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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
You would think it is almost 100% chance that the Medi-Sub gets a run. Whos is the best player to have an impact off the bench?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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angelopetraglia
You would think it is almost 100% chance that the Medi-Sub gets a run. Whos is the best player to have an impact off the bench?
I think VDM is the one, if fit. Otherwise Scott or Richards would both be good options.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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comrade
I think VDM is the one, if fit. Otherwise Scott or Richards would both be good options.
Roarke on ABC radio today says VDM felt a little tightness and decided to pull the pin, and thinks he is ok. However, I prefer Cody over VDM and JJ's experience
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Is it crazy. Just to reflect, that we just clocked out biggest ever finals win EVER and we now get back our Gun KPD and our outrageously talented non KPF. To make the 22/23 much better. It’s loco.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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bornadog
Roarke on ABC radio today says VDM felt a little tightness and decided to pull the pin, and thinks he is ok. However, I prefer Cody over VDM and JJ's experience
He fluffed a few decisions but I really liked VDM's pressure and productivity. Will be rough to see him miss but JJ was brilliant and Cody is a lock.
I think it comes down to Roarke and VDM for last spot in the 22, with the other as sub and my gut feel is Roarke gets the gig, given there is a real need for a defensive winger to stop Langdon.
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There's no way Roarke Smith goes out. No way. Similarly JJ who has been excellent.
In: Keath, Weightman
Out: Cordy (unlucky), VDM
Sub: Scott or VDM.
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bulldogtragic
The curve ball. Last time we played them at the MCG, we went in with Keath, Cordy & Schache as defenders for McDonald, Brown and Jackson/Gawn. So we though we needed three KPDs. Then Keath got injured and it was just Schache & Cordy. Then we won. So the question I guess is do we NEED a third KPD?
Yeah I think we do. Brown was clunking them on Friday and Jackson & Gawn were both outstanding
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boydogs
Yeah I think we do. Brown was clunking them on Friday and Jackson & Gawn were both outstanding
Melbourne structure up similarly to Port with Charlie and Marshall taking the key spots, and Ladhams/Lycett resting forward. Melbourne have Brown and McDonald, with Jackson/Gawn.
Melbourne will be a tougher assignment, but if we can again restrict entries we should be ok. Timmy got back quite a bit too when he spent time in ruck.
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I really like Roarke and in interest of keeping side settled I think he will stay in. On other hand he is likely next in line for possible replacement (after VDM for Cody and one of Cordy or Gardner for Keath). What are Richard’s defensive traits like and can he play in wing ok (vs HBF/Woody’s role)? Do you think he is any chance of replacing Roarke and perhaps Roarke bring sub? (especially if VDM hammy doubtful).
What was Richard’s injury (was it shoulder I read somewhere)?
Got a feeling if MC confident Martin can back up his PF efforts and are out 4 quarters they will want speed as medi sub and Richards has that. Both he and Roarke reasonably tall without being KP size & both can take a good mark.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Out: Cordy & VDM (both unlucky)
In: Keath & Weightman.
VDM the sub if fit.
Would love to see Wally as medi sub....but think it will be VDM or Scotty.
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From Sam’s piece in the paper today.
“Last week Beveridge personally guaranteed Cody Weightman (concussion) he would be selected for the Grand Final should the Dogs progress and Alex Keath (hamstring) is also on track to return”
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I'm just praying that Stef pulls up ok.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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comrade
I'm just praying that Stef pulls up ok.
+1 for this. Even though his game in a vacuum was kinda bad he just makes everyone walk taller. We're gonna need some physicality put into Gawn too, especially now that he's apparently a 208cm Buddy Franklin.
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Happy Days
+1 for this. Even though his game in a vacuum was kinda bad he just makes everyone walk taller. We're gonna need some physicality put into Gawn too, especially now that he's apparently a 208cm Buddy Franklin.
Our clearance and contested ball numbers were outrageous in the first 6 rounds of the season when Stef was playing. He completely smothered Lycett, who was so destructive against us in R22 - no surprise that our mids dominated with him back on the weekend.
His presence also makes English twice as dangerous as both a key forward and a relief ruckman. I wonder if the prelim was the plan all along with Stef, knowing his age and the ability to get an extra week off to freshen up, and we had to hold fort using Young and others while the cavalry arrived.
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Sedat
Our clearance and contested ball numbers were outrageous in the first 6 rounds of the season when Stef was playing. He completely smothered Lycett, who was so destructive against us in R22 - no surprise that our mids dominated with him back on the weekend.
His presence also makes English twice as dangerous as both a key forward and a relief ruckman. I wonder if the prelim was the plan all along with Stef, knowing his age and the ability to get an extra week off to freshen up, and we had to hold fort using Young and others while the cavalry arrived.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't consider this too.
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I am a big VDM fan, but you get the feeling they won’t risk him.
In: Cody, Keath
Out: VDM, Cordy
Scott the sub, can play back or forward.
Must admit I’m a bit nervous about Keath with recurring issues.
Martin has to get up. Will be interested to hear how he pulled up
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The Pie Man
I am a big VDM fan, but you get the feeling they won’t risk him.
In: Cody, Keath
Out: VDM, Cordy
Scott the sub, can play back or forward.
Must admit I’m a bit nervous about Keath with recurring issues.
Martin has to get up. Will be interested to hear how he pulled up
I heard on the weekend Keath probably could have played on Saturday, so that tells me he is right to go. (fingers crossed)
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bornadog
I heard on the weekend Keath probably could have played on Saturday, so that tells me he is right to go. (fingers crossed)
Chris Grant told Tom Morris if it was a GF he would’ve played. Just caution and only tightness. Nothing to worry about with two weeks of treatment and rehab.
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bornadog
I heard on the weekend Keath probably could have played on Saturday, so that tells me he is right to go. (fingers crossed)
If it was GF they would've risked him, but thinking after a 2 week break he'll be cherry ripe... and I guess a good thing is it was the other hammy to the one he injured in Rd.19 so not an recurring issue.
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Just on the Stef Martin discussion....it was pretty telling that Bevo mentioned how the players (midfielders) had been asking when Stef would be right to play. They obviously have a lot of faith and trust in him.
And on Keath....really interesting that 'he would have played if it was a Grand Final' which I read into as we had a lot of confidence about our Prelim prospects! Practically resting blokes :p
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Sedat
Our clearance and contested ball numbers were outrageous in the first 6 rounds of the season when Stef was playing. He completely smothered Lycett, who was so destructive against us in R22 - no surprise that our mids dominated with him back on the weekend.
His presence also makes English twice as dangerous as both a key forward and a relief ruckman. I wonder if the prelim was the plan all along with Stef, knowing his age and the ability to get an extra week off to freshen up, and we had to hold fort using Young and others while the cavalry arrived.
We're infinitely better with an actual ruckman and Stef playing is irrefutable evidence of this.
Gawn is a fine player, but surely it's impossible to replicate that quarter again. That's lightning in a bottle stuff.
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EasternWest
We're infinitely better with an actual ruckman and Stef playing is irrefutable evidence of this.
Gawn is a fine player, but surely it's impossible to replicate that quarter again. That's lightning in a bottle stuff.
I still remember that pre season game (I know) but Martin was annoying the bejesus out of Gawn at stoppages around the ground.
I was sat in pretty much the bench and you could see him continuously whinging to the umpires.
Love it he's back with a run under his belt. It will just negate the demolition scenario we saw with Stanley.
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Grantysghost
I still remember that pre season game (I know) but Martin was annoying the bejesus out of Gawn at stoppages around the ground.
I was sat in pretty much the bench and you could see him continuously whinging to the umpires.
Love it he's back with a run under his belt. It will just negate the demolition scenario we saw with Stanley.
His experience with Gawn will be massive. Played with him and then a decade or so against him. That kind of physical experience over a very long time within our number one ruck is a great thing to have. He knows his moves, his technique, how to position against him, defend him, work off him to his mids, will know the plan a & b. That real life match experience that only he has on our list.
He’s blown out the cobwebs and five frees against. 68% game time. Hopefully after two weeks he’s feeling better and can nudge over 70% game time.
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Confident Martin can provide a contest at centre bounce and stoppages, the concern is what Gawn can do running forward.
I think minimising Gawn and one of Petracca/Oliver (both ideally, but at least 1) is the real key. Do that and we win.
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bulldogtragic
His experience with Gawn will be massive. Played with him and then a decade or so against him. That kind of physical experience over a very long time within our number one ruck is a great thing to have. He knows his moves, his technique, how to position against him, defend him, work off him to his mids, will know the plan a & b. That real life match experience that only he has on our list.
He’s blown out the cobwebs and five frees against. 68% game time. Hopefully after two weeks he’s feeling better and can nudge over 70% game time.
This is a Gawn quote on Stef, Max won't have things all his own way this time.
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“Stef is purely one of the strongest players I’ve ever played,” Gawn once told the Herald Sun.
“He’s an amazingly strong person and you get caught anywhere on a bad angle with him and he’ll just put you on your ass.”
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Hopefully that’s exactly what Stef does.
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I’ve heard the name Max Gawn about 283628727 times since Friday night alone. I know Melbourne are trying to break a huge drought, and that he is their in-form captain and spiritual leader.
However.
I hope he sheds one single tear at the final siren, knowing what could have been, as our boys roar into the sky in triumph.
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I can't wait to see what the Bont can produce after a week off, it's exactly what he needed I reckon.
Good news re VDM if he does come up you still get a medal for being the sub, his attack on the ball was excellent last week deserves to play a role for mine.
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Feel sick about Wally missing out again.
Can't make the case for him to quite push into the 23.....but its a heart breaker.
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Ozza
Feel sick about Wally missing out again.
Can't make the case for him to quite push into the 23.....but its a heart breaker.
There is going to be some uncomfortably brutal hard luck stories.
I don’t know if this has been said, but I assume that an unused medical sub would still get a medal on the day? For me, if that is the case, it just strengthens the argument that everyone on the playing list should get one.
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Gawn will have Stef for aerobic capacity, he's very underrated in that department.
Let's not forget that English played virtually a solo ruck role in the last quarter against Brisbane and beat the Big O. English can run, he might be the best match up for Jackson/Gawn late in the game after Stef has softened him up.
I expect Stef will probably managed to get his TOG numbers up a bit, from say 68% against Port to 75% in the big dance.
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The Adelaide Connection
There is going to be some uncomfortably brutal hard luck stories.
I don’t know if this has been said, but I assume that an unused medical sub would still get a medal on the day? For me, if that is the case, it just strengthens the argument that everyone on the playing list should get one.
Yes the medi sub definitely gets a medal.
Will be interesting to see if the medical sub is strategically used by both (or either) team.
I would expect that someone will be told that they are doing a calf some time either side of 3 quarter time if there aren't any injuries already.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Ozza
Yes the medi sub definitely gets a medal.
Will be interesting to see if the medical sub is strategically used by both (or either) team.
I would expect that someone will be told that they are doing a calf some time either side of 3 quarter time if there aren't any injuries already.
100% guaranteed both will be used. You’d be stupid not to. There’s no game the following week so no one will even know if there was a legit injury or not.
The way things have gone for both clubs, we’ll certainly have to use ours for a legit injury whereas Melbourne will use theirs strategically.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Nathan Jones has officially retired. Hopefully they can do his career justice and lose on purpose by 120 points.
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Happy Days
Nathan Jones has officially retired. Hopefully they can do his career justice and lose on purpose by 120 points.
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The Doctor
That would be awesome as EW says.
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The Doctor
Yes please. As an aside, great Wiki... is there anything comparable for the Bulldogs out there that you know of?
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Happy Days
Nathan Jones has officially retired. Hopefully they can do his career justice and lose on purpose by 120 points.
Something very weird about his departure. I'd think he'd want to be on the ground at least celebrating if they win as his final act. I get there's a child birth at some stage a bit later on but hmmm.
He's the antithesis of Mitch Wallis.
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Grantysghost
Something very weird about his departure. I'd think he'd want to be on the ground at least celebrating if they win as his final act. I get there's a child birth at some stage a bit later on but hmmm.
He's the antithesis of Mitch Wallis.
His wife had twins within hours of him getting back to Victoria.
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comrade
His wife had twins within hours of him getting back to Victoria.
There you go. Thanks. I read here? that it wasn't until later.
Makes complete sense now.
Wallis comparison stands.