Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
But what if they are good young men who train hard? :)
Ths joke and it's variations ceased to be funny many moons ago. Time for some new material.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
I'd want something else thrown in if we were giving away the AA ruckman for (effectively) pick 20.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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The Bulldogs Bite
I'd want something else thrown in if we were giving away the AA ruckman for (effectively) pick 20.
The difference between 1 and 3 in this draft is quite glaring. If we want to try and get Boyd we are going to have to be bold and realistically Minson will offer the most currency. There is no way I'd trade Griffen.
Also Will isnt an AA ruckman yet.:p
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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The Bulldogs Bite
I'd want something else thrown in if we were giving away the AA ruckman for (effectively) pick 20.
If we're going to cut deep, then there's a whole lot of GWS picks at the start of each draft round they will not use.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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SlimPickens
The difference between 1 and 3 in this draft is quite glaring.
Especially for us as compared with say the Dees.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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SlimPickens
The difference between 1 and 3 in this draft is quite glaring.
Not necessarily.
If Gws pick up Buddy then I reckon it's pretty unlikely they'll draft Boyd, and seeing as Melbourne surely couldn't then he falls to pick 3.
Pick 3 could very easily equal pick 1 for us, just with added stress and contingency plans. The flaw is that if someone else secures pick 1 then we are in trouble.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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soupaman
Not necessarily.
If Gws pick up Buddy then I reckon it's pretty unlikely they'll draft Boyd, and seeing as Melbourne surely couldn't then he falls to pick 3.
Pick 3 could very easily equal pick 1 for us, just with added stress and contingency plans. The flaw is that if someone else secures pick 1 then we are in trouble.
Agreed.
It would be illogical for GWS to take Boyd if they secured Buddy, and Melbourne would be moronic to neglect their biggest need -- midfielders. The only thing Melbourne do have is KPFs.
We need a quality KPF, but let's not be irrational and reactive.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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soupaman
Not necessarily.
If Gws pick up Buddy then I reckon it's pretty unlikely they'll draft Boyd, and seeing as Melbourne surely couldn't then he falls to pick 3.
Pick 3 could very easily equal pick 1 for us, just with added stress and contingency plans. The flaw is that if someone else secures pick 1 then we are in trouble.
But they don't have to draft Boyd. They have the power to sell it to some other club who could. That's currency. If not us, they may sell it to another club who will 100% select him. I think we have to assume he's going pick 1, it's just who has it.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
But they don't have to draft Boyd. They have the power to sell it to some other club who could. That's currency. If not us, they may sell it to another club who will 100% select him. I think we have to assume he's going pick 1, it's just who has it.
Yep, which brings about the next line of thinking.
GWS clearly don't want pick 1. They don't need it, so they may as well get a free upgrade.
That means the objecive of the trade offers to GWS isn't to convince them that they should part with pick 1, but rather that you have the best deal for pick 1.
If nobody else offers a quality mature age player (and lets face it how many are tradeable) then it comes down to the best pick plus good player combo. If we have pick 3 then we clearly have the best pick, so why can't pick 3 plus someone like Wood be enough? Unless a club comes in and trumps us with a real quality player we are in the box seat.
And the keener GWS are to keep a very high draft pick (say top 5) the better for us. Then we are competing with St.Kilda who have just as little tradeable talent on their list as us except a worse draft pick, and whoever finishes 14th.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
But they don't have to draft Boyd. They have the power to sell it to some other club who could. That's currency. If not us, they may sell it to another club who will 100% select him. I think we have to assume he's going pick 1, it's just who has it.
As that article states, it's fair to say Carlton is in the race, therefore Boyd won't be dropping to us at Pick 3.
It's trade for him, or miss out.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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soupaman
Yep, which brings about the next line of thinking.
GWS clearly don't want pick 1. They don't need it, so they may as well get a free upgrade.
That means the objecive of the trade offers to GWS isn't to convince them that they should part with pick 1, but rather that you have the best deal for pick 1.
If nobody else offers a quality mature age player (and lets face it how many are tradeable) then it comes down to the best pick plus good player combo. If we have pick 3 then we clearly have the best pick, so why can't pick 3 plus someone like Wood be enough? Unless a club comes in and trumps us with a real quality player we are in the box seat.
And the keener GWS are to keep a very high draft pick (say top 5) the better for us. Then we are competing with St.Kilda who have just as little tradeable talent on their list as us except a worse draft pick, and whoever finishes 14th.
Ok. Lets assume Dogs, Aints and Lions want him. That's picks 3, 4 & 5. Without knowing the finer details of the top 5, I'd assume a top 5 pick is going to be talented. So that leaves all three clubs in the hunt. St Kilda don't really have too many names coming to mind who would command priority. Lions have Longer or Rich is theyre prepared to deal. If that occurred, I can only see Wilbur as a counter offer.
So the only conclusion I can guess is:
Giants: Pick 3 and Minson (so they get AA ruckman, AA full forward in Buddy and AA u/18 midfielder - that would tempt them at minimum)
Dogs: Picks 1 and 20 and any late rounders that GWS would pass on anyway (eg 4th and 5th rounders) (we get a once in a generation FF and another top 20 pick with late sweeteners, admitedly we have no ruck, but we could move Roughy there and trade for a KPB...)
If we are not prepared to do this, we are not even close to being in the hunt.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
Ok. Lets assume Dogs, Aints and Lions want him. That's picks 3, 4 & 5. Without knowing the finer details of the top 5, I'd assume a top 5 pick is going to be talented. So that leaves all three clubs in the hunt. St Kilda don't really have too many names coming to mind who would command priority. Lions have Longer or Rich is theyre prepared to deal. If that occurred, I can only see Wilbur as a counter offer.
So the only conclusion I can guess is:
Giants: Pick 3 and Minson
Dogs: Picks 1 and 20 and any late rounders that GWS would pass on anyway (eg 4th and 5th rounders)
If we are not prepared to do this, we are not even close to being in the hunt.
Agree with the above. Any other deals eg Pick 3 plus Wood or Higgins are just fantasy
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
Ok. Lets assume Dogs, Aints and Lions want him. That's picks 3, 4 & 5. Without knowing the finer details of the top 5, I'd assume a top 5 pick is going to be talented. So that leaves all three clubs in the hunt. St Kilda don't really have too many names coming to mind who would command priority. Lions have Longer or Rich is theyre prepared to deal. If that occurred, I can only see Wilbur as a counter offer.
So the only conclusion I can guess is:
Giants: Pick 3 and Minson (so they get AA ruckman, AA full forward in Buddy and AA u/18 midfielder - that would tempt them at minimum)
Dogs: Picks 1 and 20 and any late rounders that GWS would pass on anyway (eg 4th and 5th rounders) (we get a once in a generation FF and another top 20 pick with late sweeteners, admitedly we have no ruck, but we could move Roughy there and trade for a KPB...)
If we are not prepared to do this, we are not even close to being in the hunt.
If we parted with Minson, can Ayce become our ruck option? We wouldnt need to waste everyones time with him down forward as we would have Boyd
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogsthru&thru
If we parted with Minson, can Ayce become our ruck option? We wouldnt need to waste everyones time with him down forward as we would have Boyd
Creates options. Not sure who would get the best defenders Boyd, Jones or Ayce. Ayce or Roughy would be the obvious replacements for Wilbur, perhaps that leaves us one tall short down back. If needed we trade for a KPB. Shifting the deck chairs a little, but if you believe the hype, our future success could start and end with Boyd.
P.s. - I'm not yet saying do it, but I am saying think about it as this is the only way it's ever going to happen.
Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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bulldogtragic
Creates options. Not sure who would get the best defenders Boyd, Jones or Ayce. Ayce or Roughy would be the obvious replacements for Wilbur, perhaps that leaves us one tall short down back. If needed we trade for a KPB. Shifting the deck chairs a little, but if you believe the hype, our future success could start and end with Boyd.
P.s. - I'm not yet saying do it, but I am saying think about it as this is the only way it's ever going to happen.
No thanks. Took ten years of development to get Minson where he is. I don't want to wait ten years to see Boyd get there. (maybe)