Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
I just don't think he's worth $1m a season. Forget the inflated cap - to pay ONE player a million, I want a matchwinner and I don't see that with English.
20 years ago, paying a single player $500k was almost unheard of outside of the absolute best of the best. These days, that?s the average wage.
You really can?t dismiss the inflated cap here - it?s going to be the norm going forward that an AA level player, in the top 5-10 at a club, is going to be on wages close to $1m/year. It?s the equivalent of $800k a couple years ago, which I?m sure most people would be happy paying
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Testekill
I am significantly more concerned regarding the contract length over the money. English has built up a bit of a worrying concussion history, who's to say the next one won't be curtains on his career?
The important thing to keep an eye on is the ruling on Brayshaw?s contract. Melbourne are pushing for this to not come out of their salary cap, and this will set an important precedent.
We should have no concerns if the AFL ends up ruling that Melbourne are free of the cap burden
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Virgin-Dog
20 years ago, paying a single player $500k was almost unheard of outside of the absolute best of the best. These days, that?s the average wage.
You really can?t dismiss the inflated cap here - it?s going to be the norm going forward that an AA level player, in the top 5-10 at a club, is going to be on wages close to $1m/year. It?s the equivalent of $800k a couple years ago, which I?m sure most people would be happy paying
But is he?
B&F voting suggests not.
English is a good player, capable of being very good, but he was fortunate that the ruck competition floundered (i.e. Gawn v Grundy hurt both of their output, Naitanui gone etc).
I think he can go to another level but just because you CAN pay $1m, doesn't mean you should. That's not even factoring in his concussion issues...
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
but just because you CAN pay $1m, doesn't mean you should. .
The market determines the value, so if someone is willing to pay that amount, then that is what they are valued at
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
I've never experienced the sentiment people have towards Tim prior from memory for a Dogs player of his ability.
My feel is most think he's just an "ok" player.
It's really odd to me. He's tall, athletic, has amazing skills..... I feel maybe someone like Joe Daniher cops the same for reasons unbeknownst to me.
Can people explain to me what is not convincing them about Tim? Even when he's the AA ruck there's a sentiment he "bradburied" it.
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
I've never experienced the sentiment people have towards Tim prior from memory for a Dogs player of his ability.
My feel is most think he's just an "ok" player.
It's really odd to me. He's tall, athletic, has amazing skills..... I feel maybe someone like Joe Daniher cops the same for reasons unbeknownst to me.
Can people explain to me what is not convincing them about Tim? Even when he's the AA ruck there's a sentiment he "bradburied" it.
Tim has copped it from day 1. We know that most talls don't mature till mid 20s
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
I've never experienced the sentiment people have towards Tim prior from memory for a Dogs player of his ability.
My feel is most think he's just an "ok" player.
It's really odd to me. He's tall, athletic, has amazing skills..... I feel maybe someone like Joe Daniher cops the same for reasons unbeknownst to me.
Can people explain to me what is not convincing them about Tim? Even when he's the AA ruck there's a sentiment he "bradburied" it.
I think a lot of fans are still burnt by how many times he got towelled up (including in important matches) on the way to becoming a good player.
But he's arrived as a really good player. Get around him!
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
MrMahatma
I think a lot of fans are still burnt by how many times he got towelled up (including in important matches) on the way to becoming a good player.
But he's arrived as a really good player. Get around him!
Primacy recency says we should be loving him!
Ok that maybe explains it - he really had a break out year last season so I'm really confident he's going to be amazing this year again.
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
But is he?
B&F voting suggests not.
English is a good player, capable of being very good, but he was fortunate that the ruck competition floundered (i.e. Gawn v Grundy hurt both of their output, Naitanui gone etc).
I think he can go to another level but just because you CAN pay $1m, doesn't mean you should. That's not even factoring in his concussion issues...
He was 7th in the latest B&F voting, so it literally does suggest he is?
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Rd 4 v Tigers 23.
Brownlow votes that day were
T Liberatore 3 L Baker 2 M Bontempelli 1
Bontempelli got the most coaches award votes
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
JanLorMill
Brownlow votes that day were
T Liberatore 3 L Baker 2 M Bontempelli 1
Bontempelli got the most coaches award votes
Hard to get votes over those two !
You don't rate him?
Richmond v Western Bulldogs
9 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
8 Tim English (WB)
4 Tom Liberatore (WB)
3 Caleb Daniel (WB)
2 Liam Baker (RICH)
2 Bailey Dale (WB)
2 Daniel Rioli (RICH)
Ok let's go with....
Rd 3 2022 v Swans.
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Virgin-Dog
He was 7th in the latest B&F voting, so it literally does suggest he is?
5-10 not top 5.
Would you pay players 5-10 $1m+ a season?
Good luck keeping the list together if we're that generous.
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Hard to get votes over those two !
You don't rate him?
Who said I don't rate him? I don't believe he is a match winner or superstar yet as you believe.
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
JanLorMill
Who said I don't rate him? I don't believe he is a match winner or superstar yet as you believe.
Nobody - it was a question.
That's fair enough. I strongly disagree ;)
Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Originally Posted by
MrMahatma
I think a lot of fans are still burnt by how many times he got towelled up (including in important matches) on the way to becoming a good player.
But he's arrived as a really good player. Get around him!
I think The Night That Must Not Be Named from 2021 plays a huge part in this.