Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
The Doctor
edited for accuracy after all they gave away their future for Treloar to GWS. Of all clubs why would you do it for them? Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots.
Don't know that I agree with 'Traded away their future for Treloar'.
Treloar is a proven star and will be one of the best players in the competition for some time. You have to give up something to get a star from another club.
"Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots"....guess the Bulldogs are idiots too then.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
Ozza
Don't know that I agree with 'Traded away their future for Treloar'.
Treloar is a proven star and will be one of the best players in the competition for some time. You have to give up something to get a star from another club.
"Why make the future super power even stronger. Idiots"....guess the Bulldogs are idiots too then.
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
hujsh
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
Yep. The like for like comparison values Gryphone & his fused spine at pick 5. It's all moot now. We've all made our bed and we have to get the best out of Boyd & Collingwood with Treloar.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
On the Doc's rationale we are even bigger idiots.. At least Treloar was proven... We paid a bigger price for a speculative (abit highly talented) player.
Griffen was leaving anyway, his back is shot. In effect we gave pick 6 for a pick 1 plus a player past his best.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
hujsh
Not sure about that. 2 top 10 picks vs 1 top ten pick and an aging, past his best superstar. I'd take the 2 picks.
Griffen was still our best player when he left, as seen by his last game in our colours.. His finish to that season was very good and it wasn't a sure thing that his body would have the issues that it has.
We gave up pick 6 + our best player + our best players wage for Boyd.
Coll gave up 2 x 1st round picks (not certain to be top 10 selections) for Treloar + a 2nd rd pick.
I stand by by statement that we gave up more.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
I thought Griff had a very disappointing season and was severely hampered by an ongoing condition, his best years were behind him and thats certainly been the case. I was very happy for the trade. We had plenty of salary cap space at the time too to absorb his wage into the following season.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
comrade
If he was open and honest about seeking offers and touring clubs, no problems. If it was clandestine, I have an issue with it and I'm sure Bevo would too
This. A lot depends on whether the club knew prior to the tour.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
As I said in the other thread, if 10 players were out of contract would WOOFers be happy they were touring other clubs? Where do you draw the line?
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
OK, so now who do we think is in the gun. Personally, main list only its:
Jong
Prudden
Hrovat
Honeychurch
Dale
Hamling
Hamilton
I think that looking at the draft and who we are expecting to pick up as father sons over the next 3 years, we will be looking to move on midfielders who haven't cemented a spot - Romero, West, Kellet, Libba #2 are all expected to make the grade so there is a good chance we will need to make room in the smalls area.
Prudden may get a rookie shot; Rourke Smith they like and will get another rookie year.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
As I said in the other thread, if 10 players were out of contract would WOOFers be happy they were touring other clubs? Where do you draw the line?
No I wouldn't BAD. I didn't like Jong doing it. Really bad move on his behalf and I hope he learns from it.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
FrediKanoute
OK, so now who do we think is in the gun. Personally, main list only its:
Jong
Prudden
Hrovat
Honeychurch
Dale
Hamling
Hamilton
I think that looking at the draft and who we are expecting to pick up as father sons over the next 3 years, we will be looking to move on midfielders who haven't cemented a spot - Romero, West, Kellet, Libba #2 are all expected to make the grade so there is a good chance we will need to make room in the smalls area.
Prudden may get a rookie shot; Rourke Smith they like and will get another rookie year.
Prudden & Minson are my two certs. I think Prudden is too far behind in the order even for a rookie spot. Jong may well have ended his time with us too. So that 3 of the 5 changes I think we need to make.
I'd consider trades for Hrovat (but don't think we'd get enough to make it worth while) and Honeychurch (who may have some currency). Assuming one goes that 4 of 5. Then it's a tough call on maybe Hamling or Hamilton or whether Matt Boyd retires on his terms. Dale is a required player in my book.
So there's my 7 names to get 5 spots. Rookie list prune of Adcock & Goetz if some VFL watchers on here are anything to go on. Roarke & Lynch stay on the rookie list. So my ideal strategy is a good trade in, a decent free agent/second trade, 3 live picks in the ND and 1 or 2 live picks in the RD. Hopefully some spare cash too.
Next year may see all of Bob, Boyd & Morris retire so we will see if Roarke, Lynch and others can show themselves as half back replacements. With a trade out and a delist, we may have 5 spots again next year with the same flexibility for trades, free agents and live picks for 2017. Rhylee West isn't ready until 2018 and Kellett & Libba until 2019. So we have time to assess the list for a while yet.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Prudden & Minson are my two certs. I think Prudden is too far behind in the order even for a rookie spot. Jong may well have ended his time with us too. So that 3 of the 5 changes I think we need to make.
I'd consider trades for Hrovat (but don't think we'd get enough to make it worth while) and Honeychurch (who may have some currency). Assuming one goes that 4 of 5. Then it's a tough call on maybe Hamling or Hamilton or whether Matt Boyd retires on his terms. Dale is a required player in my book.
So there's my 7 names to get 5 spots. Rookie list prune of Adcock & Goetz if some VFL watchers on here are anything to go on. Roarke & Lynch stay on the rookie list. So my ideal strategy is a good trade in, a decent free agent/second trade, 3 live picks in the ND and 1 or 2 live picks in the RD. Hopefully some spare cash too.
Next year may see all of Bob, Boyd & Morris retire so we will see if Roarke, Lynch and others can show themselves as half back replacements. With a trade out and a delist, we may have 5 spots again next year with the same flexibility for trades, free agents and live picks for 2017. Rhylee West isn't ready until 2018 and Kellett & Libba until 2019. So we have time to assess the list for a while yet.
Yeah I agree with most of this.
Honey only for a good offer, likewise Dale,.
If the rat was on the ASX I would retain him for another season as there would be a high chance of a rise in value.
We have to consider MBoyd, but he is in great form. Morris is required. Matty may just be someone we can cover while keeping the list healthy for years to come.
I'd hold on to Hammers.
Minson, Prudden, Hamilton, Jong to go.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
Have been thinking about a few issues with this and agree that Minson is done.
However, we do have a conundrum with our ruck stocks. Roughead has established himself as the No 1 choice and is clearly our best round the ground with contested marking. Tom Boyd is the best option as the forward/ruck.
This leaves Campbell effectively as cover, but I would see him as expecting games. As a consequence, he appears one of our best trade options. We simply cannot afford to pay what he is worth to play VFL.
We could then draft in a mature ager as cover and keep space in the cap.