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Operation Get Tom Boyd - Done and dusted
Right, I'll put it out there.
I'm going to get whacked from some posters
They're talking once in a generation forward.
Requires lateral thinking. Big Will and pick 5 for pick 1.
( love will, gotta think laterally)
Please don't post Big Footy 12 year old trades that would never see the light of day.
Thoughts?
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
Is Boyd actually that good?
I am missing something. Hogan looked a lot better as a 17yo and apparently he wasn't worth pick 5 last year...why is Boyd worth double that this year?
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Right, I'll put it out there.
I'm going to get whacked from some posters
They're talking once in a generation forward.
Requires lateral thinking. Big Will and pick 5 for pick 1.
( love will, gotta think laterally)
Please don't post Big Footy 12 year old trades that would never see the light of day.
Thoughts?
Melbourne will get a priority, most likely pick one. So if Boyd goes one, that's the pick to target.
Would they want Wilbur. Jamar is the first with Dawes and Clarke pinch hitting.
Would they take Cooney? If this is the way to go.
* I'm not saying do this, just partaking in conversation.
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Originally Posted by
mjp
Is Boyd actually that good?
I am missing something. Hogan looked a lot better as a 17yo and apparently he wasn't worth pick 5 last year...why is Boyd worth double that this year?
I'm going on what's being said that Boyd's a beauty that's all.
Do we know that the club didn't offer up pick 5 for Hogan?
We were trumped by the Dees having an earlier pick anyway.
I'm just putting up a discussion
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Melbourne will get a priority, most likely pick one. So if Boyd goes one, that's the pick to target.
Would they want Wilbur. Jamar is the first with Dawes and Clarke pinch hitting.
Would they take Cooney? If this is the way to go.
* I'm not saying do this, just partaking in conversation.
If they get a priority they won't get pick one.
I'm referring to GWS .
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Originally Posted by
mjp
Is Boyd actually that good?
I am missing something. Hogan looked a lot better as a 17yo and apparently he wasn't worth pick 5 last year...why is Boyd worth double that this year?
To me he is ahead of Patton. Strong mark, physical and an accurate kick. It will take time and he needs to work hard but I think he is a great prospect. Not sure what we could put together to move up the order but we should consider it.
He was very good today even allowing that VM played the NSW/ACT side.
If we don't get the PP this year though I doubt we have the currency.
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
If they get a priority they won't get pick one.
I'm referring to GWS .
In that case they may want Will.
But then we'd have another underdeveloped forward with no ruck to speak of. I would need to be convinced of our plan to get a ruckman of som quality to cover the ruck.
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Right, I'll put it out there.
I'm going to get whacked from some posters
They're talking once in a generation forward.
Requires lateral thinking. Big Will and pick 5 for pick 1.
( love will, gotta think laterally)
Please don't post Big Footy 12 year old trades that would never see the light of day.
Thoughts?
Sorry, not willing to give up Will.
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Rather hold onto everything and get Gumby in the PSD.
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Sorry, not willing to give up Will.
Just hope in two to three years time where not on here talking about Boyd and Will's 30 and coming to the end.
It's left field, butback in 01 it was radical when Hawthorn traded Croad.
Remember the protest?
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Just hope in two to three years time where not on here talking about Boyd and Will's 30 and coming to the end.
It's left field, butback in 01 it was radical when Hawthorn traded Croad.
Remember the protest?
Take your point, Hodge was worth it.
But it was also pretty radical to trade for a soon to be delisted player in order for a club to not resign a star and leave them no option in the PSD. :)
Is Boyd more Hodge or Rawlings? Luck of the draw.
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I still think GWS won't take Boyd at 1 especially when Franklin seems certain to be going there. Melbourne won't take him because they already have Clark, Dawes & Hogan. So I have Boyd slipping to pick 3 & us likely to be finishing there.
If Boyd goes 1 or 2 then so be it. I'd be devastated like i was when GC got Jack Martin but forgot about Martin once we picked up Stringer. We'll get a ripper at our pick anyway.
Would only consider trading Will if we got an extra 1st round pick, not worth trading him for an upgrade of a few spots in the form he has been in. I can't see that happening anyway.
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Just a thought anyway. Would like to see some permutation adopted to get him.
Maybe GWS could throw in that compo pick. Won't happen,but anyway.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Take your point, Hodge was worth it.
But it was also pretty radical to trade for a soon to be delisted player in order for a club to not resign a star and leave them no option in the PSD. :)
Is Boyd more Hodge or Rawlings? Luck of the draw.
Judging by the reports he's more Hodge than Rawlings
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Just a thought anyway. Would like to see some permutation adopted to get him.
Maybe GWS could throw in that compo pick. Won't happen,but anyway.
What else have we got that GWS need? That's what you have to look at.
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Sorry, not willing to give up Will.
Me neither, at the moment and for some time to come he is the best ruck in the competition, wins the first ball for us every time.
And its not like we have much in the way of backup ruckman.
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
What else have we got that GWS need? That's what you have to look at.
That's why I threw up Minson.
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Right, I'll put it out there.
I'm going to get whacked from some posters
They're talking once in a generation forward.
Requires lateral thinking. Big Will and pick 5 for pick 1.
( love will, gotta think laterally)
Please don't post Big Footy 12 year old trades that would never see the light of day.
Thoughts?
What do we do for a ruckman then?
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Probably go the trade table.
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If we traded for a higher pick but still got pipped at the post, would be livid. Nobody is going to give up pick 1.
Happy to just wait and see.
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
I still think GWS won't take Boyd at 1 especially when Franklin seems certain to be going there. Melbourne won't take him because they already have Clark, Dawes & Hogan. So I have Boyd slipping to pick 3 & us likely to be finishing there.
If Boyd goes 1 or 2 then so be it. I'd be devastated like i was when GC got Jack Martin but forgot about Martin once we picked up Stringer. We'll get a ripper at our pick anyway.
Would only consider trading Will if we got an extra 1st round pick, not worth trading him for an upgrade of a few spots in the form he has been in. I can't see that happening anyway.
I disagree with Melbourne not wanting him, they could really set up their next decade with both Hogan and Boyd, Dawes would be a decent mentor playing alongside them both whilst developing, i don't think anyone really believes Dawes is a real gun KPF, and Clark played his best season imo in the ruck for the Lions, plus he's been far too injury prone in his career to be heavily relied on.
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Originally Posted by
mighty_west
I disagree with Melbourne not wanting him, they could really set up their next decade with both Hogan and Boyd, Dawes would be a decent mentor playing alongside them both whilst developing, i don't think anyone really believes Dawes is a real gun KPF, and Clark played his best season imo in the ruck for the Lions, plus he's been far too injury prone in his career to be heavily relied on.
Agree on your synopsis there MW but Melbourne just need quality mids over and above every other thing. They simply have to take a midfielder and to take anything else is crazy.
That said, if they get a compensation pick, they might get the best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by
The Doctor
What do we do for a ruckman then?
Draft Cameron Wood?:D
Love the idea of Boyd but i think the price might be too high.
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Just a thought anyway. Would like to see some permutation adopted to get him.
Maybe GWS could throw in that compo pick. Won't happen,but anyway.
Maybe they could give us Cal Ward back? We could send pick 22 or whatever it was their way.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Twodogs
Maybe they could give us Cal Ward back? We could send pick 22 or whatever it was their way.:rolleyes:
I think the compo pick we got was pick 6 or a first round pick.
Harbrow was the second round pick.
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Will GWS actually want him?
If the reports that they are after Buddy are true then they'll have Cameron, Patton, Franklin and Boyd. Makes them incredibly top heavy.
Melbourne yes although they already have Hogan(who at this stage is better then Boyd), Clarke and Dawes.
I can't see it working, we'd need to get pick one and we just don't have the currency to trade up like that. Maybe our first 2 picks + Cooney or something like that might work but that's a huge reach.
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Originally Posted by
SlimPickens
Will GWS actually want him?
They shouldn't be scared off by what they already have on their list. If they judge as being the best they should select him.
I think they could be talked into accepting another deal though if someone like Melbourne offered them pick 2 and their 2nd round pick providing they rate another player very highly.
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Originally Posted by
azabob
I think the compo pick we got was pick 6 or a first round pick.
Harbrow was the second round pick.
Yep. That's how we got picks 5 and 6 in last years draft. I'm just greedy is all. I'll get used to watching Macrae put his head over the ball and Stringer kick goals from all over the park but I'd love to see Cal alongside them.
I'm still a football romantic so they could have had anyone but Cal (local, his dad played for Yarraville, future captain etc.) and it wouldnt have felt like such a kick in the guts.
Speaking of which have we activated/traded on the pick (twenty something) that we got for Sam Reid yet?
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Originally Posted by
Twodogs
Speaking of which have we activated/traded on the pick (twenty something) that we got for Sam Reid yet?
We used that pick on Josh Prudden in the 2012 ND. It was a band 5 compensation pick, which ended up being a 3rd round pick. We otherwise would have delisted Reid so it ended up being a bonus pick.
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Originally Posted by
mjp
Is Boyd actually that good?
This is always the risk, no use paying overs.
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
mjp
Is Boyd actually that good?
I am missing something. Hogan looked a lot better as a 17yo and apparently he wasn't worth pick 5 last year...why is Boyd worth double that this year?
All good questions to ask.
I wonder how many people would have given up Jeremy Cameron's pick and a first round pick to get Patton a couple of years ago?
Right now Cameron's numbers, for a kid in a developing zero wins side, is as good as any key forward in the history of the game.
In Buddy's and Pendlebury's year, pick 5 ended up being the best in the draft (and who knows about 2012 yet ;))
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Originally Posted by
wimberga
Agree on your synopsis there MW but Melbourne just need quality mids over and above every other thing. They simply have to take a midfielder and to take anything else is crazy.
That said, if they get a compensation pick, they might get the best of both worlds.
You can get quality mids later in the draft. I agree with mighty_west — he'll go pick 1 or 2
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Originally Posted by
BornAScragger
You can get quality mids later in the draft. I agree with mighty_west — he'll go pick 1 or 2
You should be able to, but Melbourne cant.
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Originally Posted by
Twodogs
Maybe they could give us Cal Ward back? We could send pick 22 or whatever it was their way.:rolleyes:
Give us a spell FFS.
They actually get a compo pick again this year.
I sincerely apologise for putting the idea out there.
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Originally Posted by
Remi Moses
Give us a spell FFS.
They actually get a compo pick again this year.
I sincerely apologise for putting the idea out there.
It's OK Remi it was just a joke. But I may just never let go of this one...
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Originally Posted by
Twodogs
It's OK Remi it was just a joke. But I may just never let go of this one...
But like gifting a side their star :p
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Originally Posted by
SlimPickens
Will GWS actually want him?
If the reports that they are after Buddy are true then they'll have Cameron, Patton, Franklin and Boyd. Makes them incredibly top heavy.
Melbourne yes although they already have Hogan(who at this stage is better then Boyd), Clarke and Dawes.
I can't see it working, we'd need to get pick one and we just don't have the currency to trade up like that. Maybe our first 2 picks + Cooney or something like that might work but that's a huge reach.
Word is Gold Coast are now fishing for Buddy.
Backended contracts means they may have the space:eek:
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What if the Hawks trade buddy to GWS to obtain pick 1 and use it to select Boyd? It's better than the pick 20ish they get through FA, and protects their KPF stocks.
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Originally Posted by
stevw9
What if the Hawks trade buddy to GWS to obtain pick 1 and use it to select Boyd? It's better than the pick 20ish they get through FA, and protects their KPF stocks.
Makes sense Stevew.
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Re: Operation Get Tom Boyd
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Originally Posted by
stevw9
What if the Hawks trade buddy to GWS to obtain pick 1 and use it to select Boyd? It's better than the pick 20ish they get through FA, and protects their KPF stocks.
Why would GWS trade pick 1 for a player they can pick up for free?