching his play, demeanour etc was that Westy was a very introverted person, not great at imparting knowledge, more one to get on with things. I'm not sure he's who we really want.
SonofScray
20-09-2011, 11:08 PM
Not sure what to make of this talk about Williams and Monty, but I certainly got the impression he would be putting together his own team of assistants. Maybe even bringing in a few new roles into the coaching department.
I found it interesting that he has been described as a tactical type of guy, and a one on one, interpersonal style coach as well.For mine they sit with two different mind sets, one is more likely to work with what he's got, the other probably has a bigger picture and develops the list/ system.
I get the impression he players might benefit from a new coach who isn't so much in your face but has some very clear roles and expectations for everyone.Which I'm sure Rocket had anyway but maybe even fresh slant on things is enough.
Bulldog Revolution
21-09-2011, 09:33 AM
Not sure what to make of this talk about Williams and Monty, but I certainly got the impression he would be putting together his own team of assistants.
After having been mostly unimpressed with Williams albeit not having much insight into his work, I thought he did a good job whilst caretaking. I wouldn't be opposed to him staying.
Monty was perhaps a bit too forthright, but again the question for me is, can he coach? does he have something to offer? I like his preparedness to challenge the status quo.
It will be interesting to see who McCartney brings in. I hope he does bring some of his own people and addresses areas like list management, player development etc.
Mofra
21-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Cant we just offer Dean another contract? Our backline has been great until it got simultaneously injured.
Eade should take a lot of the credit for that - he played most of the group together in his first two seasons at the club, even knowing it would occasionbally leak goals, so they could start to anticipate each other's movements which helps judging when to peel off, when to play man on man, when to guard space etc.
Reading McCartney's past comments to Milburn & Scarlett, I suspect McCartney will also be big on this.
LostDoggy
21-09-2011, 11:54 AM
I notice that Scott West has been given his marching orders by Neeld from Melbourne. I just hope we dont go and offer him a role at the Dogs.
Would prefer to see McCartney surround himself with assistants that have experienced finals success.
This is becoming the new WOOF buzzphrase: “Experienced finals success.” All of our current assistants have done: we were in the last 3 prelims before this season. The phrase just reeks of desperation, and good decisions aren't made whilst desperate.
I just want the best men for the job. Just because somebody hasn't done something before doesn't mean they can't do it.
The only good reason I see for new coaches to bring their own team along is because they have a good working relationship with those blokes, and that's about all. It can be a positive or a negative.
Nuggety Back Pocket
21-09-2011, 02:34 PM
I'd like to have Westy as an assistant!
We struggled to get thru zones/presses etc this season
With Scotts basketball and AFL background i reckon he would bring something to the table.
He as a player always managed to find a way out of tight situations.
I would certainly favour Scott West's return. A 7 times B&f winner almost puts him in the Hird, Buckley, Voss class. At times it appears that we are inclined to under value our own product.
Leon Cameron's time at the Bulldogs was productive and I am sure that West has the right fibre and knowledge to add value. Geelong have been most successful in surrounding itself with assistants who have come through its own territory.
Remi Moses
21-09-2011, 02:36 PM
I'd like to have Westy as an assistant!
We struggled to get thru zones/presses etc this season
With Scotts basketball and AFL background i reckon he would bring something to the table.
He as a player always managed to find a way out of tight situations.
How is a coach from a side who couldn't or didn't implement a forward flood, any good for us?
I'd like McCartney to pick his own assistants, not club favourite sons.
Nuggety Back Pocket
21-09-2011, 04:29 PM
How is a coach from a side who couldn't or didn't implement a forward flood, any good for us?
I'd like McCartney to pick his own assistants, not club favourite sons.
A bit rough to blame Scott West for Melbourne's poor year. A lack of talent would be more like it. It will be interesting to see if they can lift under a new coach. Their late season loss to Port Adelaide simply served to highlight an ordinary list.
Cyberdoggie
21-09-2011, 04:37 PM
Cant we just offer Dean another contract? Our backline has been great until it got simultaneously injured.
In terms of 1 on 1 defensive work they have been good, but if you add the ability to rebound and get the ball into the f50 then we suck.
Not sure if it's Dean's fault but the writing has been on the cards for a long time in this area. Will be interesting what McCartney does, as we have a real old v new v need something from trade to fill this void situation that he has to address before trade season.
Mantis
21-09-2011, 05:01 PM
In terms of 1 on 1 defensive work they have been good, but if you add the ability to rebound and get the ball into the f50 then we suck.
Not sure if it's Dean's fault but the writing has been on the cards for a long time in this area. Will be interesting what McCartney does, as we have a real old v new v need something from trade to fill this void situation that he has to address before trade season.
In 2010 we had Hargrave, Gilbee, Harbrow, Wood & Lake providing rebound from defence.
When shit hit the fan early in 2011 none of these players were in our back half.
ledge
21-09-2011, 05:38 PM
I think at one stage we had a combined backline of 62 games and Picken had 52 of them.
Had a whole new backline within a year, this years backline cannot be judged, only on learning experience.
LostDoggy
21-09-2011, 08:22 PM
This is becoming the new WOOF buzzphrase: “Experienced finals success.” All of our current assistants have done: we were in the last 3 prelims before this season. The phrase just reeks of desperation, and good decisions aren't made whilst desperate.
I just want the best men for the job. Just because somebody hasn't done something before doesn't mean they can't do it.
The only good reason I see for new coaches to bring their own team along is because they have a good working relationship with those blokes, and that's about all. It can be a positive or a negative.
More to the point ...... I have a fear of our clubs history with favourite sons.
Hopefully Brendan surrounds himself with his "own" coaching team.
1eyedog
21-09-2011, 08:42 PM
Yeah, but can he teach that to a young player? My impressions of Westy, and these are just impressions formed through watching his play, demeanour etc was that Westy was a very introverted person, not great at imparting knowledge, more one to get on with things. I'm not sure he's who we really want.
You must be a profiler then:rolleyes:
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