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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I too would have had Garnder in ahead of Cordy.
I can't imagine how shattered he is if this is true
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I think it’s simply a case of us trusting Cordy’s experience in the biggest game of the year. Melbourne rank 17th for accurate kicks inside 50, and Cordy is better on the deck than Gardner is. If chaos ball ensues in the Dees forward 50, we may value Cordy’s ground ball game more. Bevo may also have a specific matchup or tactic in mind (Cordy as a defensive forward on Lever, Schache back). Not the selection I would have made, just playing devil’s advocate.
Surely at this stage of the season, after all of Bevo’s moves that we have questioned time and time again (Dale in defence, playing Schache at all after the Tigers game, playing Hannan when he was poop) you just have to trust him.
As alluded to above, the reason this got out (Most likely) is Gardner telling family. Might not have been leaked by anyone at the club.
Get on the Cordy for first goal scorer train, it’s on its way to premiership station!
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
josie
If fox footy are correct then Pieman might be on the money regarding Schache to backline.
Schache back, Cordy forward. Or if Cordy plays in backline and looks like it’s not working he can go forward. Maybe it’s Cordy’s flexibility that gives him the nod? Having just watched all 4 x 2016 finals Cordy’s competitiveness at ground level is good and Cordy has mongrel in him that’s for sure.
Who plays on whom in backline? We have to counter Fritsch, Ben Brown, Mitch Brown and possibly one of Jackson or Gawn. One of our medium defenders like Duryea or Woody will probably get Fritsch.
I don’t get the fascination with Cordy going forward. He isn’t good in that role. And whilst he was competitive at ground level in 2016, he doesn’t have the same agility now as he did then.
And I think the player you were searching for is Tom McDonald.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
If Gardy has told family and they’ve gone straight to the media, that’s utterly ridiculous.
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Something that I am wondering is who gets the defensive forward role; we'll try and do what we did last time where Naughton tried to get himself on Lever as much as possible while Hannan was blocking May but who gets it from there? Schache and Hannan could both get the gig but English would be the best out of the three at getting it to the ground but would he be better suited taking Petty?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Toot Toot insane Zaine Train here we go….
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I don’t get the fascination with Cordy going forward. He isn’t good in that role. And whilst he was competitive at ground level in 2016, he doesn’t have the same agility now as he did then.
And I think the player you were searching for is Tom McDonald.
You’re right - made correction regarding McDonald.
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Originally Posted by
Rhys
I think it’s simply a case of us trusting Cordy’s experience in the biggest game of the year. Melbourne rank 17th for accurate kicks inside 50, and Cordy is better on the deck than Gardner is. If chaos ball ensues in the Dees forward 50, we may value Cordy’s ground ball game more. Bevo may also have a specific matchup or tactic in mind (Cordy as a defensive forward on Lever, Schache back). Not the selection I would have made, just playing devil’s advocate.
Surely at this stage of the season, after all of Bevo’s moves that we have questioned time and time again (Dale in defence, playing Schache at all after the Tigers game, playing Hannan when he was poop) you just have to trust him.
As alluded to above, the reason this got out (Most likely) is Gardner telling family. Might not have been leaked by anyone at the club.
Get on the Cordy for first goal scorer train, it’s on its way to premiership station!
After reading this the need to vomit hasn’t been lessened.
Time to go set up the rocking chair and put the straight jacket on.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
To add to the Zaine not forward argument, Schache is coming off a great job v Aliir.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Okay now that I’ve stopped crying I’m ready to admit that, although this is the objectively wrong decision, if it costs us the game then we frankly don’t deserve it.
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Happy Days
Okay now that I’ve stopped crying I’m ready to admit that, although this is the objectively wrong decision, if it costs us the game then we frankly don’t deserve it.
It only took you one hour to come off the ledge!
Beveridge press conference tomorrow will be interesting.
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Happy Days
Okay now that I’ve stopped crying I’m ready to admit that, although this is the objectively wrong decision, if it costs us the game then we frankly don’t deserve it.
Yep, if we play well enough it shouldn’t matter and we should be able to hide Zaine away, but the ability for me to tolerate Zaine being caught out of position at a crucial time and costing us a goal isn’t all that high.
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I don’t understand. I hope by about 11.15pm Saturday I’m educated in the decision.
It leaking is embarrassing though. Has to be linked to Gardner. I’m assuming Weightman was told he’s not playing, or a second player is being dropped. But that players name isn’t named…
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Mantis
Yep, if we play well enough it shouldn’t matter and we should be able to hide Zaine away, but the ability for me to tolerate Zaine being caught out of position at a crucial time and costing us a goal isn’t all that high.
The first time he gets led to the ball, i fear for my TV.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Also who is his match up? He doesn’t have an obvious one. I’m keenly paying attention to Bevo’s explanation tomorrow.
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I doubt I’m right cos it’s me, but we went with Josh as part of a back 3 at the G against them last time.
If Ryan’s out, I wouldn’t rule out Naughton & English as the lone tall forwards.
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Rocco Jones
To add to the Zaine not forward argument, Schache is coming off a great job v Aliir.
I think it’s the flexibility to swap Schache and Cordy that Gardner does not offer, plus the competitiveness and finals experience of Zaine. We all know how competitive Cordy was in 2016 albeit as a makeshift forward. If my memory serves me correct he was one of the few who could hold his head high in our elimination final loss to GWS a few years ago as a defender. Cannot recall how well he played vs Saints in elimination final last year as a defender.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Schache back. Jamarra replacing him up forward. If we’re going to commit, then let’s really commit.
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The Pie Man
I doubt I’m right cos it’s me, but we went with Josh as part of a back 3 at the G against them last time.
If Ryan’s out, I wouldn’t rule out Naughton & English as the lone tall forwards.
I reckon that’d be nuts. Schache had a great match up fwd last week. And he played back vs the Dees cause Keath and Gardner were both injured.
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Originally Posted by
josie
I think it’s the flexibility to swap Schache and Cordy that Gardner does not offer, plus the competitiveness and finals experience of Zaine. We all know how competitive Cordy was in 2016 albeit as a makeshift forward. If my memory serves me correct he was one of the few who could hold his head high in our elimination final loss to GWS a few years ago as a defender. Cannot recall how well he played vs Saints in elimination final last year as a defender.
When was the last time Cordy played well forward? Did he do it last year or something?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I would be more surprised if Schache was in the backline than I was when it seemed the building I was in this morning was about to collapse.
And even more so if Cordy was forward.
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MrMahatma
I reckon that’d be nuts. Schache had a great match up fwd last week. And he played back vs the Dees cause Keath and Gardner were both injured.
True
…except he started back before Keath pinged his hammy that night
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The Pie Man
I doubt I’m right cos it’s me, but we went with Josh as part of a back 3 at the G against them last time.
If Ryan’s out, I wouldn’t rule out Naughton & English as the lone tall forwards.
To back your thoughts up….Schache has a good tank - maybe he floats around ground to counter Jackson & Gawn’s aerial threat and can also play forward and back to help out. Bont’s been great helping in backline during the 3 finals thus far too.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Maybe we don’t rate Brown or Jackson who will have significant reach over Cordy. Or speed. Or positioning. If only we had Gardner available.
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We're not winning or losing based on Cordy or Gardner. The game will be won and lost in the middle.
I really feel for Gardner. It would be a bitter pill to swallow. He's improved incrementally every season he has been with us, and that's all you can do.
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If we win we’re winning this in the middle with intensity around the ground
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bulldogtragic
When was the last time Cordy played well forward? Did he do it last year or something?
He hasn’t needed to. But I think he might be still capable of playing a role forward at times if needed. Finals are a different beast. I’m as bemused by this selection as other woofers - trying to put my Bevo genius hat on!! Having watched replay of PF Cordy was very good and his pressure and possibly his agility was at 2016 levels.
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Cordy has kicked 2 goals in 5 years. Not even Bevo is that crazy to pull a move like that (forward).
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No tricks.
The MC just likes Cordy, Wood, Keath, Dale, Duryea and Williams as their core back six in this game.
I'm not sure if I do as well, but I'm not sure if I don't.
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comrade
I'm more concerned that it has leaked early. Shit like that has the potential to be disruptive.
Maybe the news has been released early with both Gardy's and the club's blessing. Take away from any distraction closer to game time.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
There are going to be heartbreaks and probably one more to come if Cody is selected (or not).
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bornadog
There are going to be heartbreaks and probably one more to come if Cody is selected (or not).
I heard it reported last week that Cody was already told he'd be playing.
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jeemak
I heard it reported last week that Cody was already told he'd be playing.
Then who comes out and who is medical sub? JJ, VDM or a surprise?
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Id choose JJ over VDM for sure, VDM still struggles to run out a game he is the perfect sub IMO.
JJ played his best game for the year last week, is a norm smith medalists and I wouldn't be surprised to see he and Bailey Dale swap in the second half if we are behind and chasing the game.
Cordy for Gardy is interesting, one things for sure Bevo has gotten it right most weeks with selection this year. Just a reminder to all we did beat Port by more then 70 points with Cordy and Gardy playing key defensive posts, who would of thought? Lets be honest Keath is the key here along with the collective back 6-7.
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I mean given the point where we’re at, it’s hard to dispute Bevo and the MC. So I’ll back it. I don’t agree with it. But I have to back it as they got us to a grand final.
There’s got to be a matchup advantage they see somewhere as they didn’t drop Gardner for Cordy for the lions game.
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You’d think Keath goes to McDonald. So who’s going to Brown? I’ve thought for nearly two weeks that Gardner was the perfect matchup for him. Cordy is too short.
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I don't see Tom McDonald as a huge threat atm. Has only kicked 4 goals in his past 6 games, ~3 marks per game. 194cm 99kg - Zaine is 190cm and 90kg (at start of the year).
Stef v Gawn
Schache 2nd ruck, possibly following Jackson to the backline when he plays as a forward?
Keath on Brown (put body on and block his run, the big unco won't get near it), Cordy on Mcdonald
Duryea on Pickett, Williams on Fritsch. Wood to float and help out Keath/Cordy.
English and Naughton permanent key forwards
Hannan defensive fwd on Lever.
JJ/VDM defensive fwd on Salem.
How about that?
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
You’d think Keath goes to McDonald. So who’s going to Brown? I’ve thought for nearly two weeks that Gardner was the perfect matchup for him. Cordy is too short.
Brown is the same height as Dixon and 7kgs lighter and Cordy had Dixon well covered.
He's no Dale Morris but he can punch above his weight.
Gardner's decision making, or lack thereof, will get found out in a GF.
That being said, it's a shit situation and I feel for everyone concerned.
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Mofra
I too would have had Garnder in ahead of Cordy.
I can't imagine how shattered he is if this is true
And Cordy wouldn't be shattered. There are no easy answers in this one. Team comes first
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bornadog
Then who comes out and who is medical sub? JJ, VDM or a surprise?
I've got no idea BAD. You tell me!
Whilst you're going away and finding out that answer, here's how I'd go until you do:
FB - Williams, Cordy, Wood
HB - Dale, Keath, Duryea
C - R. Smith, Macrae, Hunter
HF - B Smith, English, Johansens*
FF - Weightman, Naughton, Hannan
Foll - Martin, Bontempelli, Liberatore
Int - Daniel, Treloar, Dunkley, Schache
Sub - Vandermeer
*In respect to the smartest and most successful knuckle dragger in the media, Gerard Healy
Firstly, that is possibly the sickest (channeling Happy Days here) team we have put on the park for a while. My heart breaks for Gardner, like it does for a lot of others who have missed out but with a few fluctuations with form and injury they could've been playing.
The shitting on Cordy isn't something I've ever really understood. He's relatively safe with the ball, he's always in the contest unless trapped in front and he can lay a decent tackle. It's as if we expect our backs to just not let good forwards get on top for parts of a game and that's unrealistic - especially if the system upfield breaks down which ours can do from time to time (like any good team's can). Good forwards beat good defenders all the time, it's going to happen to ours as well but as long as the group up the ground do what they should do to minimise the exposure then things should work out OK.
Gardner's dropping is disappointing and in honesty I'd have him in ahead of Cordy. But at the same time he slows us down when he gets the footy more than Cordy does and while the latter makes an occasional mistake with ball in hand he doesn't make us completely stagnant, and unfortunately Gardner does. I really feel for the bloke, I know what it's like to miss grand finals when you have a more than decent claim on being in the team and Saturday is going to rip him apart.
The forward mix I've selected versus those on the bench is just me thinking that the former gives us the best chance to get on the board early in the game, and then after seven to ten minutes start to rotate out and really hit Melbourne with our midfield depth as they get a bit tired. Schache is the everywhere man but I expect him to go forward to sit on Lever or May depending on who is in better form (there's no way May's hamstring is OK - trust this from someone who did five back related hamstrings in a single season), but it shouldn't happen until the game is settled a little bit.
It's going to be hot early and we need our midfield contingent and rolling up half forwards to blow valves early. They have back up in Treloar and Dunkley on the bench. There is a chance we'll be tightened up on and will struggle to score early, which means that things might need to be changed up early in the game getting these boys an early run.
Daniel is a massive wild card. He is agnostic to positions on the ground, he transcends common sense on a footy field because of how he finds it (which is an element of his game too often ignored and dreadfully underrated) and how he uses it. So I want us to just wait and see where and how he can be used best.
The medical sub in Vandermeer is the best choice. He can play forward from centre and we have a couple of players who can roll back to cover him if we lose a defender.