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Staggered Wood didn't play earlier in the year . Way better player than Turner .
Wonder what Roscoe thinks ? Vardy would be a permanent figure in the Tom Williams injury centre, and I reckon the Roughy Big Tom combo is going well . Tom Lamb from West Coast looking to come home
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Thought I read some somewhere Vardy is staying at Leicester
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Remi Moses
Staggered Wood didn't play earlier in the year . Way better player than Turner .
Wonder what Roscoe thinks ? Vardy would be a permanent figure in the Tom Williams injury centre, and I reckon the Roughy Big Tom combo is going well . Tom Lamb from West Coast looking to come home
I like Vardy's talent, but unless it's a low pick it's a big gamble due to his constant injuries. Lamb is an interesting one as I don't know what AFL position he will play and how good. His punch and suspension in his final TAC year still sticks with me as regard to what is going on in between his ears.
It's a shame there's nothing too much in the free agency cabinet this year.
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bulldogtragic
I like Vardy's talent, but unless it's a low pick it's a big gamble due to his constant injuries. Lamb is an interesting one as I don't know what AFL position he will play and how good. His punch and suspension in his final TAC year still sticks with me as regard to what is going on in between his ears.
It's a shame there's nothing too much in the free agency cabinet this year.
Lamb's got a bit of the Everitt's about him , and was reported to have a bit off an attitude.
Jon Ralph has us as one of the club's circling Hurley, which would be interesting .
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Remi Moses
Lamb's got a bit of the Everitt's about him , and was reported to have a bit off an attitude.
Jon Ralph has us as one of the club's circling Hurley, which would be interesting .
Hurley would be a huge get, I just read the article and surely we are a better option than North or Adelaide for him. Even more so great is that his status is a delisted free agent and only costs us wages. This would be my priority, and also look at possibly trading our first rounder to go after a ready made midfield gun.
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Man, snaring Hurley as a FA would be unbelievable.
If this happens, I'd look to offload our first for a star (Hill, Walters caliber) and just go all out next year. Plus add Crameri!
Time to earn your money, JMac.
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comrade
Man, snaring Hurley as a FA would be unbelievable.
If this happens, I'd look to offload our first for a star (Hill, Walters caliber) and just go all out next year.
Time to earn your money, JMac.
It's the stuff of our dreams really. Look to have Collins & Fletch competing for full back. Hurley at CHB. Morris 3rd tall with Cordy to takeover when he retires. Wood & Adams as athletic tall intercept defenders. Hamling for depth. Too many rebounders to mention.
Someone like Dion Prestia in the guts or Steve Hill on a wing would be amazing for our first rounder (inc. some tweaks). Would we roll the dice with our 2017 first rounder (hopefully 14-18) on someone like Wood, or second rounder (hopefully 32-38) and a 23-28 player (Jong etc) on someone like McStay?
Provided we aren't looking at any other free agents that's 5 or 6 players we need gone from the primary list with a trade & free agent. Minson, Prudden, Jong and two/three more (maybe from M. Boyd, Hamilton, Hamling, Honeychurch, Hrovat).
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Apparently Lin Jong was seen touring the Collingwood facilities last week before the Sydney game. Being uncontracted will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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azabob
Apparently Lin Jong was seen touring the Collingwood facilities last week before the Sydney game. Being uncontracted will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I think a few clubs would be after him. A bidding war would be a good thing, if not a little fanciful on my part.
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azabob
Apparently Lin Jong was seen touring the Collingwood facilities last week before the Sydney game. Being uncontracted will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Are negotiations allowed to be so overt during the season? I thought discussions during the season were only allowed to be whispered sweet nothings between club and player agent?
I'd be really disappointed if one of our guys was waltzing through another clubs facility. Not sure how necessary it would be for a player to have to physically get a set of eyes on Collingwood's facilities to know how well they are kitted out.
I suspect this might be bs.
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Is that kosher?
Keep your eye on the prize and leave that shite until after the season. If you're not on board, you can play at Footscray for the rest of the year.
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Lin is our multicultural ambassador. If he was at Collingwood HQ, it may have been for an AFL meeting in that role.
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F'scary
Lin is our multicultural ambassador. If he was at Collingwood HQ, it may have been for an AFL meeting in that role.
I thought it might have been some official role. Collingwood would be stupid to parade an opposition player through their facility during the season.
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Twodogs
I thought it might have been some official role. Collingwood would be stupid to parade an opposition player through their facility during the season.
We did it with Boyd apparently and he was still under contract.
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Twodogs
Collingwood are stupid
edited for accuracy after all they gave away their future for Treloar to GWS. Of all clubs why would you do it for them? Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots.
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Western Bulldogs midfielder Lin Jong tours Collingwood facilities midseason
Jay Clark, Herald Sun
WESTERN Bulldogs midfielder Lin Jong toured Collingwood’s facilities in the days before he played in the Dogs’ pulsating win over Sydney on Saturday.
The out-of-contract Bulldog met with a Magpies official after hours at the Holden Centre last week as he weighs up his footballing future.
Clubs are permitted to talk to rival players and their managers, but stepping inside a rival club in-season is uncommon.
The Bulldogs have attempted to re-sign Jong this season, but they have been unable to agree to terms.
Jong, 23, has not reached any agreement with the Magpies, but is believed to be considering his options.
Sources close to the 188cm hard-nut confirmed the night-time visit to Collingwood’s Olympic Park headquarters.
Lin Jong gets a kick away against North Melbourne.
The ball-winner has been in and out of the Bulldogs’ senior team, playing seven AFL games this season.
He had 20 possessions and three clearances in the thrilling win over the Swans.
Jong has played 30 AFL games in five seasons at the kennel and could move elsewhere for more senior opportunities next year.
Gold Coast chased the No.9 pick in the 2009 rookie draft in last year’s trade period, but he turned the Suns down.
Despite high hopes for 2016, the growing depth on the Bulldogs’ list has pushed Jong to the fringes of senior selection.
The Oakleigh product was also suspended for two matches for making high contact to young Giant Matthew Buntine in Round 9.
Jong underwent groin surgery in the off-season and said he wanted to model his game on Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield.
“The way he uses his speed is something I’d really like to do,” Jong told the AFL website in March.
“The coaches tell me to use my speed as much as I can and break away from packs a bit more.
“Patrick is such a great player and I aspire to be a better player and keep improving, so I like to adapt my game to his.”
How Collingwood could secure Jong in either this year’s trade or draft periods remains unclear.
Collingwood does not have a first-round pick in this year’s draft after using it to secure star midfielder Adam Treloar last year.
The club also needs to amass draft points if it is to nab father-son propositions Callum Brown and Josh Daicos, so any trade move for Jong would be difficult.
However, out-of-contract ruckman Jarrod Witts could be put up for trade to bolster the Magpies’ position. Full-back Nathan Brown is also a free agent this year.
Western Bulldogs officials met with recruit Tom Boyd at Peter Gordon’s house in 2014, midway through Boyd’s first season at Greater Western Sydney.
Neither the Dogs or the Pies would comment.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...c0e8bab56946f0
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Witts? Is he any good? Is the suggestion in the article Jong is worth a first rounder??
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Twodogs
I thought it might have been some official role. Collingwood would be stupid to parade an opposition player through their facility during the season.
They often are
EDIT: Beaten to it by the Doc'
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Bidding war between Pies and GC? I could live with that.
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The Doctor
edited for accuracy after all they gave away their future for Treloar to GWS. Of all clubs why would you do it for them? Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots.
I don't know. What a boneheaded thing to do.
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If true then it is not on doing this sort of stuff mid season. Agree with Comrade, back to Footscray.
In Stevens, Out Jong (if true)
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Wow. I sure am an expert on stupid.
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bornadog
If true then it is not on doing this sort of stuff mid season. Agree with Comrade, back to Footscray.
In Stevens, Out Jong (if true)
Not a fan of this. Reactionary/punitive/un-Beveridge mantra.
We don't know contract we offered Jong but in all likelihood a one year deal, probably not ok much coin. He isn't a star, he is in career survival mode. He isn't deciding on how rich he wants to be. Obviously I prefer this to not come out but some players can afford to be loyal and some can't. Let's be realistic. We know Jong is a good citizen. Let's not burn him. Sometimes 'good guys' need to leave. Look at how strong clubs treat players who want to leave for career reasons. Hawks and Swans are good examples.
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I would suggest that it happens more than we would like to admit.. Agree with Rocco that our deal could have been bare bones and he is looking to secure his future... I have no issue with that.. Will be interesting to see how the club reacts.
I think he has been pretty good in our last 2 games against elite opposition and on form he stays in.. Hopefully if his form continues we can put forward a more attractive deal, but in all likelihood he is the type of player that will probably be squeezed out as we begin to feel salary cap pressure.
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Mantis
I would suggest that it happens more than we would like to admit.. Agree with Rocco that our deal could have been bare bones and he is looking to secure his future... I have no issue with that.. While be interesting to see how the club reacts.
I think he has been pretty good in our last 2 games against elite opposition and on form he stays in.. Hopefully if his form continues we can put forward a more attractive deal, but in all likelihood he is the type of player that will probably be squeezed out as we begin to feel salary cap pressure.
Yep, agree with this.
If he's best 22 at any given time then he's best 22, irrespective of our plans next year. We've still got a premiership to try and win.
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westdog54
If he's best 22 at any given time then he's best 22, irrespective of our plans next year. We've still got a premiership to try and win.
It was pretty well known that Suckling was going to leave Hawthorn last year, he may well have even visited our club through the year, but he remained within their best 22 and was influential in helping them make a GF whilst the coaching staff probably knew he was out the door when the season ceased.. I hope we take this lead, we know that post season can lead to crazy stuff (2014), but whilst the season is going it's business as usual and players should be picked on form and the role they play.. Nothing else.
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Mantis
It was pretty well known that Suckling was going to leave Hawthorn last year, he may well have even visited our club through the year, but he remained within their best 22 and was influential in helping them make a GF whilst the coaching staff probably knew he was out the door when the season ceased.. I hope we take this lead, we know that post season can lead to crazy stuff (2014), but whilst the season is going it's business as usual and players should be picked on form and the role they play.. Nothing else.
From what I read Brisbane and us were all over Suckling last season.
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Perhaps this is a deliberate action from Lin's camp to highlight his value in the market place. Perhaps they are sick of bare bones contracts and are trying to draw something more substantial.
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I also think this is him trying to get a better offer from Bulldogs as previously said he more than likely got 1 yr offer. Don't blame him trying to secure his future.
Doubt he would go interstate as I believe he is very close to family.
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If he was open and honest about seeking offers and touring clubs, no problems. If it was clandestine, I have an issue with it and I'm sure Bevo would too
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The Doctor
edited for accuracy after all they gave away their future for Treloar to GWS. Of all clubs why would you do it for them? Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots.
Don't know that I agree with 'Traded away their future for Treloar'.
Treloar is a proven star and will be one of the best players in the competition for some time. You have to give up something to get a star from another club.
"Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots"....guess the Bulldogs are idiots too then.
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Ozza
Don't know that I agree with 'Traded away their future for Treloar'.
Treloar is a proven star and will be one of the best players in the competition for some time. You have to give up something to get a star from another club.
"Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots"....guess the Bulldogs are idiots too then.
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
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Mantis
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
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hujsh
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
Yep. The like for like comparison values Gryphone & his fused spine at pick 5. It's all moot now. We've all made our bed and we have to get the best out of Boyd & Collingwood with Treloar.
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Mantis
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
Griffen was leaving anyway, his back is shot. In effect we gave pick 6 for a pick 1 plus a player past his best.
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hujsh
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
Griffen was still our best player when he left, as seen by his last game in our colours.. His finish to that season was very good and it wasn't a sure thing that his body would have the issues that it has.
We gave up pick 6 + our best player + our best players wage for Boyd.
Coll gave up 2 x 1st round picks (not certain to be top 10 selections) for Treloar + a 2nd rd pick.
I stand by by statement that we gave up more.
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I thought Griff had a very disappointing season and was severely hampered by an ongoing condition, his best years were behind him and thats certainly been the case. I was very happy for the trade. We had plenty of salary cap space at the time too to absorb his wage into the following season.
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comrade
If he was open and honest about seeking offers and touring clubs, no problems. If it was clandestine, I have an issue with it and I'm sure Bevo would too
This. A lot depends on whether the club knew prior to the tour.
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As I said in the other thread, if 10 players were out of contract would WOOFers be happy they were touring other clubs? Where do you draw the line?
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OK, so now who do we think is in the gun. Personally, main list only its:
Jong
Prudden
Hrovat
Honeychurch
Dale
Hamling
Hamilton
I think that looking at the draft and who we are expecting to pick up as father sons over the next 3 years, we will be looking to move on midfielders who haven't cemented a spot - Romero, West, Kellet, Libba #2 are all expected to make the grade so there is a good chance we will need to make room in the smalls area.
Prudden may get a rookie shot; Rourke Smith they like and will get another rookie year.