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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Any chance this is a fake leak from the club to put Melbourne off?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Tom Morris is a massive Demons fan. Maybe he's trying to cause some disruption in our preparation. I find it hard to believe that we could leak any team selection in grand final week. Bevo is still dirty on Michael Talia for leaking information in a final. It would be a brave man to leak any selection news in a grand final under Bevo's watch
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
The Gardner news aligns with information I got earlier in the week about likely changes. I think it’s a mistake, dees crumbers have an uncanny ability to hit the ball at pace from spoils, Gardner is our best spoiler and puts angle on them. He never lets it get behind the pack and also has the reach and closing speed to play on multiple sizes/shapes in that team.
I think this takes away some flexibility, I can only assume they have a very specific group of match ups in mind. It could just be that they see the job Cordy did last week as too good to be dropped. He definitely can’t play on Brown in my view.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Got to say will be surprised if Gardner isn’t named.
I’m not sure on the best match ups but would have thought Keath on McDonald and Gardner a better match up for Briwn who will do most of his work on the lead. Presumably we will role the dice and go short in the backline or push Schache onto Jackson again to follow him wherever he goes.
Starting to feel the nerves now.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Slept on it and like others have said, Cordy or Gardner's performance isn't our path to victory and both have significant weaknesses. Cordy's prelim was rock solid so if he can bring that, we'll be ok. I am concerned about our lack of overall height in defence though.
Keath will get the deepest forward which will obviously change throughout the game but I expect he'll get Brown for a lot of the game. That leaves Cordy on McDonald which I don't really think is ideal and that's without considering Gawn or Jackson.
I think that means we'll see Schache in defence at times and try to force the same type of match ups up forward as we did in rd 19 (Naughton to Lever, Hannan to May). Having Stef to take 80-100 minutes of ruck time helps immensely as it allows English to stay forward and stretch them.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I've got no idea BAD. You tell me!
Whilst you're going away and finding out that answer, here's how I'd go until you do:
FB - Williams, Cordy, Wood
HB - Dale, Keath, Duryea
C - R. Smith, Macrae, Hunter
HF - B Smith, English, Johansens*
FF - Weightman, Naughton, Hannan
Foll - Martin, Bontempelli, Liberatore
Int - Daniel, Treloar, Dunkley, Schache
Sub - Vandermeer
*In respect to the smartest and most successful knuckle dragger in the media, Gerard Healy
Firstly, that is possibly the sickest (channeling Happy Days here) team we have put on the park for a while. My heart breaks for Gardner, like it does for a lot of others who have missed out but with a few fluctuations with form and injury they could've been playing.
The shitting on Cordy isn't something I've ever really understood. He's relatively safe with the ball, he's always in the contest unless trapped in front and he can lay a decent tackle. It's as if we expect our backs to just not let good forwards get on top for parts of a game and that's unrealistic - especially if the system upfield breaks down which ours can do from time to time (like any good team's can). Good forwards beat good defenders all the time, it's going to happen to ours as well but as long as the group up the ground do what they should do to minimise the exposure then things should work out OK.
Gardner's dropping is disappointing and in honesty I'd have him in ahead of Cordy. But at the same time he slows us down when he gets the footy more than Cordy does and while the latter makes an occasional mistake with ball in hand he doesn't make us completely stagnant, and unfortunately Gardner does. I really feel for the bloke, I know what it's like to miss grand finals when you have a more than decent claim on being in the team and Saturday is going to rip him apart.
The forward mix I've selected versus those on the bench is just me thinking that the former gives us the best chance to get on the board early in the game, and then after seven to ten minutes start to rotate out and really hit Melbourne with our midfield depth as they get a bit tired. Schache is the everywhere man but I expect him to go forward to sit on Lever or May depending on who is in better form (there's no way May's hamstring is OK - trust this from someone who did five back related hamstrings in a single season), but it shouldn't happen until the game is settled a little bit.
It's going to be hot early and we need our midfield contingent and rolling up half forwards to blow valves early. They have back up in Treloar and Dunkley on the bench. There is a chance we'll be tightened up on and will struggle to score early, which means that things might need to be changed up early in the game getting these boys an early run.
Daniel is a massive wild card. He is agnostic to positions on the ground, he transcends common sense on a footy field because of how he finds it (which is an element of his game too often ignored and dreadfully underrated) and how he uses it. So I want us to just wait and see where and how he can be used best.
The medical sub in Vandermeer is the best choice. He can play forward from centre and we have a couple of players who can roll back to cover him if we lose a defender.
Lots of good content here jee and I feel we are well covered for lots of situations that the game will throw at us. I really think we will back our core midfield group (Macrae, Bont & Libba) to go H2H at most times with Melb, but as soon as one of Oliver or Trac get off the chain then Dunks goes to them in a more defensive role than he would normally play. Was interested to notice that Scott when activated as the sub chased Clarry around a fair bit after he had 15 (largely ineffective) touches in the 1st qtr which lessened his impact.... and lots talk about Clarry's haphazard forward entries, but Melb play a ''messy'' game so they just want territory rather than precision.
I can only talk on me, but the thing that irritates me the most with Cordy as highlighted, is his positioning in transition when he gives up too much room behind and due to his physical limitations he can't make ground to spoil (think the mark Ladhams took in Rd 23 in the 3rd qtr). I also think his first 5 steps are awfully slow and he gets dropped on the lead way too easily.... but the MC have more faith in him than others so I guess we hope he doesn't get exposed.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Well that's one change.
Who goes out for Weightman?
VDM to the medi-sub, Scott back to a regular emergency?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mofra
Well that's one change.
Who goes out for Weightman?
VDM to the medi-sub, Scott back to a regular emergency?
Surely paying $1.01
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
jazzadogs
I don't see Tom McDonald as a huge threat atm. Has only kicked 4 goals in his past 6 games, ~3 marks per game. 194cm 99kg - Zaine is 190cm and 90kg (at start of the year).
Zaine is 195cm ;) and 92kg see here
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I've got no idea BAD. You tell me!
Whilst you're going away and finding out that answer, here's how I'd go until you do:
FB - Williams, Cordy, Wood
HB - Dale, Keath, Duryea
C - R. Smith, Macrae, Hunter
HF - B Smith, English, Johansens*
FF - Weightman, Naughton, Hannan
Foll - Martin, Bontempelli, Liberatore
Int - Daniel, Treloar, Dunkley, Schache
Sub - Vandermeer
*In respect to the smartest and most successful knuckle dragger in the media, Gerard Healy
The medical sub in Vandermeer is the best choice. He can play forward from centre and we have a couple of players who can roll back to cover him if we lose a defender.
I would go with JJ in and VDM medical sub. Need JJ's experience.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Zaine is 195cm ;) and 92kg see
here
I know we don't want to go down this path as it's been done to death, but do we trust the WB website to be correct (think Lewis Young) given Zaine is listed at 193, and seems about that size, on other websites?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I know we don't want to go down this path as it's been done to death, but do we trust the WB website to be correct (think Lewis Young) given Zaine is listed at 193, and seems about that size, on other websites?
Listed on the club website at 195cm
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I know we don't want to go down this path as it's been done to death, but do we trust the WB website to be correct (think Lewis Young) given Zaine is listed at 193, and seems about that size, on other websites?
Agree that 193cm feels about right for Zaine, he's definitely taller than 190cm.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Listed on the club website at 195cm
Brent Harvey's listed height was exaggerated for years, official heights aren't always correct for whatever reason.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Testekill
Would much rather Gardner instead of Cordy, I thought that Cordy played very well last round but I just don't see who he plays on. He's not athletic enough to stay with Brown and he's not strong enough for McDonald. Then you add Jackson to the equation and I don't know what you'd do.
We need Cordy's knee.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Listed on the club website at 195cm
I get that, but he's listed at 193cm on other websites (including footywire) as I suggested.
My example of Lewis being listed at 201cm on club websites as opposed to 197cm on footywire is smelly.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I get that, but he's listed at 193cm on other websites (including footywire) as I suggested.
My example of Lewis being listed at 201cm on club websites as opposed to 197cm on footywire is smelly.
Footywire is not accurate. They list the heights of the players when they first start playing.
Anyway not a big deal, 2cm is nothing
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog4life
We need Cordy's knee.
Yes, who will his knee play on this time?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I can only talk on me, but the thing that irritates me the most with Cordy as highlighted, is his positioning in transition when he gives up too much room behind and due to his physical limitations he can't make ground to spoil (think the mark Ladhams took in Rd 23 in the 3rd qtr). I also think his first 5 steps are awfully slow and he gets dropped on the lead way too easily.... but the MC have more faith in him than others so I guess we hope he doesn't get exposed.
Agreed.
I'm a broken record but I just don't see what Cordy brings beyond appetite for contest. I'll agree he's OK at scrapping for the ball on the ground, but he often gets beaten on the lead (his acceleration is awful) or beaten 1-v-1. He played really well against Port but one game doesn't cover the glaring weaknesses in his game.
I think what hurts Cordy is he doesn't appear to have a long reach either, whereas Gardner does and it enables the latter to often get a fist to the ball.
Gardy isn't good with ball in hand and is susceptible to errors, but I just can't believe we're going to drop him. He's been very reliable and his ability to play 100% game time, play on different types and use his athletic ability to our advantage is important.
I've slept on it and the more I think about this, the more I think it's a really bad selection.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
SquirrelGrip
Yes, who will his knee play on this time?
The question is who will his knee knock into oblivion.....just like Wardy.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Anyway not a big deal, 2cm is nothing
Speak for yourself. I bought a Swedish pump on the promise of getting an extra 2cm. It’s not nothing.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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bulldogtragic
Speak for yourself. I bought a Swedish pump on the promise of getting an extra 2cm. It’s not nothing.
Of course depends on what you are measuring.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Of course depends on what you are measuring.
Or from where you start measuring
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mofra
Or from where you start measuring
Maybe they used with boots on
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
I know we don't want to go down this path as it's been done to death, but do we trust the WB website to be correct (think Lewis Young) given Zaine is listed at 193, and seems about that size, on other websites?
Because it is fun, so much fun.
I believe this responsibility should fall to Axeman and have players height and weight on the Contract Status Thread (assuming one exists).
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Because it is fun, so much fun.
I believe this responsibility should fall to Axeman and have players height and weight on the Contract Status Thread (assuming one exists).
Unfortunately I lost my job at the carnival guessing peoples heights and weights when one particularly rotund lady took offence to my estimate...
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I think I prefer Cordy over Gardiner myself. Zaino was pretty good against Port and I trust him more not to crack under the pressure of a GF. And TBH this isn't going to effect our chances imo.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
I expected Gardner to play and Cordy to be dropped, but I’m still puzzled that it’s seen as a dramatic selection shock and so much focus on Gardner being shattered.
Cordy’s credentials are just as strong, he was a key player in a defence which saw us top 2 while Gardner was injured and unavailable for long stretches, he did a solid job last week when he shouldered a load in the team defence which rendered Dixon a non-factor, he is much more experienced than Gardner. Not saying Gardner should have been picked before him, but it would have been line ball and Cordy omitted would also be a hard luck story.
Gardner has surprised us all with his improvement but he was also gifted many chances when he wasn’t ready. Of course he’d be desperately disappointed that he’s not playing and I feel for him but this is hardly a sheedy dropping Kickett story.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Everyone just hanging out for team selection? Gone quiet for a grand final week!
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Everyone just hanging out for team selection? Gone quiet for a grand final week!
Can't believe we still have 2 days to get through until the first bounce.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
comrade
Can't believe we still have 2 days to get through until the first bounce.
It’s more agonising than I thought it would be. After the final siren against port I thought this 2 weeks will be awesome knowing we’re playing in the grand final. But it’s just been agonising as i want to win this more than anything.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Stupid idea to have a week off prior to GF. It's lost all momentum.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Stupid idea to have a week off prior to GF. It's lost all momentum.
AFL stuffed themselves royally by not just having all finals from week 2 onwards held in WA or SA. The extra week was required for any quarantine requirements which wouldn't have been needed if they'd done that.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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comrade
AFL stuffed themselves royally by not just having all finals from week 2 onwards held in WA or SA. The extra week was required for any quarantine requirements which wouldn't have been needed if they'd done that.
Preach mate - exactly right.
I get the first week maybe to protect the surface from overload, but if Melbourne think they're winning a normal flag when we have travelled more than any team ever and have been only one of two teams in the eight to play against a home crowd (only team to have done it twice) they are having a laugh (are you having a laugh?).
I reckon what we've accomplished already trumps anything else possible. Those twats carrying on like they're all conquering will be vomit worthy.
They played a team that cheated their way into the top 4 on the back of our fail, and a bunch of geriatrics with gastro.
Unfortunately history wont see it that way.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
comrade
Can't believe we still have 2 days to get through until the first bounce.
And at the time of your post 2 days and 1 hour, 43 minutes.
We need a countdown clock on the woof home page.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
Axe Man
Unfortunately I lost my job at the carnival guessing peoples heights and weights when one particularly rotund lady took offence to my estimate...
I was more annoyed that you called me "ma'am".
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
Gardner and VDM out.
I would like but I don't want to.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
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Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
No mention of sub yet
There's never any mention of the sub until I think 1 hour before game time.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread - 2021 AFL Grand Final vs Melbourne
Those 2 guys are extremely unlucky. Feel for them.