Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Agree not worth the risk. I mean lets face it, odds on we will get a pretty decent kid with pick 3 anyway. At the moment we are a team that can apply 'best available' logic as we need talent any which way we can get it (except an inside mid of course)
Please no more inside slow mids.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Please no more inside slow mids.
But what if they are good young men who train hard? :)
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Agree not worth the risk. I mean lets face it, odds on we will get a pretty decent kid with pick 3 anyway. At the moment we are a team that can apply 'best available' logic as we need talent any which way we can get it (except an inside mid of course)
Agreed, even if we target a tall forward.
Josh Kennedy @ 4
Mitch Clark @ 9
Michael Hurley @ 5
Jack Riewoldt @ 13
Kurt Tippett @ 32
Would like anyone of these players at FF for us.
Then there are the top 10 misses who I will leave out...
Got to do our homework to fill our greatest need and then need some luck.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
We cannot afford to trade Minson or Griffen for anything short of Ablett or Buddy.
If we trade either of them it makes us a club that is perceived by players to be disloyal, and makes the task of marketing our side impossible. These guys are our only good players. they have been holding the side together all season and are the only two realistic options as on field leaders of the club, and faces of the club.
Not to mention without them we are left in the exact same position as Melbourne has found themselves in. As good as Tom Boyd could potentially be I'm not sure the club would be healthy enough for him to fulfill that potential if either of these two players leave.
The way i see it is that the only player we have that we would be happy to give up and that they may be interested in is Easton Wood, seeing as they were reported as being into him as a backup if Ward fell through. I would be surprised if Wood plus pick 3 would be enough.
I guess our offers worth comes down to whether the player GWS want to draft is good enough that they need pick 3 to secure them meaning the bonus player we throw is is just a bonus. If another club can offer a quality player in any of those positon they require however then the pick they get becomes the bonus, which would pretty much ruin our offer.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
But why give up a known AFL tall for an untried kid. No way I would be giving up Roughy. They can have Campbell if they want a ruckman. (who is also untried)
Because it's not only the number one pick we're asking for, it's a player that is as guaranteed as they come. Yeah, he might get hit by a bus on draft day, but rotten luck aside, he's a goer. You can't just toss in Higgins and expect GWS to say, “Yeah, no worries, here you go mate, we'll take your list issues off your hands for this quality kid.”
I think Boyd is worth any player on our list, for the simple fact that he appears to be a player you can build your list around and that's what we need. Griff wants to stay though, is supremely loyal and therefore it's a dicey situation there. If GWS ask for him specifically, and/or Griff approaches the club willing to do the deal, then fine.
I love Griff, but he's not going to be in the next Bulldogs premiership side.
Think forward 5–6 years. We're in the prelim against a monster GWS side. They have Patton and Cameron as figureheads, Buddy has retired or is near the end. We don't have a key forward because we didn't have the cojones to get the trade done six years ago. We dominate across the ground but just can't kick a winning score. It's 2009 all over again.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
GWS could be very clever with a trade involving Minson or Griff + Pick 3 for Pick one.
They would then have Picks 3 and 10 and still need a quality defender among other things. If I were them, I'd then try to on-trade Pick 3 for a quality player plus their first round pick from a top eight side eg the Bombers. ie Pick 3 for player plus say pick 14.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
BornAScragger
Because it's not only the number one pick we're asking for, it's a player that is as guaranteed as they come. Yeah, he might get hit by a bus on draft day, but rotten luck aside, he's a goer. You can't just toss in Higgins and expect GWS to say, “Yeah, no worries, here you go mate, we'll take your list issues off your hands for this quality kid.”
I think Boyd is worth any player on our list, for the simple fact that he appears to be a player you can build your list around and that's what we need. Griff wants to stay though, is supremely loyal and therefore it's a dicey situation there. If GWS ask for him specifically, and/or Griff approaches the club willing to do the deal, then fine.
I love Griff, but he's not going to be in the next Bulldogs premiership side.
Think forward 5–6 years. We're in the prelim against a monster GWS side. They have Patton and Cameron as figureheads, Buddy has retired or is near the end. We don't have a key forward because we didn't have the cojones to get the trade done six years ago. We dominate across the ground but just can't kick a winning score. It's 2009 all over again.
What would Hawthorn do in this position? NB bold bit
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Agreed, even if we target a tall forward.
Josh Kennedy @ 4
Mitch Clark @ 9
Michael Hurley @ 5
Jack Riewoldt @ 13
Kurt Tippett @ 32
Would like anyone of these players at FF for us.
Then there are the top 10 misses who I will leave out...
Got to do our homework to fill our greatest need and then need some luck.
Good to read some common sense. Boyd's a player you can build a side around.
Create some excitement in the joint, and this notion of "Lets get Gumby" please!
Don't get me wrong I'm stoked with how Will is going, but I'd still trade for that pick with Will.
( know they won't go for it though)
I just don't want to sit here in 12 months still bemoaning our lack of a key forward.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
But what if they are good young men who train hard? :)
You mean quality young people, we'll keep bringing into the football club
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
GWS could be very clever with a trade involving Minson or Griff + Pick 3 for Pick one.
They would then have Picks 3 and 10 and still need a quality defender among other things. If I were them, I'd then try to on-trade Pick 3 for a quality player plus their first round pick from a top eight side eg the Bombers. ie Pick 3 for player plus say pick 14.
I'd be more inclined to offer pick #3 and Minson in exchange for pick #1 and their second round pick (circa #20), we'd get the player we want and still have a hit at an elite kid to fill another need.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
What would Hawthorn do in this position? NB bold bit
They'd do it . They did with Croad ( remember the protest at the club):eek:
Got them Luke Hodge and Croad returned
Personally wouldn't Think Griff's in their thinking due to his age.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
You mean quality young people, we'll keep bringing into the football club
Ah, I knew it was 'quality'. Good pick up Remi!
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
If I was the Hawks and about to lose Buddy, i would expect the number one draft pick.
That's not what I mean BAD. Buddy can go there as a FA. But the Hawks might still be able to put together a package of players to get the number 1 pick. They have a strong list.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Greystache
I'd be more inclined to offer pick #3 and Minson in exchange for pick #1 and their second round pick (circa #20), we'd get the player we want and still have a hit at an elite kid to fill another need.
Yep, like that and they probably wouldn't use that pick (20) anyway. Leaves them pick 3 to trade away again.
I'd do it.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Greystache
I'd be more inclined to offer pick #3 and Minson in exchange for pick #1 and their second round pick (circa #20), we'd get the player we want and still have a hit at an elite kid to fill another need.
That's at least tempting.