Proactive Poaching

I know that clubs are not supposed to be talking to players from other teams but it is no secret that they still do.

A few years ago I was mystified why no one (especially Victorian teams) had targeted Tom Doedee. He was killing it at SANFL level but couldn’t crack even a single game with the Crows who had a solid defensive unit at the time (the likes of Lever, Talia, Smith, etc.). He was in the last year of his contract in 2017 (drafted in 2015) and is Victorian. It wasn’t until after the Crows realised they were losing Lever that they came to him with a contract extension (it was the end of August) and he finally played his first game in 2018 (then played 20 for the season). Surely he must have been a little disgruntled and surely he was gettable (and would have been pretty cheap).

So are there any other “under the radar” types, players that aren’t getting the coin they should warrant, or players that just aren’t getting a gig who we should be talking to?

I’d love us to have a word to Darcy Fogarty. I know he is South Australian, but he is a contested marking beast and exactly the type of player that we currently need Naughton to be. He is also a natural forward and a beautiful kick of the footy (and very accurate even from outside 50). The Crows are playing him down back in the SANFL, with their defensive stocks thinner than their forward stocks and he is not likely to get a run forward until the likes of Walker or Jenkins retire. All this should make him gettable and, whilst we might need to offer him overs, he should come relatively cheap.

Brody Mihocek is another I would be sounding out. Still on a rookie contract and the same type of player as Fogarty. Collingwood’s cap must be bursting too, so any decent offer we make might be difficult for them to match.

*Apologies, I intended to put this in the AFL talk forum

Mason Wood and Rory Thompson

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Originally Posted by boydogs

Mason Wood and Rory Thompson

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I’ve seen Mason Wood miss some easy shots haha, but I do like him as a player though.

We meet with player agents frequently during the season to see which ones might be either unhappy at their current club looking for an opportunity elsewhere and then consider if they fit the profile of the type of player we need.
I'm sure we are proactive in our endeavours to attract the right players but I do think it's harder for us unless we are prepared to pay over the odds as we are not currently seen as a genuine finals caliber side.

It's one of the reason why I was dirty on our 2017 season because I genuinely believe if we had backed up on our success in 2016 we would have had a lot more interest in the better players considering a long career at the Kennel.

Good thread TAC.

The podcast mjp recommended 'behind the lines' has an episode with a Marty Pask that looks at this actually

Brayden Sier at Collingwood. Potential to be a Josh Kennedy like midfielder. Pies have an abundance of inside mids.

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Brayden Sier at Collingwood. Potential to be a Josh Kennedy like midfielder. Pies have an abundance of inside mids.

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Trained with us but Collingwood got him before us , good mate with lipinski.
Eltham boy.

I’d look to proactively poach Bailey Williams, Pat Lipinski and Lewis Young.

Am I doing it right?

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Originally Posted by azabob

I’d look to proactively poach Bailey Williams, Pat Lipinski and Lewis Young.

Am I doing it right?

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I said it and have been pulled up on that concept. But I agree, there's ramifications far beyond the head coaches desire to select teams in a different way.

Roughead from the pies?

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Originally Posted by Grantysghost

Roughead from the pies?

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It is very frustrating to see Dahlhaus, Roughie & Stringer performing well.
Not that I wish them ill, but more the knowledge that if we were the beneficiaries of their performances this year, we'd be a damn sight better club.

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We meet with player agents frequently during the season to see which ones might be either unhappy at their current club looking for an opportunity elsewhere and then consider if they fit the profile of the type of player we need.
I'm sure we are proactive in our endeavours to attract the right players but I do think it's harder for us unless we are prepared to pay over the odds as we are not currently seen as a genuine finals caliber side.

It's one of the reason why I was dirty on our 2017 season because I genuinely believe if we had backed up on our success in 2016 we would have had a lot more interest in the better players considering a a long career at the Kennel.

Good thread TAC.

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Our lack of scalps at the end of 2016 (and losing Hamling to boot) is part of what inspired this thread.

If you take a player like Fogarty (or Lipinski for us) they both landed at precisely where they wanted to go and they probably have more goodwill and patience than they otherwise might. I can’t imagine player agents are going to mention them as players looking to move.

I’d like us to call Fogarty’s agent and throw an offer at him that sits him down in his chair and would make anyone reconsider toiling away as a fullback in the SANFL with the hopes of getting a call up and scraping out a few games (or having to wait till Walker or Jenkins retire to get a gig up forward). Hell, work out who the Sam Reid to his Callan Ward is and tell him we will rookie them too.

Put the idea in his head now. Then with every hammering that the Crows 2’s get on a shitty, cold afternoon in Noarlunga, that offer might start eating away at him and sounding pretty unbeatable. Meanwhile, his agent starts thinking about the extra $$$ he will make over the modest contract the Crows will throw at him and starts warming to the idea.

Sure, we are not exactly setting the world on fire at the moment but we could make a damn strong case that we are closer to a flag than they are and we are in the position to promise him (or Sier, or Mihocek, Wood, etc.) the world.

All for this and love the double positive pun on poaching.(by nature it’s being proactive but in a stealthy way)
Unfortunately we are not a destination club . So we can entice as much as we want but we end up being the under bidder

Why have we missed players like ?
Sam collins: holding down KPP at suns and has taken a heap of intercept mark
Sydney stack : brilliant x-factor and that battering hip and shoulder on Viney was a beauty
Gibbons : won several vfl best and fairest got finally given a go
ATKINS : tackling machine with geelong vfl


I just hate how the hawks get players and they become even better
Scrimshaw: has held his position with the hawks, 2 years with suns traded for In exchange for Scrimshaw, Gold Coast will receive the Hawks’ future third round draft pick, for the Suns’ future fourth round selectio
Henderson : his having a breakout season

Milera: finally gotten over his injuries and is playing well

Tom Lynch is another who could not get a game at the saints a few years ago, behind riewoldt And Rhys stanley
Newman : looks becoming replacement for kade Simpson
We seem to be recruiting good citizens , but have they got an xfactor that stands out like some of the above ?

Getting them is one challenge and then developing them and ironing out their deficiencies is another . Maybe I will put it in one of the other threads on coaching and development etc.... ie our goal kicking is terrible

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All for this and love the double positive pun on poaching.(by nature it’s being proactive but in a stealthy way)
Unfortunately we are not a destination club . So we can entice as much as we want but we end up being the under bidder

Why have we missed players like ?
Sam collins: holding down KPP at suns and has taken a heap of intercept mark
Sydney stack : brilliant x-factor and that battering hip and shoulder on Viney was a beauty
Gibbons : won several vfl best and fairest got finally given a go
ATKINS : tackling machine with geelong vfl


I just hate how the hawks get players and they become even better
Scrimshaw: has held his position with the hawks, 2 years with suns traded for In exchange for Scrimshaw, Gold Coast will receive the Hawks’ future third round draft pick, for the Suns’ future fourth round selectio
Henderson : his having a breakout season

Milera: finally gotten over his injuries and is playing well

Tom Lynch is another who could not get a game at the saints a few years ago, behind riewoldt And Rhys stanley
Newman : looks becoming replacement for kade Simpson
We seem to be recruiting good citizens , but have they got an xfactor that stands out like some of the above ?

Getting them is one challenge and then developing them and ironing out their deficiencies is another . Maybe I will put it in one of the other threads on coaching and development etc.... ie our goal kicking is terrible

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Ha, glad you liked it. I wanted to emphasise the “Poach early, avoid the rush” angle of my thinking.

That is a fair list of players. There are no doubt plenty more that haven’t worked out (we have owned lots of those) and Carlton have been aggressive in recruiting GWS cast aways for more misses than hits.

Speaking of Carlton, I would add Will Setterfield to your list. Good size, great skills and user, and he was highly touted in his draft year (went at pick 5 in 2016). Only knock on him has been his body- has just come back from an ACL and hasn’t been able to get a clear run at it yet.

I would be appalled if we hadn’t at least had a really good look and I am pretty sure he was a bulldog supporter (and his cousin is also Isabel Huntington) so we surely would have been in with a shot.

Left-field selection because he'd need a bit of work, but Jy Simpkin.

On the outer at North (dropped again this week) but has shown some flashes of genuine X factor and goal sense in the past. Might be the type that flourishes under a different system.

Cheaper: Cedric Cox. Contracted to the end of next year, but contracts mean very little and trading under contract is better value. Just ask Marcus Adams. Cox has speed and skills, we were apparently hoping to get him with the pick used on Lipinski.
Moderate: Tomlinson. Free agent tall defender. I wouldn't mind pressuring the Swans salary cap, by making good offers on their mid to mid-upper range talent (whom they love) like Hayward or Florent. The media report old man Buddy is on $1.5M next year during a rebuild, I'd prefer to play elsewhere to that. They've got contracts, but it seems trading under contract is where the value is to a club now.
Expensive: Kelly. Using the 'Wingard money'.

St Kilda are apparently sniffing around all of Tomlinson, Jack Martin and Zac Jones. Unfortunately they may appear a more attractive destination at seasons end if we won't turn things around soon.

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St Kilda are apparently sniffing around all of Tomlinson, Jack Martin and Zac Jones. Unfortunately they may appear a more attractive destination at seasons end if we won't turn things around soon.

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I just read this article (there is also a radio interview via the link). Sounds like Tomlinson is likely to stay, but of course a lot can change. As Bulldogtragic mentioned, he is a restricted free agent too.

https://www.sportsradio.com.au/exclu...laying-future/

GWS Giants star Adam Tomlinson provides update on playing future
GWS Giants star Adam Tomlinson says he isn’t going anywhere amid talk St Kilda are interested in the big man’s signature for next season and beyond.

The key defender – who has played 120 games for the Giants since debuting in 2012 is off contract at season’s end and did meet with the Saints at the end of 2017 – before choosing to remain with GWS.

He is one of several key players off contract for the club alongside Josh Kelly and Stephen Coniglio in what is an important time for the Western Sydney based club who lost the likes of Dylan Shiel, Tom Scully and Rory Lobb in the off season.

Tomlinson will be an unrestricted free agent meaning it will be harder for the Giants to keep him if he chooses to look interstate, however the 25-year-old says he’s not going anywhere just yet.

“It might have just been a slow news day to be honest,” Tomlinson said.

“But no I’m very happy to be playing footy.

“A lot of things get put in the media and read out by the people but it was a funny one, I was lying on a massage bed when that got released and a few of the boys sent a few texts.

“I was like ‘Na, it’s all good’.

“The club’s got to work through the bigger fish in Josh Kelly and Stephen Coniglio first, so that’s alright.”

Tomlinson who originates from Victoria was taken at pick nine in the 2011 Draft is averaging 19 disposals and six marks for the Giants this season.

GWS will take on the Swans in the ‘Battle of the Bridge in a blockbuster event on Saturday evening at the SCG.

I'd be happy to look at Fogarty; he had 9 kicked on him by Liam McBean a few weeks ago and Adelaide seem determined to stick with their old front running forward line so they might be willing to give up on him too.

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I'd be happy to look at Fogarty; he had 9 kicked on him by Liam McBean a few weeks ago and Adelaide seem determined to stick with their old front running forward line so they might be willing to give up on him too.

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They might be willing to give up on him, but I say don't even make it their decision. I would go hard for him and hopefully he sees more opportunity and a better contract (and a team that wants him badly) and tells them that he wants out.

There's a young guns series of games coming up for the kids that weren't taken in the 2018 draft. First game at Sandy May 5th. I'll get some close feedback from the Vic Metro kids so I'll post what I find out. Should be some Sydney Stack types.

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I'd be happy to look at Fogarty; he had 9 kicked on him by Liam McBean a few weeks ago and Adelaide seem determined to stick with their old front running forward line so they might be willing to give up on him too.

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Would you consider McBean

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Originally Posted by bornadog

Would you consider McBean

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I would not.

I've always liked Ben Ainsworth from the Suns. Victorian country kid, hard at it and decent skills. High pick so going to be hard to pry away but I would like to be proactive with him. As far as I know he is signed until end of 2020.

Nic Coffield was a high pick to St.Kilda two years ago, and I believe we were interested. Hasn't come close to being picked this year, I have no idea if that decision is justified or no. Was a Bulldogs supporter growing up as well.

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Originally Posted by azabob

I’d look to proactively poach Bailey Williams, Pat Lipinski and Lewis Young.

Am I doing it right?

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Exactly. There's an opposition supporter on a forum right now talking about Lippa in the 2nds.

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Nic Coffield was a high pick to St.Kilda two years ago, and I believe we were interested. Hasn't come close to being picked this year, I have no idea if that decision is justified or no. Was a Bulldogs supporter growing up as well.

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Rumour has it Coffield cried when he found out the Saints were taking him a pick before our first selection. I don’t know if that is bs but it’s a nice story.

I recall a lot of posters were keen on Coffield. Played ten games last year but can’t get a look this year and they are apparently giving him midfield minutes in the 2’s to try to add a string to his bow. I definitely think we should be in his ear.

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Rumour has it Coffield cried when he found out the Saints were taking him a pick before our first selection. I don’t know if that is bs but it’s a nice story.

I recall a lot of posters were keen on Coffield. Played ten games last year but can’t get a look this year and they are apparently giving him midfield minutes in the 2’s to try to add a string to his bow. I definitely think we should be in his ear.

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I would cry too if I went .

No one on their list has really kicked on . I could go on dissect their list , but to sumiz its an ordinary list

Please chase him hard if his the right skills to fit our list.
When did they win their last granny ?

Joel Amartey might be worth a look at. He's a rookie at the Swans, tall and versatile and on top of that he must be a good bloke given he's a Doggies supporter

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Joel Amartey might be worth a look at. He's a rookie at the Swans, tall and versatile and on top of that he must be a good bloke given he's a Doggies supporter

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Gee, there really is quite a lot of quality young Dogs supporters on other lists at the moment. Coffield, Amartey, Xavier O'Hallaran, Ned McHenry, to name a few.

I say get in all of their ears.

Ned McHenry and O'Hallaran were both on our radar. McHenry would be especailly handy (small forward with a massive tank) and he is both injured and probably behind 6 small forwards on the Crows list (Betts, Galluci, Lachlan Murphy, Poholke, Tyson Stengle, and Shane McAdam).

He might be another Crows player that has to wait longer than two seasons to debut and he would be another player I would be in constant dialogue with.

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Brayden Sier at Collingwood. Potential to be a Josh Kennedy like midfielder. Pies have an abundance of inside mids.

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And we don't? We might as well buy another half back flanker while we are at it.

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And we don't? We might as well buy another half back flanker while we are at it.

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Sier is quality but we really do have to trade for need.

I just wonder how attractive we are as a destination right now though.

The cutoff for the mid-season draft nominations is today. An article below listing some of the players who have nominated.

On a tangent, has anyone worked out why we decided to Rookie Khamis instead of getting as a Category B Rookie and getting a free hit in the supplementary picks period?

On the surface it feels badly managed and it is a shame we didn’t take a stab at any of those on this list (or the others like Stack who did get taken by other clubs). For a club that has had ridiculous success with Rookie picks it just doesn’t make sense.

219 footballers have nominated for the Mid-Season Rookie Draft ahead of Friday's deadline http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-03/brothers-of-afl-stars-explayers-nominate-for-midseason-draft

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The cutoff for the mid-season draft nominations is today. An article below listing some of the players who have nominated.

On a tangent, has anyone worked out why we decided to Rookie Khamis instead of getting as a Category B Rookie and getting a free hit in the supplementary picks period?

On the surface it feels badly managed and it is a shame we didn’t take a stab at any of those on this list (or the others like Stack who did get taken by other clubs). For a club that has had ridiculous success with Rookie picks it just doesn’t make sense.

219 footballers have nominated for the Mid-Season Rookie Draft ahead of Friday's deadline http://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-03/brothers-of-afl-stars-explayers-nominate-for-midseason-draft

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No idea. I've asked that question more than once. Given Buku was unlikely to play seniors this year it makes no sense to me.

PS I've already posted that article in the mid season draft thread.

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No idea. I've asked that question more than once. Given Buku was unlikely to play seniors this year it makes no sense to me.

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Likewise. I did like last years off season from Power with the exception of this one move. I fail to see how it benefits us having him as category a rookie. The only upside is that we don't have to promote him to play him, but considering how raw he is and the high likelihood we will have a long term injury anyway i fail to see how this is worth sacrificing a list spot for.

List spots are worth their weight in gold and I am disappointing we threw one away so cheaply.

Ben Keays with another 4 goals in the NEAFL - can't seem to get near the Brisbane 22 and we were keen on him in his draft year, which I imagine holds all the more true now that hes ~versatile~. We could seriously use the type of player he's been at seconds level too.

With the Boyd announcement, would we potentially be into Patton? Risky, but he might come relatively cheap.

There was suggestions that the Hawks were sniffing around him, talk of another GWS salary dump, and I could be wrong but weren't we heavily into him until he did his first ACL (and then we moved to Boyd)?

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With the Boyd announcement, would we potentially be into Patton? Risky, but he might come relatively cheap.

There was suggestions that the Hawks were sniffing around him, talk of another GWS salary dump, and I could be wrong but weren't we heavily into him until he did his first ACL (and then we moved to Boyd)?

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We have up to $1.5m free according to my crude calculations and we should not use it on a salary dump. Unless the sweetener is King Tobes not a chance.

No to Patton, no to 2MP.

Unless they are dominating at their current club, I don't want to spend the war chest.

AFL 2019: Collingwood’s Brodie Grundy likely to sign new deal worth up to $7 million amid 17-man Pies cap squeeze

Let's do it - offer him more