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I will kick off with:
North Melbourne make $5m offer for Jordan De Goey - read article here
North keep trying to entice a marque player but have not been successful, even with big dollars.
That's ridiculous money for a guy who is still questionable. Granted he's had a decent season and you have to add in a twenty percent premium to get players to move, but wow. Whats Bonti worth then ? I'm scared to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
FWIW have seen repeatedly rumours that Dahl is going to the Cats and Wallis to the Lions.
I can't imagine what Tom Lynch will command. He's been linked to Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn but Collingwood don't have the cap space to get him unless they move on both De Goey and Moore, and even then they are hamstrung with Mayne & Wells both contracted for next year ($600k & $500k respectively).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grantysghost
There are a pair of McGoverns floating around, WCE's version looking at close to 1 million. Gaff will earn a pretty penny on the open market as a FA.
There are some big players yet to sign. Then we consider Gold Coast will have a billion early picks and cap space after Lynch leaves, which is appearing more likely. They desperately need a senior mid.
I really hope Lynch stays where he his, I would not like him at any other club that has a premiership window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mofra
They may have offers, but we will see if we want them or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dry Rot
Have the cats got anything to offer of note ? I thought they traded all their picks away.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
Dahl is a free agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledge
Well I imagine their salary cap would be pretty full anyway, not sure they could match anything we could offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
Or if they want to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
The salary cap is a malleable object for some clubs. Just like the FA compensation we get for Dahl would be a lot different if he was a Melbourne player. The AFL would find a way to justify giving them a first round pick while we will struggle to get a third rounder for the exact same contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledge
What is we only wanted to pay $500,000 over 3 years? I can't see him being worth more to us. But if get a couple of retirements and they can do $575,000 but over 4 years... I'd much rather let him go over that extra $300,000 over four years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledge
But let's just see what happens once the silly season starts.
Taylor's retirement will cover it for next year, although I still think they'll chase Lycett hard as priority no 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledge
Their recent retirements would have freed up some cash too - Mackie, Enright, Lonergan, etc.
The Roar got some updates this morning regarding Jordan De Goey:
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Jordan De Goey is reportedly on the verge of signing a new two-year deal with Collingwood despite reports of offers in the range of $5 million over five years from North Melbourne and St Kilda.
I'm not suprised. 1/ who wants to play at North or St Kilda? 2/ why would you want the pressure of a million dollar contract when you are barely established as an AFL footballer? 3/ some people (unlike, say, Callan Ward for instance) have a bit of dignity and remember who gave them their break and don't go running off with the first suitor to flutter their eyes in their direction. Jordan do Gooey will still make an obscene amount of money, he will be a club legend (instead of attracting ridicule for missing a premiership and being despised by the supporter base of his original, unlike, say, Callan Ward for instance)
Good for de a Gooey, it sounds like his management have half a brain and an eye to the long game,
Any interest in Polec?
In-demand speedster yet to commit to Power
Offers plenty of what we need, run, carry, pace, decent skills, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
The problems I see are that surely if he leaves it would be for cash since he's originally from SA and returned there from Brisbane. In which case teams like North or St Kilda are likely to offer him more than we can. Also he would probably demand a late first, early second round pick at worst, obviously an issue given we don't have any of those and we need picks for draft points as well.
Wow as Axe Man says he has what we need. But he seriously can’t be thinking of going to a third club?!Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
That's a pretty basic article that you could bring up about 20 players on every list to say that with.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
I would approach with caution. When he arrived from Brisbane he was apparently in worse than terrible condition and allegedly had a penchant for partying. Apparently they took him aside and gave him quite a bollocking and I'm hazy but I think he may have been initially banished from the club till he presented in a better condition. He actually trained a little with a Div. 2 amateur club where I know a few guys and apparently he would be trailing behind in everything they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
Obviously he was able to get his shit together (at least physically) but my worry would be that maybe he doesn't meet the no dickheads policy. Also, on the back of the 2017 rumours about our group do we really risk adding a bloke who has a reputation (although to be fair it might have just been when at Brisbane) when our first pick could also be a bloke with big question marks on him (Rankine)?
North have reportedly offered Polec a long term deal in excess of $700,000 per season.
If that's true and Polec doesn't take it his parents should disown him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
Would be a nice little nugget for Norf after missing out on LeBron.Quote:
Originally Posted by EasternWest
What's the point of a war chest if you can't spend it?
Laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
Of course. But is it spending by offering Polec that much, or squandering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedat
They were right into Ronaldo too until Juventus came on the scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedat
Apparently they’re in for Pogba
Cahill?
Does anyone think there should be a rule that the top 4 teams should not be eligible to take on a player like Lynch? It just makes the stronger teams stronger.
It'd make sense. But strong clubs would oppose it and probably the AFLPA too. So would we back back the AFEL to make a decision like this? I wouldn't. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
I don't like rules like that, you're basically saying teams should be handicapped for getting a lot of things right.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
We already have a draft helps the teams that finish lower on the ladder and a salary cap that stops the bigger clubs to buy their way to a flag. Do we really need another way of leveling things?
It is something similar that happens in the US, just another way to even up the comp.Quote:
Originally Posted by GVGjr
Paul Roos has been making comments that touch on this point and, on the back of this, claims that the draft is not the equalisation method it once was/is supposed to be and needs to overhauled.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
‘The definition of stupidity’: Paul Roos calls for an overhaul of AFL draft
PREMIERSHIP coach Paul Roos has demanded an overhaul of the draft, saying the so-called equalisation tool is no longer performing its role in the era of free agency.
To support his case, Roos looked at three powerhouse clubs from the past decade and compared them to three cellar dwellers, who have been gifted with the No. 1 pick.
Hawthorn, Sydney and Geelong have all remained relevant in the modern era without bottoming out, with the clubs able to attract mega trades and free agents.
Lance Franklin, Patrick Dangerfield and Jaeger O’Meara are all testaments to this.
Roos said the heightened interest around the No. 1 draft pick was folly given it had hardly provided last-placed teams with a mechanism to climb up the ladder — and as such, the draft wasn’t fulfilling its purpose.
“People out there, mainly recruiters, are going to go, ‘That’s ridiculous’,” Roos said on Fox Footy’s On The Couch.
“But this is why it’s not: From 2007-2017, Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney — for 33 seasons combined — have missed the finals only four of those seasons.
“The other ledger: Carlton, Brisbane and Melbourne — in the same period — have made the finals four out of 33 seasons.
“You want to talk about draft picks? The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
Full article:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the...ac39ed19b74d1a
The thing that always scared me about free agency was the Judd style pay loopholes that some clubs have been able to utilise in the past and the more lucrative commercial opportunities the bigger clubs can flaunt. Even just having the blockbuster marquee games has got to be a selling point.
If I was a Collingwood recruiter I would almost open with:
"You get to play Anzac day"
"You get to play weekly at the G"
"We have more sponsors with more money to share round"
"Ed will get you media opportunities that other clubs cant"
The talk that Richmond will get Lynch (whilst North Melbourne can't get anybody) is concerning. It also means that clubs like North Melbourne (and us) will likely have to pay a premium in any contract offer.
Maybe clubs having to pay a "transfer fee" that is a sliding scale depending on ladder position (with marquee game holders also up for a premium) could be one way to level the playing field a little. This one off fee would have to be incorporated into the next years salary cap (which would certainly hobble the clubs with the best lists in most cases).
But does the competition need it? I'd say no.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
There is a fair chance that all you will do is drag the overall standard down not lift it up.
The salary cap does a great job at leveling out the competition and if you make the right decisions you will get your chances of success.
The draft also plays it's part as well so I'm not sure why you think we need to drag successful teams down or make it harder for them to succeed?
Dangerfield and Ablett to Geelong and Franklin to Sydney hasn't necessarily made them unbeatable. GWS manipulated the draft for years and it hasn't quite delivered them a flag either because they also had to let players go due to the salary cap.
I don't think what you are proposing will fix the competition.
The question is - who was the large marquee signing to play in a premiership side?Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
The biggest player movements in recent times seems to be Ablett, Buddy, Dangerfield... none of them end up with a flag. You'd probably have to go back to Ottens as a mega trade that bore fruit.
Judd is considered a success and he didn't even play that many finals for Carlton.
Tom Boyd is a special case considering he was a 9-game kid when we offered a massive deal, his 5 goals in a quarter on two opponents in the TAC Cup still a fresh memory.
Hawks did get O'Meara - but after they sold the farm for him, he wasn't a FA
Sydney getting Lance (and Tippett) lost them the very players that might have snagged them a flag - especially Mumford.
Geelong had to trade for Danger after he said he wanted Adelaide to get some form of compensation. Adelaide at least made a GF after he left, Geelong look like they're heading for a cliff.
TBH I think teams that take a chance on cheap marginal types who come good do much better than those who target superstars.
Of our 7 premiership defenders we had 5 former rookies (including Biggs who was also a virtual freebie trade from Sydney), a DFA, a PSD pick and Wood at pick 43. Development > FA.
I don’t know of any rules in any US sports that have a rule that precludes top teams from signing top free agents outside of standard salary cap or luxury tax penalties. I may be wrong but nothing comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornadog
I also think it’s a bad idea and agree with GVG that salary cap and draft are big enough equalisation measures.
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