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Maddog37
Isn't Bernie a bit of a party boy?
He hasn't been caught with E's in his pocket if that's what you mean.
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Not what I meant. Moreso that he may not always make his recovery and football preparation his number one priority.
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Greystache
Hasn't he missed 16 weeks with a recurrence of a pre-existing knee problem?
He might have but Mof mentioned a defender who went from Melbourne to Geelong.
TBH I always mix him up with Brad Miller-I got halfway through an article in an article in Inside Footy a few weeks ago about how much more Miller was enjoying his footy since he left the AFL and started playing at a local club. I didnt realise he'd been at Richmond in between! :o
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Twodogs
He might have but Mof mentioned a defender who went from Melbourne to Geelong.
I'm sure you've got the right player, and he's been back the last 2 weeks. I'm just not sure a player who came to the club with a knee problem and has missed 16 weeks in his first season has been a successful recruit.
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They picked up some garbage. Big H and Rivers have been the darlings of the medical room since last trade period.
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Maddog37
Not what I meant. Moreso that he may not always make his recovery and football preparation his number one priority.
Ok not sure about aptitude. What have you heard? I've never heard a bad report. I remember hearing about him being one of the first to leave as a young player during the Port vs Crows pub brawl a few years ago.
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1eyedog
Ok not sure about aptitude. What have you heard? I've never heard a bad report. I remember hearing about him being one of the first to leave as a young player during the Port vs Crows pub brawl a few years ago.
He got a suspension and $5000 fine at the start of last season (which he had to spend to buy tickets for supporters for the NAB Cup final) for drinking during the lead up to the game. He was also dropped in 2011 for another drinking offense. He has some form.
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1eyedog
Didn't he play this weekend?
The Watts discussion is a broken record on this forum. I reckon he has everything that Macca likes in a young man. He's also smart and will learn the game plan and his role in it quickly.
Think Macca will be attracted to the project and he would become next pet pretty quickly.
Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.
If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.
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Greystache
He got a suspension and $5000 fine at the start of last season (which he had to spend to buy tickets for supporters for the NAB Cup final) for drinking during the lead up to the game. He was also dropped in 2011 for another drinking offense. He has some form.
Yes it seems so given the above.
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whythelongface
Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.
If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.
I'd take it. I don't know what it is about him I just reckon he can still be a very good player with some confidence and a strong culture driven by strong leaders.
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whythelongface
Agree there is plenty of upside to Watts and a lot to work with.
If Melbourne do decide to trade him they would more thank likely request a 2nd round pick. Personally think a 2nd rounder is too high based on what he has shown.
Second rounder for an under-performing number one draftee who'll be right on 23 years old at the start of 2014 season, with an AFL conditioned body, but obvious football related mental weaknesses;
Or an unknown kid at a draft pick where it's borderline whether they'll play 50 games or be delisted in 2 years time, with no AFL fitness base/AFL ready body.
?
(if that's the deal, and the remuneration is agreeable, i'd take Watts with our culture to change him)
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1eyedog
Yes it seems so given the above.
I'd take it. I don't know what it is about him I just reckon he can still be a very good player with some confidence and a strong culture driven by strong leaders.
+1..
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M.R.M
Second rounder for an under-performing number one draftee who'll be right on 23 years old at the start of 2014 season, with an AFL conditioned body, but obvious football related mental weaknesses;
Or an unknown kid at a draft pick where it's borderline whether they'll play 50 games or be delisted in 2 years time, with no AFL fitness base/AFL ready body.
?
(if that's the deal, and the remuneration is agreeable, i'd take Watts with our culture to change him)
Agree with this post MRM, I reckon Macca & recruiting staff would jump at 2nd round for Watts. Not sure we'd get him for that though.
I think reason Watts did not sign up immediately is he has not been happy with culture & (my perception) autocratic coaching style of Neeld, not so much a money issue (although I think he will command a high price by whatever club takes him on).
Also I do think Macca would be a great mentor type coach for Watts and no matter whether he comes to us or not, I do hope he realised his high potential.
The adage big blokes take longer is so true.
I also agree with the poster that said Campbell should put the Swan's White option on hold - Campbell has been a revelation in last month and hope he can continue this as well as be our next main ruck. Goes to show one bad performance (earlier this year) should be seen as just that - do not write players off too soon.
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I'm torn on the Jack Watts discussion. He is one of the elite field kicks I've ever seen for a player his size - it is almost Chris Grant-esque. But he possesses such a dismal lack of intensity in everything he does, whether it be offensive or defensive minded - he flies half-hearted for marks whenever in a pack situation, and the less said about his work when his team doesn't have the ball the better. IMO it is bloody hard to teach intensity - either you have it or you don't - and I wouldn't be interested in getting Watts unless he was deadly serious about become the best possible footballer he can be, and that his lack of drive and intensity he is showing now is a by-product of being deeply unhappy at his current club.
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Sedat
I'm torn on the Jack Watts discussion. He is one of the elite field kicks I've ever seen for a player his size - it is almost Chris Grant-esque. But he possesses such a dismal lack of intensity in everything he does, whether it be offensive or defensive minded - he flies half-hearted for marks whenever in a pack situation, and the less said about his work when his team doesn't have the ball the better. IMO it is bloody hard to teach intensity - either you have it or you don't - and I wouldn't be interested in getting Watts unless he was deadly serious about become the best possible footballer he can be, and that his lack of drive and intensity he is showing now is a by-product of being deeply unhappy at his current club.
J.Grant has managed to lift / be taught his?
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Can't see us taking Watts. I highly recommend Macca's post match in its entirety for those who haven't yet seen it. He basically says he wants a team of hard ethical players who work for each other, that a premiership is built from the ground up of team orientated men, and that anyone who won't play team can get stuffed (Macca says it much better....) I'm not sure he's looking to acquire a bloke who needs mental TLC. He wants mental warriors who are ready to embrace team work rate and moral (looking out for each other) grounding. Watts doesn't seem to fit that profile as I think Melbourne broke him. What a waste.