Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
But why give up a known AFL tall for an untried kid
Why even draft then? Lets just trade all our picks for known players!
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
But why give up a known AFL tall for an untried kid. No way I would be giving up Roughy. They can have Campbell if they want a ruckman. (who is also untried)
Not suggesting we should do it, just that if they want a ruck and a key back that's who on our list they would want.
If it was up to me i'd hang on to all our picks and try and get Gumbleton for nothing in the PSD.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Why even draft then? Lets just trade all our picks for known players!
We de-list then draft, we don't give up good players, especially Talls, unless we have an abundance of one type of player. I don't see an abundance of talls at the Doggies (or good players)
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
My view is that we have to make a very strong play for Boyd, He is as cant miss as it gets with junior forwards.
I dont think GWS will trade Patton, even if its the better football decision, as I think they'll be conscious of the message that sends to the playing group - "we covet you as juniors, woo you, draft you, ask you to commit to a startup enterprise long term, then trade you in after you get injured"
With Buddy highly likely to join they are relatively set up forward (Franklin, Cameron and Patton is a great mix) they will get what they want at #3 anyway
We cant give up Minson because we'd have no viable ruckman, we wont give up Griffen or Libba, after that I think we'd be open to discussions.
Will be interesting if Leon Cameron has a former charger that he wants.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
If the Hawks lose Buddy you would think they would have their eyes on Boyd too. Again like Carlton, like St.Kilda and like us it depends what players all Clubs can offer. Of course the best draft pick a Club can swap with GWS you would imagine would count a lot too.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog Revolution
Will be interesting if Leon Cameron has a former charger that he wants.
Callan Ward... Oh wait... thats right....
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog4life
If the Hawks lose Buddy you would think they would have their eyes on Boyd too. Again like Carlton, like St.Kilda and like us it depends what players all Clubs can offer. Of course the best draft pick a Club can swap with GWS you would imagine would count a lot too.
If I was the Hawks and about to lose Buddy, i would expect the number one draft pick.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
If I was the Hawks and about to lose Buddy, i would expect the number one draft pick.
Expect yes; get no. They can max receive 1 1st rounder tied to their draft position under current rules. Unless Vlad decides to change the rules which he does every second week anyway... :)
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
chef
Not suggesting we should do it, just that if they want a ruck and a key back that's who on our list they would want.
If it was up to me i'd hang on to all our picks and try and get Gumbleton for nothing in the PSD.
Agreed. Carlton desperately need a tall forward to be a real flag hope and they have Hampson to cover the loss of Kruzer. They could also afford to throw Carazzo or another decent mid with leadership qualities to get the deal done. It's overs but watch the bidding war start once GWS have signed Buddy. Lions likewise have leuenberger and longer and would be better off with Boyd than hanging onto both. Adelaide may well throw quality leadership players into the mix.
I don't see any way we can get the deal done with the list issues we have. We can't afford to trade the players GWS would want as we have no cover. Pick 3 + crap will get trumped by one of the fringe top 8 clubs making a move. Again; if we were going to pay overs for a forward we missed the better boat with Hogan.
We need to draft and draft well for the next three years still and try to uncover our own forward during that time. Gumby would help but the issue is bigger than that it seems to me.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
As long as we don't pay overs for him. Can get an very good pick at 3 or 4.
Sheed from WA would be very handy in our midfield.
Some might say we dont' have a forward line but our ball movement/delivery and kicking skills are so poor we don't make it very easy for them.
Some quality users of pill other than Griffen and a nearly washed up Cooney might help.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Cyberdoggie
As long as we don't pay overs for him. Can get an very good pick at 3 or 4.
Sheed from WA would be very handy in our midfield.
Some might say we dont' have a forward line but our ball movement/delivery and kicking skills are so poor we don't make it very easy for them.
Some quality users of pill other than Griffen and a nearly washed up Cooney might help.
I was so impressed with Sheed on Friday. He's almost ready-made as a inside and outside midfielder. Well built and athletic with excellent left foot disposal.
Shame Patrick McCartin cleaned him up as I’d have liked to have seen him this Wednesday also.
If we can't get Operation Tom Boyd over the line we could do much worse than Dom Sheed, as this is another area of deficiency for us.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Superdog
Agreed. Carlton desperately need a tall forward to be a real flag hope and they have Hampson to cover the loss of Kruzer. They could also afford to throw Carazzo or another decent mid with leadership qualities to get the deal done. It's overs but watch the bidding war start once GWS have signed Buddy. Lions likewise have leuenberger and longer and would be better off with Boyd than hanging onto both. Adelaide may well throw quality leadership players into the mix.
I don't see any way we can get the deal done with the list issues we have. We can't afford to trade the players GWS would want as we have no cover. Pick 3 + crap will get trumped by one of the fringe top 8 clubs making a move.
Agreed. I can't believe I'm reading suggestions of Higgins and other players getting the deal done.
The only things of worth to GWS that we have are Pick 3, Minson and Griff. To get the deal done and trump the likes of Carlton it will take one or two of those.
Is it worth it? Does Boyd have that much potential?
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Agreed. I can't believe I'm reading suggestions of Higgins and other players getting the deal done.
The only things of worth to GWS that we have are Pick 3, Minson and Griff. To get the deal done and trump the likes of Carlton it will take one or two of those.
Is it worth it? Does Boyd have that much potential?
I suppose I'd add that neither Griff or Minson will be around when we are good again. And trading one of them will ensure a bottom two finnish next year.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Is it worth it? Does Boyd have that much potential?
It is a risk and I would not be prepared to take for a Minson or Griff.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
It is a risk and I would not be prepared to take for a Minson or Griff.
Agree not worth the risk. I mean lets face it, odds on we will get a pretty decent kid with pick 3 anyway. At the moment we are a team that can apply 'best available' logic as we need talent any which way we can get it (except an inside mid of course)