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Twodogs
I'm not that worried about whether he's a good bloke. I just want to watch him play football not be my best mate.
Watching that vid, god he was good. What I meant was someone that didn't disrupt the club. Would be great if some how we got Josh Kelly, who is also besties with The Bont.
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bornadog
Watching that vid, god he was good. What I meant was someone that didn't disrupt the club. Would be great if some how we got Josh Kelly, who is also besties with The Bont.
Yeah true. It's important that everyone is at least working in the same direction.
I think we've seen perfect examples of both sides of the coin in the last 18 months.
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bornadog
If they can make you a 15 minute highlight video then you could probably seriously play.
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Aker was an outstanding footballer, but a narcissist and attention seeker who from an early age played that role whilst being an elite runner and footballer, but never matured.
Just read his first book to find out what I'm talking about, if you don't want to take my word for it.
Jesus he could play though.
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It's funny what a kid can pick up. Me and my (at the time) 7 year old were watching a Brisbane game on TV in 2005 or 6 or whenever Aker fell out with Brisbane when he says "dad why won't they give it to Aker? He keeps getting by himself but the others won't give it to him." Then a couple of days later Aker walks out.
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Barrett has Melbourne leading the race for Lever. Sounds like his dad gets around a fair bit as he is apparently "well known" down at the demons
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bulldogsthru&thru
Barrett has Melbourne leading the race for Lever. Sounds like his dad gets around a fair bit as he is apparently "well known" down at the demons
Maybe he uses body doubles like Saddam Hussein and Charlie Chaplin?
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I admit to having never actually seen him play but looking at potentially undervalued players would Matt Scharenberg be of interest to us?
Half back flanker, nice kick and size (191cm), top 10 pick, has barely played for Collingwood and has been dropped this week after a season of not being selected despite good VFL performances and a 21 possession game last week. He must be frustrated and while the logical move is for him to return to a SA club, we could potentially steal him for not very much.
As an example of his worth, Nathan Freeman from the same draft (pick 10) went to St.Kilda two seasons ago for a second round pick. Could possibly have similar value to Webb should he leave.
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Not sure soupaman, Freeman would probably be a no because he just can't get on the park, Scharenberg might have some appeal but I think the Pies will stick with him.
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soupaman
I admit to having never actually seen him play but looking at potentially undervalued players would Matt Scharenberg be of interest to us?
Half back flanker, nice kick and size (191cm), top 10 pick, has barely played for Collingwood and has been dropped this week after a season of not being selected despite good VFL performances and a 21 possession game last week. He must be frustrated and while the logical move is for him to return to a SA club, we could potentially steal him for not very much.
As an example of his worth, Nathan Freeman from the same draft (pick 10) went to St.Kilda two seasons ago for a second round pick. Could possibly have similar value to Webb should he leave.
I believe he was passed by other teams because of ankle or leg problems, Collingwood took the punt and he has suffered injuries all
Through his short career
Too much a gamble but if he was to get over his injuries he is definitley a very good player.
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Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?
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soupaman
I admit to having never actually seen him play but looking at potentially undervalued players would Matt Scharenberg be of interest to us?
Half back flanker, nice kick and size (191cm), top 10 pick, has barely played for Collingwood and has been dropped this week after a season of not being selected despite good VFL performances and a 21 possession game last week. He must be frustrated and while the logical move is for him to return to a SA club, we could potentially steal him for not very much.
As an example of his worth, Nathan Freeman from the same draft (pick 10) went to St.Kilda two seasons ago for a second round pick. Could possibly have similar value to Webb should he leave.
Maybe not Scharenberg specifically but his type, tall and a good kick is exactly the type of player we should be considering for our midfield. I'd really like a goalkicking mid. I'd really like a goalkicking anything ATM.
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GVGjr
Not sure soupaman, Freeman would probably be a no because he just can't get on the park, Scharenberg might have some appeal but I think the Pies will stick with him.
Freeman is merely an example of possible cost to acquire Scharenberg. Freeman has possibly been uninjured for maybe 2 months of his 4 year playing career thus far so I have no interest in him.
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Yeah I'd be happy to pick him up but probably for a third round pick only.
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Whisper that Brisbane aren't as confident of keeping Rockliff as they were a few weeks ago . Wonder if he's on our radar
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Remi Moses
Whisper that Brisbane aren't as confident of keeping Rockliff as they were a few weeks ago . Wonder if he's on our radar
I hope so. It's a win-win. Let him chase a flag (costing the new club only salary) and let them get great compo for this rebuild, which looks to be working.
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We need some depth at the ruck position, would Tippett be worth having a chat to providing the Swans paid some of his contract?
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GVGjr
We need some depth at the ruck position, would Tippett be worth having a chat to providing the Swans paid some of his contract?
On first thoughts, not really. His ruck work is average and his forward work is average.
On second thoughts, it would give us some flexibility with Roughead and T. Boyd all capable of playing multiple positions.
On third thoughts, he'd still cost too much in terms of $$.
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The Bulldogs Bite
On first thoughts, not really. His ruck work is average and his forward work is average.
On second thoughts, it would give us some flexibility with Roughead and T. Boyd all capable of playing multiple positions.
On third thoughts, he'd still cost too much in terms of $$.
While I can't see it happening apparently we don't rate the ruck position that highly so Tippett would just need to be competitive
He would give us some flexibility and I think the Swans would consider paying a chunk of his contract.
The real downside is that he is already 30 and his form is wavering but he could be a decent short term option until English is better prepared to handle the ruck duties.
Gary Buckenara suggested that we should again have a look at Lobbe and even suggested Pittard might provide us some run.
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GVGjr
While I can't see it happening apparently we don't rate the ruck position that highly so Tippett would just need to be competitive
He would give us some flexibility and I think the Swans would consider paying a chunk of his contract.
The real downside is that he is already 30 and his form is wavering but he could be a decent short term option until English is better prepared to handle the ruck duties.
Gary Buckenara suggested that we should again have a look at Lobbe and even suggested Pittard might provide us some run.
There's merit in the type of player, but Tippet hasn't fired a shot for a long while and as you mentioned, he's already 30 y.o. Add that to the fact that he still won't come cheap and it's hard to see anyone touching him.
Lobbe? Where would that leave Roughead?
I prefer Williams to Pittard. The latter is very shaky under any sort of pressure.
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GVGjr
While I can't see it happening apparently we don't rate the ruck position that highly so Tippett would just need to be competitive
He would give us some flexibility and I think the Swans would consider paying a chunk of his contract.
The real downside is that he is already 30 and his form is wavering but he could be a decent short term option until English is better prepared to handle the ruck duties.
Gary Buckenara suggested that we should again have a look at Lobbe and even suggested Pittard might provide us some run.
According to the Sunday Footy Show Tippet's form is barely good enough for NEAFL level. That's why Sinclair played (and probably went past Tippet on the pecking order) against st Kilda on the weekend.
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Twodogs
According to the Sunday Footy Show Tippet's form is barely good enough for NEAFL level. That's why Sinclair played (and probably went past Tippet on the pecking order) against st Kilda on the weekend.
Strange. My mail is he kicked five in the NEAFL on the weekend.
(Not defending him... I've never rated Tippett - just pointing out what I've heard re the weekend.)
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Webby
Strange. My mail is he kicked five in the NEAFL on the weekend.
(Not defending him... I've never rated Tippett - just pointing out what I've heard re the weekend.)
May have been talking about his form leading up to the weekend and why Sydney went with Sinclair instead of Tippet for Saturday's game?
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Twodogs
May have been talking about his form leading up to the weekend and why Sydney went with Sinclair instead of Tippet for Saturday's game?
Ah yes. Makes sense. I'm with you now.
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Big No to Tippett. He has stacked on the kilo's and now lumbers around. I remember seeing him play in the Prelim a few years ago against the Hawks when he was with Adelaide. He was unstoppable in the air, taking mark after mark and getting the ball into Walker. Almost won that game on his own performance. ( I just looked up that game, Prelim 2012, he kicked 4 goals, and took 11 marks)
He has been struck down with injury, and his form has been very poor for a number of years now.
As for Lobbe, no thank you as well, I would rather have Tom Campbell that Lobbe.
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Webby
Strange. My mail is he kicked five in the NEAFL on the weekend.
(Not defending him... I've never rated Tippett - just pointing out what I've heard re the weekend.)
Sinclair played the game of his life against the Saints. Has Port's Trengrove re-signed?
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GVGjr
We need some depth at the ruck position, would Tippett be worth having a chat to providing the Swans paid some of his contract?
Do we really need more than 4. Tom Campbell improved before he was injured. Then you have Roughy and Tom Boyd. Plus Tim English who is coming along nicely in the VFL. I think we need a couple of genuine speedy players mids/forwards.
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Webby
Strange. My mail is he kicked five in the NEAFL on the weekend.
(Not defending him... I've never rated Tippett - just pointing out what I've heard re the weekend.)
Tippett kicked 5 in a 155 point win against a rabble. The lower NEAFL teams are of a very poor standard. I would take his 5 goals with a massive grain of salt.
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Bulldog4life
Do we really need more than 4. Tom Campbell improved before he was injured. Then you have Roughy and Tom Boyd. Plus Tim English who is coming along nicely in the VFL. I think we need a couple of genuine speedy players mids/forwards.
I agree with this, we have been found out slightly this year with health issues but we are still playing English in the twos so i don't see it as a big issue. If the question was "do we need to target a number one ruckmen?" then i think there is some merit.
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SlimPickens
I agree with this, we have been found out slightly this year with health issues but we are still playing English in the twos so i don't see it as a big issue. If the question was "do we need to target a number one ruckmen?" then i think there is some merit.
Yep, that's the correct question. Quality v quantity. Kind of.
We don't appear to rate the ruck position but does the coach not rate all ruckman or would he actually use a quality ruckman? (in the ruck and not as a permanent small forward)
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SlimPickens
I agree with this, we have been found out slightly this year with health issues but we are still playing English in the twos so i don't see it as a big issue. If the question was "do we need to target a number one ruckmen?" then i think there is some merit.
Yep, that's the correct question. Quality v quantity. Kind of. We already have enough ruckmen but they all have short comings at the moment be it too young or injured or whatever.
But the coaches don't appear to rate the ruck position but does the coach not rate all ruckman or would he actually use a quality ruckman? (in the ruck and not as a permanent small forward)
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Bulldog4life
Do we really need more than 4. Tom Campbell improved before he was injured. Then you have Roughy and Tom Boyd. Plus Tim English who is coming along nicely in the VFL. I think we need a couple of genuine speedy players mids/forwards.
Boyds not a full time ruckman and is needed up forward. History would say Roughead and especially Campbell are prone to injuries and given English probably needs another season to build up strength and endurance a short term option could be worth considering.
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I know he's woefully out of form now, but could Goldstein be worth considering?
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Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
I know he's woefully out of form now, but could Goldstein be worth considering?
Probably not. He is on a lot of money and apparently has a lot of off field issues.
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I know he's woefully out of form now, but could Goldstein be worth considering?
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azabob
Probably not. He is on a lot of money and apparently has a lot of off field issues.
Yeah, his salary was fix around him being the best ruck. Makes me skittish. If we are after a mature ruckman, if, then Kruezer has shown he can stay fit since we allegedly did a medical on him in 2015 when he first became a free agent. I could see Bevo liking him as a versatile ruckman. If I were BTC I'd be asking for a trade out, so a free agency in of Kruezer could work out as a big net gain on the list.
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I reckon Goldy's suffering from being the only ruck
Looks beat up for mine ,and on big coin .
Interesting Stevo tweeting that vic clubs think Lever is getable
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Lever's as on the table as JJ was. Or Hurley was, or as Aker was......... :)
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How could we convince a #1 ruckman to come to us when the sell is "we already have a Roughead/Boyd combo as our preferred option"?
We're going to have enough issues convincing Campbell to stay (if we even want to convince him, which I hope we do as his depth is important), and in fact I don't think we should be trading anyone in unless Campbell does ask for a trade. Even then it should be a second-stringer that has room for improvement and does not cost much, similar to how other clubs would view Campbell.
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jazzadogs
How could we convince a #1 ruckman to come to us when the sell is "we already have a Roughead/Boyd combo as our preferred option"?
We're going to have enough issues convincing Campbell to stay (if we even want to convince him, which I hope we do as his depth is important), and in fact I don't think we should be trading anyone in unless Campbell does ask for a trade. Even then it should be a second-stringer that has room for improvement and does not cost much, similar to how other clubs would view Campbell.
English will be a star Mark my words.
If the rumours are true about Goldstein off field I can't see him being at North next year.
They should be playing Pruess anyway in my eyes.
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bulldogtragic
Yeah, his salary was fix around him being the best ruck. Makes me skittish. If we are after a mature ruckman, if, then Kruezer has shown he can stay fit since we allegedly did a medical on him in 2015 when he first became a free agent. I could see Bevo liking him as a versatile ruckman. If I were BTC I'd be asking for a trade out, so a free agency in of Kruezer could work out as a big net gain on the list.
Kreuzer is having an excellent season but is unlikely to be going anywhere:
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The 28-year-old ruckman is enjoying one of the best seasons of his career. Attracted rival interest, particularly from Collingwood, when he was last a free agent in 2015, but is reportedly close to activating a games-based trigger clause in his existing contract that will bind him to the Blues in 2018.
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Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?
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bulldogtragic
Yeah, his salary was fix around him being the best ruck. Makes me skittish. If we are after a mature ruckman, if, then Kruezer has shown he can stay fit since we allegedly did a medical on him in 2015 when he first became a free agent. I could see Bevo liking him as a versatile ruckman. If I were BTC I'd be asking for a trade out, so a free agency in of Kruezer could work out as a big net gain on the list.
I was massively bullish on Kreuzer when he was last out of contract - at the time his value was at its lowest due to injury/form and he would have been a free agent on that $500k a season level. He is basically a better and more talented version of Huddo - that contested animal beast ruckman type who fights and scraps like an inside mid after the hitout. And he can genuinely pinch hit up forward and take a clunk.
Still a big fan but his age now makes him a less attractive proposition. Would still investigate at the end of the season.