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He needs to have some of the kinks in his technique ironed out so it's more consistent. When he hits them well he looks really good and they penetrate and go dead straight, but because of the complicated nature of his action there's too much margin for error.
Something to work on in preseason. He's too valuable to us forward to not persist.
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jeemak
He needs to have some of the kinks in his technique ironed out so it's more consistent. When he hits them well he looks really good and they penetrate and go dead straight, but because of the complicated nature of his action there's too much margin for error.
Something to work on in preseason. He's too valuable to us forward to not persist.
It’s something to work on for sure, but will he? He hasn’t yet so I’m not convinced he will.
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bulldogtragic
We need to get him a decent forward, even Tom Lynch would do. This is what next year looks like with just tinkering Hannan & English around. Not good.
We don't need a Tom Lynch - big no for me. He will be just another Hannan who we also don't need.
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bornadog
We don't need a Tom Lynch - big no for me. He will be just another Hannan who we also don't need.
He’s not the messiah, he’s a cheap one year insurance policy. Who has done infinitely more than Hannan. Who I agree with you, we don’t need.
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Re: Welcome to the Western Bulldogs - Aaron Naughton
Western Bulldogs.
Average Contested Marks per game. (Minimum 30 games).
Naughton 2.1
Jones 1.6
Grant 1.5
Darcy 1.4
Lake 1.2
English 1.2
Roughead 1.1
Naughton is in a league of his own.
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angelopetraglia
Western Bulldogs.
Average Contested Marks per game. (Minimum 30 games).
Naughton 2.1
Jones 1.6
Grant 1.5
Darcy 1.4
Lake 1.2
English 1.2
Roughead 1.1
Naughton is in a league of his own.
It is fantastic that he can do this, but I would love a game plan that improved his chances further.
It would help a lot if less of the contests were with his team mates and all of their opponents.
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Bulldog Joe
It is fantastic that he can do this, but I would love a game plan that improved his chances further.
It would help a lot if less of the contests were with his team mates and all of their opponents.
The one issue I have with Naughton is he doesn't lead enough and prefers to rely too much on his contested marking. Hanging around your opponent is not the way to go.
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Our ball carriers need to lower eyes and start using other options regularly and Naughton won't be crowded to the extent he is as often as he is.
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bornadog
The one issue I have with Naughton is he doesn't lead enough and prefers to rely too much on his contested marking. Hanging around your opponent is not the way to go.
Agree. When he has been quiet (against better teams such as from memory Melbourne/May, Geelong/De Koening) he needs to lead more and our players delivering into F50 need to kick lower, more bullet like/less long bombs.
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bornadog
The one issue I have with Naughton is he doesn't lead enough and prefers to rely too much on his contested marking. Hanging around your opponent is not the way to go.
Do we actually give him enough space to lead.
Our forward line is continually clogged.
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bornadog
The one issue I have with Naughton is he doesn't lead enough and prefers to rely too much on his contested marking. Hanging around your opponent is not the way to go.
It would seem you can lead a natural centre half back to water but you can't necessarily make him ... lead.
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Rocket Science
It would seem you can lead a natural centre half back to water but you can't necessarily make him ... lead.
Myth
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Rocket Science
It would seem you can lead a natural centre half back to water but you can't necessarily make him ... lead.
So wise.
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bornadog
Myth
Not sure how it's a myth when he was drafted in that position and played his first season of AFL at a good level in that position.
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bornadog
Myth
wat? You can debate if he'd be as good back now as he is forward but there's no doubt he's a natural CHB. He played all his junior football there and got top 10 in the best and fairest playing his first year in that position.
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bornadog
Myth
He'd be the best one in the league if he had stayed there.
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jazzadogs
Not sure how it's a myth when he was drafted in that position and played his first season of AFL at a good level in that position.
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hujsh
wat? You can debate if he'd be as good back now as he is forward but there's no doubt he's a natural CHB. He played all his junior football there and got top 10 in the best and fairest playing his first year in that position.
Wasn't it like 4th?
edit - it was 4th https://www.aflplayers.com.au/news-f...2018-bf-top-10
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hujsh
wat? You can debate if he'd be as good back now as he is forward but there's no doubt he's a natural CHB. He played all his junior football there and got top 10 in the best and fairest playing his first year in that position.
I was joking.
However, a good tall forward is like gold, and Naughton is one of the best for many years. He has kicked some big scores, and that is hard to replace.
CHB, anyone can play there, Gardner, Bruce for example.
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bornadog
I was joking.
However, a good tall forward is like gold, and Naughton is one of the best for many years. He has kicked some big scores, and that is hard to replace.
CHB, anyone can play there, Gardner, Bruce for example.
Do you admit there is a difference in the output that Brisbane & Collingwood get from Andrews & Moore to what we get from Gardner or Bruce?
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Mantis
Do you admit there is a difference in the output that Brisbane & Collingwood get from Andrews & Moore to what we get from Gardner or Bruce?
Of course, but kicking goals is more important.
Look at last year when Bruce was out. In 2021 he kicked 48 goals, but we didn't really get that sort of out put from any other player in 2022 when he was injured.
How do you replace Naughton's output?
2018 - 38 goals
2019 - 32
2020 - injured most of the year
2021 - 39
2022 - 47
I value a big forward way higher than a big Full back for effectiveness.
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bornadog
... a good tall forward is like gold ...
Come now ... Lobb, Bruce, Ugle-Hagan, Darcy and Weightman can take a grab too, and that's not even mentioning a bloke with the tools to be the preeminent CHF in the comp if we chose to deploy him as such in English.
We're no longer as starved for tall marking targets up front as we might've been when Bevo decided to frig around and find out with Naughton, and hey it's been fun, but is it what's genuinely best for the team?
FWIW I think the genie's now bolted the bottle, this is all academic and as far as the club's concerned Naughton's a forward and I might even be content to leave it that if only he stopped kicking it like a defender.
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I know where the Demons would play him if they only had one of Lever / May.
Lever reads the play so well he could be a decent forward. Kicks better than Naughts too.
Defence is the key to success however as they well know.
Also helps to have two generational mids at the same time.
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bornadog
I was joking.
We would have known that if you had used an emoji
:)
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Grantysghost
I know where the Demons would play him if they only had one of Lever / May.
Lever reads the play so well he could be a decent forward. Kicks better than Naughts too.
Defence is the key to success however as they well know.
Also helps to have two generational mids at the same time.
It looks like LB has made him a forward for life but I do wonder how other clubs would utilise his skills and talents.
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Jasper
We would have known that if you had used an emoji
:)
No worries Jasper
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Re: Welcome to the Western Bulldogs - Aaron Naughton
CORNES CALLS OUT NAUGHTON FOR NOT MATCHING HIGH EXPECTATIONS WITH STAR OUTPUT
Kane Cornes has called on Aaron Naughton to take the next step in 2024.
Naughton finished the 2023 season with 44 goals from 23 games, less than his totals of 51 in 2022 and 47 in 2021.
While Naughton has the reputation as one of the competition?s best forwards, Cornes believes his performances don?t stand up to that tag.
Cornes listed several players who kicked more goals than the Bulldog in 2023 and put him in the gun this off-season.
?It's a bit of a fallout from the season and I've got your man and you've been big on this all year. Aaron Naughton is in the gun,? Cornes said on SEN Breakfast.
?I think his reputation far exceeds his performance, Aaron Naughton.
?These are the players that have kicked more goals than Aaron Naughton this year.
?Charlie Curnow, Taylor Walker, Nick Larkey, Toby Greene, Oscar Allen, Charlie Cameron, Jeremey Cameron, Joe Daniher, Kyle Langford, Tom Hawkins, Luke Breust and Brody Mihocek.
?Jye Amiss kicked three less than Naughton, Ollie Henry kicked three less than him.
?Ben King missed a lot of footy, but he kicked 40. Aaron Naughton kicked 44.?
While Charlie Curnow stands above all other key forwards at the moment with back-to-back Coleman Medals to his name, Cornes believes Naughton has the ability to match him in 2024.
The former Port Adelaide star urged Naughton to kick 70 goals next campaign and meet the high expectations set for him.
?If Curnow kicks 78, Naughton has every bit the amount of ability that Curnow has or near enough to that athletically,? Cornes said.
?He (Curnow) nearly kicked double the number of goals compared to him.
?Aaron Naughton is in the gun. He needs to come out next year and target 70 goals.
?Kicking 44 and taking one or two contested marks a game is not enough for a player with that much ability.?
Naughton has played 123 games for the Bulldogs since being taken with pick No. 9 in the 2017 Draft
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Bulldog Tragic is now ghost writing for old Cane Kornes
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I do think Naughton didn't quite measure up to previous standards and he will need to do better next year but I wonder if it's somewhat offset by Marra's arrival as a genuine marking target and of course Lobb?
If he can improve his set shot goal kicking he can be at least a 50 goal per season forward.
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GVGjr
I do think Naughton didn't quite measure up to previous standards and he will need to do better next year but I wonder if it's somewhat offset by Marra's arrival as a genuine marking target and of course Lobb?
If he can improve his set shot goal kicking he can be at least a 50 goal per season forward.
It also doesn't help that our ball movement and delivery inside 50 is putrid. It's not as simple as Naughton is as good as Curnow therefore should be kicking the same number of goals. Cornes should know better although I do agree that Aaron was disappointing this season.
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bulldogsthru&thru
It also doesn't help that our ball movement and delivery inside 50 is putrid. It's not as simple as Naughton is as good as Curnow therefore should be kicking the same number of goals. Cornes should know better although I do agree that Aaron was disappointing this season.
Curnow is a natural forward, and a far better kick.
Naughts is v good but Curnow is next level.
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Grantysghost
Curnow is a natural forward, and a far better kick.
Naughts is v good but Curnow is next level.
Curnow's positoning in 1:1s is far superior to Charlie. Naughton is probably a better contested mark when he gets a run at it.
The biggest difference is definitely kicking. Curnow has a beautiful natural fluent action. He can wheel around from 55m on one step and put it through post high. Naughton isn't in the same post code at that skill.
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I think Naughton was a bit underwhelming this year compared to his previous seasons particularly in relation to his contested marking.
However, whilst his goal average was down, his averages for goal assists, tackles and one percenters were all well up so overall I would not fault his effort, though I was disappointed with a few of his games.
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Re: Welcome to the Western Bulldogs - Aaron Naughton
Curnow kicked 78.41 66% conversion
Naughton kicked 44.33 57% conversion
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2023 v 2022 (Better formatting here https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=P&fopt2=2022)
23 Games 22
7.8 Kicks 8.1
3.8 Handballs 3.5
11.6 Disposals 11.6
4.3 Marks 4.7
1.9 Goals 2.3
1.4 Behinds 1.6
2.6 Tackles 2.1
1.0 Hitouts 0.9
1.9 Inside 50s 2.0
1.0 Goal Assists 0.6
1.3 Frees For 1.2
0.9 Frees Against 0.5
6.8 Contested Possessions 6.4
5.1 Uncontested Possessions 5.2
7.4 Effective Disposals 7.7
63.8% Disposal Efficiency % 66.4%
2.4 Clangers 2.4
1.8 Contested Marks 1.9
2.5 Marks Inside 50 2.3
0.2 Clearances 0.5
0.2 Rebound 50s 0
2.2 One Percenters 1.2
0 Bounces 0
86.4 Time On Ground % 85.9
0 Centre Clearances 0
0.2 Stoppage Clearances 0.5
6.3 Score Involvements 6.2
204.3 Metres Gained 200.2
2.6 Turnovers 2.2
0.8 Intercepts 0.8
1.4 Tackles Inside 50 1.6
66.9 AFL Fantasy Score 70.2
75.1 Supercoach Score 78.1
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Quick summary.
Disposals the same. Less marks. Less goals. More tackles. Almost double goal assists. More marks inside 50m. Almost double the one percenters
So he was much better at creating goals for others and put a lot more pressure on with more tackles and more one percetners.
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angelopetraglia
Curnow kicked 78.41 66% conversion
Naughton kicked 44.33 57% conversion
Actually:
Curnow 78.41 from 127 shots on goal @ 61.4% (plus 18 goal assists)
Naughton 44.33 from 88 shots on goal @ 50% (plus 22 goal assists)
Curnow has improved his accuracy this year (54.7% last year) whilst Naughton was slightly down (52.6% last year). Naughts maybe just below the mark for key forwards but not as bad as people make out.
I don't think Naughton should be judged solely on goals kicked. I don't think he needs to kick +70 either. 50-60 as part of a well functioning forward line will be fine if he's doing the other things he's so good at.
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I know who I’d rather in the RWB, and it ain’t Naughton.well not in the fwd line anyway.
And this is based more so on goal kicking accuracy and that curnow is a natural fwd which we severely lack.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
It also doesn't help that our ball movement and delivery inside 50 is putrid. It's not as simple as Naughton is as good as Curnow therefore should be kicking the same number of goals. Cornes should know better although I do agree that Aaron was disappointing this season.
Agreed. The number of times the ball was kicked on top of his head when he had space in front of him was frustrating. We've never had a key forward who works as hard as Astro does when he doesn't have the ball. Lots of repeat leads and efforts. Goal kicking an issue. Still only 23.