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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Hotdog60
2020'S DRAFTEES RE-RANKED: Who bolts up the order, who slides?
Some players from the 2020 draft class shone this season, but others took a while to get going.
Link
here
31. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Pick No.1, Western Bulldogs), 18.7 Rating Points, av 3.7ppg
Does that mean if JUH decided to move to another club our return would be a second round.
I would like to see this at the end of next year and hopefully JUH has a full pre season and a full year of football.
It is actually a crap article. You can't re rank players after one season. Let's see in 5 years time where they all sit.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
It is actually a crap article. You can't re rank players after one season. Let's see in 5 years time where they all sit.
It doesn't even qualify as that.
Simply it is the AFL Ratings applied to 2020 draftees as a rating per game. It has no value in assessing progress at this point.
None of the players have achieved a rating that would have them set up as stars of the game.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
It looks like Marra and Bont have been hanging out during the off season (as highlighted across both Bont's and Marra's socials). This has to be a very good thing.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Hotdog60
2020'S DRAFTEES RE-RANKED: Who bolts up the order, who slides?
Some players from the 2020 draft class shone this season, but others took a while to get going.
Link
here
31. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Pick No.1, Western Bulldogs), 18.7 Rating Points, av 3.7ppg
Does that mean if JUH decided to move to another club our return would be a second round.
I would like to see this at the end of next year and hopefully JUH has a full pre season and a full year of football.
No doubt the same ranking system that had Lewis Taylor ahead of Marcus after year 1.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Doc26
No doubt the same ranking system that had Lewis Taylor ahead of Marcus after year 1.
I know your not being serious, but the one that had Lewis Taylor ahead was a direct influence on the voting integrity of the judging panel.
Justin Leppitsch as Brisbane coach campaigned strongly for Taylor as a point of recognition when Brisbane had been struggling to retain players. There may have also been a suggestion that a member of the voting panel was seduced by the betting odds.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
I know your not being serious, but the one that had Lewis Taylor ahead was a direct influence on the voting integrity of the judging panel.
Justin Leppitsch as Brisbane coach campaigned strongly for Taylor as a point of recognition when Brisbane had been struggling to retain players. There may have also been a suggestion that a member of the voting panel was seduced by the betting odds.
In the voting KB also selected Taylor over Bont. I guess everyone is capable of a brain fade.
Anyway that's all water under the bridge and we all know Bont is star player.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Hotdog60
2020'S DRAFTEES RE-RANKED: Who bolts up the order, who slides?
Some players from the 2020 draft class shone this season, but others took a while to get going.
Link
here
31. Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Pick No.1, Western Bulldogs), 18.7 Rating Points, av 3.7ppg
Does that mean if JUH decided to move to another club our return would be a second round.
I would like to see this at the end of next year and hopefully JUH has a full pre season and a full year of football.
That is the laziest article i have seen written in a long time, and it has been a dire two years for journalism.
Surely after ranking them by the AFL player ratings you take one look and go, "nah this is a shit idea".
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
soupman
That is the laziest article i have seen written in a long time, and it has been a dire two years for journalism.
Surely after ranking them by the AFL player ratings you take one look and go, "nah this is a shit idea".
It is a very small sample size to make the call and will change a fair bit over the next 2 or 3 years.
The real question is that given what we have seen so far in one season are there any howlers that went in the first round and the answer is still not clear.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
soupman
That is the laziest article i have seen written in a long time, and it has been a dire two years for journalism.
Surely after ranking them by the AFL player ratings you take one look and go, "nah this is a shit idea".
You underestimate the need for content in a quiet time for AFL. Quantity over quality every damn time.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
soupman
That is the laziest article i have seen written in a long time, and it has been a dire two years for journalism.
Surely after ranking them by the AFL player ratings you take one look and go, "nah this is a shit idea".
Spot on - you just need to run your eyes over that list once to realise it makes absolutely no sense to use that data to rank the players at this point.
Complete click bait rubbish, and I feel stupider for having read it ! :cool:
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Spot on - you just need to run your eyes over that list once to realise it makes absolutely no sense to use that data to rank the players at this point.
Complete click bait rubbish, and I feel stupider for having read it ! :cool:
ahhhh, got ya! :D
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
It is actually a crap article. You can't re rank players after one season. Let's see in 5 years time where they all sit.
Sure you can. You just have to understand it in the context of one person's opinion regarding who had the best first year post being drafted. That's all it is.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Sure you can. You just have to understand it in the context of one person's opinion regarding who had the best first year post being drafted. That's all it is.
Sorry to disagree as it is not anyone's opinion.
This is actually AFL player ratings and then putting an order based on the average rating per game.
It is certainly an odd interpretation of player ranking considering that it relates to so few games and even as few as a single game for some.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
Sorry to disagree as it is not anyone's opinion.
This is actually AFL player ratings and then putting an order based on the average rating per game.
It is certainly an odd interpretation of player ranking considering that it relates to so few games and even as few as a single game for some.
So it's a ratings based system of who had the best year immediately after being drafted rather than an individual's opinion. Thanks for clarifying without looking too deeply into it I assumed it was an individual journo's opinion. Well, at least it's measurable somehow i suppose.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
How many games do we expect JUH to play next season? I'm expecting him in as the third tall behind Naughton and English, at least until Bruce is back.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Vred
How many games do we expect JUH to play next season? I'm expecting him in as the third tall behind Naughton and English, at least until Bruce is back.
It's hard to deny that he looked good last year in patches, better than Weightman his first year. There's a position open in the forward line and he's doing what looks like really good work in his own time with Bont and the like.
I could see him being best 22 by year end if not from round one.
Maybe that's too high an expectation being that he's a young tall but... he just looked good. While I wouldn't bet on it I wouldn't be super surprised if he kicked 25 goals. I would be very happy though
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
hujsh
It's hard to deny that he looked good last year in patches, better than Weightman his first year. There's a position open in the forward line and he's doing what looks like really good work in his own time with Bont and the like.
I could see him being best 22 by year end if not from round one.
Maybe that's too high an expectation being that he's a young tall but... he just looked good. While I wouldn't bet on it I wouldn't be super surprised if he kicked 25 goals. I would be very happy though
Yeah, I'm hoping big offseason and he plays pretty much every game possible next year until Bruce is back in full swing, although I don't expect Bruce to really play at all next season, big guy will take extra time to recover from an ACL.
Every game possible + about 30 goals would be a great second year for him.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
I think he’ll play most games.
Can’t wait to see him in full flight. Going to be a BIG problem.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Vred
How many games do we expect JUH to play next season? I'm expecting him in as the third tall behind Naughton and English, at least until Bruce is back.
It could be as few as 8 but up to 18. He Schache and Hannan might battle for spots
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
I thought Jamarra developed really quickly once he was selected after not really earning his spot or getting the chance to. He has lots of tricks to get involved and score, I can see him playing 18+ games and kicking 30+ goals
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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boydogs
I thought Jamarra developed really quickly once he was selected after not really earning his spot or getting the chance to. He has lots of tricks to get involved and score, I can see him playing 18+ games and kicking 30+ goals
Once he gets fit enough he will be a handful for opposition clubs.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
1eyedog
So it's a ratings based system of who had the best year immediately after being drafted rather than an individual's opinion. Thanks for clarifying without looking too deeply into it I assumed it was an individual journo's opinion. Well, at least it's measurable somehow i suppose.
It is not even that. It is simply an average rating per game. One of the players rated played 1 solitary game early in the year and didn't reappear. Wouldn't be hard to believe Jamarra had a better year than that.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
I hope they are renegotiating his contract extension now. Get him signed while the ground is lowest. If he explodes this year Before he re-signs it will likely cost us one of our “gun” players.
I was pretty worried that he would head straight to Essington at first opportunity, especially with our continued failure to bring in more indigenous players. It’s been pretty relieving seeing all of the post season snaps/videos coming out. He’s clearly bonding strongly with a number of players.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
The Adelaide Connection
I hope they are renegotiating his contract extension now. Get him signed while the ground is lowest. If he explodes this year Before he re-signs it will likely cost us one of our “gun” players.
I was pretty worried that he would head straight to Essington at first opportunity, especially with our continued failure to bring in more indigenous players. It’s been pretty relieving seeing all of the post season snaps/videos coming out. He’s clearly bonding strongly with a number of players.
A number of key players. Happy for him and Naughty to build a bromance to rival Dunkloar. With Bont watching over them.
The thought of a Naughton/JUH/Weightman forward line gives me shivers.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
The Adelaide Connection
I hope they are renegotiating his contract extension now. Get him signed while the ground is lowest. If he explodes this year Before he re-signs it will likely cost us one of our “gun” players.
I was pretty worried that he would head straight to Essington at first opportunity, especially with our continued failure to bring in more indigenous players. It’s been pretty relieving seeing all of the post season snaps/videos coming out. He’s clearly bonding strongly with a number of players.
He's already contracted for another 3 years. He would be crazy to sign on any longer. He would be backing himself to boost his worth over the next couple of seasons.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Axe Man
He's already contracted for another 3 years. He would be crazy to sign on any longer. He would be backing himself to boost his worth over the next couple of seasons.
You are a good man Axe.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
Ugle-Hagan: I want to be better
Western Bulldogs forward Jamarra Ugle-Hagan says he wants to cement a senior spot in attack next year.
After arriving at the Kennel with the first pick in the 2020 national draft, Ugle-Hagan spent the majority of his first year in the VFL before breaking through for a senior debut in round 17.
The 19-year-old has spent a lot of time with captain Marcus Bontempelli to better himself this off-season.
“At the end of the day, it’s who works the hardest and who did the work before you even walk in for the season,” Ugle-Hagan said.
“Obviously that’s why I’m working with Marcus. Last year I wasn’t happy with my performance throughout the whole season, and I know I can do better.
“You don’t see him as ‘The Bont’ – you see him as your best mate, your older brother. He just pushes me so much.”
Ugle-Hagan, who started his second AFL preseason on Monday morning, said he couldn’t believe how quick his debut season went.
“It goes quick – all the boys were telling me that, and I said ‘no it doesn’t’, but then next minute I’m already in my second year,” he said.
“I’m just enjoying the moment and not taking anything for granted.”
Ugle-Hagan and the rest of the 1-4 year Bulldogs - plus a handful of senior players - commenced preseason training on Monday, with the full squad to return next week.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
Nice! Got her em Jamarra!
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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MrMahatma
Nice! Got her em Jamarra!
Big Night on the Kingfisher's Mahatma ?:)
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
It does feel like the penny has dropped and he's going to play a lot of football in 2022.
He already demonstrated that innate ability to lose his opponent a few times, something which will be very useful in the zoning era.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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KT31
Big Night on the Kingfisher's Mahatma ?:)
Haha! Go get em! I believe that’s what my fat fingers were trying to say!
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
So what are reasonable expectations for JUH in 2022?
Number of games? Number of goals? Non stats stuff such as defensive pressure?
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
So what are reasonable expectations for JUH in 2022?
Number of games? Number of goals? Non stats stuff such as defensive pressure?
I think I'd expect him to have done enough to be considered best 22 in 2023. Basically to have had a good enough season that he is best 22, but allowing for the likelihood that he might find it tough to play a full season at that level.
So expecting 12+ games, I guess a goal a game, and it's really about him showing that he has the tricks to to set him apart from the pack (generating marks on leads, any special thing she can with ball in hand etc.) while also being able to play a team role (pressure and positioning as we require).
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
I think he’ll play 18+ and kick about 30 goals.
He’s going to pop a few times, can’t wait.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
We are so lucky to have the Bont what a leader he is.
Good to see Marra working hard and enjoying himself the results will come in time.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Mofra
It does feel like the penny has dropped and he's going to play a lot of football in 2022.
He already demonstrated that innate ability to lose his opponent a few times, something which will be very useful in the zoning era.
He was training with Marcus from very early on.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
I think he’ll play 18+ and kick about 30 goals.
He’s going to pop a few times, can’t wait.
Yep I agree. A couple of bags of 5 or 6 and a couple of quiet games but he'll be consistently kicking 3 in most games by year's end for a total of 30-35 goals I reckon.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
I think he’ll play 18+ and kick about 30 goals.
He’s going to pop a few times, can’t wait.
I'm leaning 15 games about 30 odd goals. Couple of big games, couple of quiet ones but he has the ability to be good for two goals a game once he has an AFL standard tank.
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Re: Welcome Jamarra Ugle-Hagan to the Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Testekill
I'm leaning 15 games about 30 odd goals. Couple of big games, couple of quiet ones but he has the ability to be good for two goals a game once he has an AFL standard tank.
In the modern era, 2 goals per game is outstanding
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...21&rt=LA&st=GO
Naughts managed 1.88 goals per game.
I think if he just plays and earn his spot for more than a dozen games that's a win. He's had a couple of development years either wiped out or interrupted