Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[Grantysghost]

Does anybody want him? I'm not convinced English is the ruckman we need.

I do.

[bulldogtragic]

Does anybody want him? I'm not convinced English is the ruckman we need.

Bevo?

I’m sure he could find another club. But the fact the media are reporting he put his number/years out there and no one is calling is pretty telling. I just don’t think he’s a first ruck. He could’ve been a great forward/second ruck but we don’t need that role. Based on his season to date, asking price and potential to deliver us a top 10 compo pick and cash to cover a Barass type, he seems to me to be an obvious candidate to allow him to move.

If he changes his mind we will be stuck with our offer and depending on things it is what it is. But if we budge it will be dumb.

[Grantysghost]

Bevo?

I’m sure he could find another club. But the fact the media are reporting he put his number/years out there and no one is calling is pretty telling. I just don’t think he’s a first ruck. He could’ve been a great forward/second ruck but we don’t need that role. Based on his season to date, asking price and potential to deliver us a top 10 compo pick and cash to cover a Barass type, he seems to me to be an obvious candidate to allow him to move.

If he changes his mind we will be stuck with our offer and depending on things it is what it is. But if we budge it will be dumb.

I think he could be the best r2 forward almost in the game.
He's ability to move around the ground and become an extra defender at times is superb though.

Do we think him not dominating taps really costs us that much?

[bulldogtragic]

I think he could be the best r2 forward almost in the game.
He's ability to move around the ground and become an extra defender at times is superb though.

Do we think him not dominating taps really costs us that much?

It’s not the taps, I don’t really look at those numbers positive or negative. It’s his weak, insipid and uninspiring lack of physical presence. If he was prepared to be the best second ruck/forward he would’ve saved us spending big on Lobb (2 x Pick 30) could’ve got Grundy for peanuts and would be a better TEAM. But he’s demanded a role that he’s being beaten in most weeks. But alas it hasn’t played out like this. So I’d cash out now.

[josie]

Partly agree with bulldogtragic. It’s not only Centre bounces and boundary throw ins, it’s the lack of instigating body contact when a ball approaches a pack he is near or in. Easy for me to say, never played the game not suffered multiple concessions.

Having said that if he agrees to 4 to absolute max 5 years on a reasonable yearly pay of max close to/tad above $1M I wouldn’t be upset either.

[hujsh]

I know we like the idea of English as a 2nd ruck but what about at CamHead/RoughOyd type deal where he eventually does a 50/50 split with young Darcy?

[bulldogtragic]

I know we like the idea of English as a 2nd ruck but what about at CamHead/RoughOyd type deal where he eventually does a 50/50 split with young Darcy?

So no frontline ruckman?

[G-Mo77]

Does anybody want him? I'm not convinced English is the ruckman we need.

The thing is he is OK and you don't pay $1m per year on an OK player.

Darcy already has more hunger and aggression at 20 years of age, we have Lobb contracted for another 2 years and lets not forget about Croft. The money is better spent elsewhere as we already have cattle to hold down the position under contract.

[G-Mo77]

I think he could be the best r2 forward almost in the game.
He's ability to move around the ground and become an extra defender at times is superb though.

Do we think him not dominating taps really costs us that much?

Does him not dominating the taps give advantage to the opposition team?

For me I preferred him as the 2nd ruck. In 2021 we ran old man Martin at #1 and English as backup/Fwd and felt we looked a lot more dangerous in that time.

[D Mitchell]

From an accounting point of view, no. Retire English to a wide tall forward, send Naughton and Jones into the ruck, a bit more handball and the Premiership is ours.

[josie]

The thing is he is OK and you don't pay $1m per year on an OK player.

Darcy already has more hunger and aggression at 20 years of age, we have Lobb contracted for another 2 years and lets not forget about Croft. The money is better spent elsewhere as we already have cattle to hold down the position under contract.

My understanding is with new player payment & related cap increase $1/$1.1M is kinda equivalent to $700/$800K now. Tim is a good player, just not Gawn/Grundy level. Split him with Darcy as latter’s body matures maybe it’s best to keep him. I’m not sure a ready made ruck that is decent mark/decent disposal around ground can be easily found. If we land Barrass then Lobb can share ruck with Darcy, but if we don’t land a decent backman & Lobb blossoms as one I think we’d want to keep English.

[bornadog]

Does anybody want him? I'm not convinced English is the ruckman we need.

What sort of ruckman do you want and how do we get one

[lemmon]

My understanding is with new player payment & related cap increase $1/$1.1M is kinda equivalent to $700/$800K now. Tim is a good player, just not Gawn/Grundy level. Split him with Darcy as latter’s body matures maybe it’s best to keep him. I’m not sure a ready made ruck that is decent mark/decent disposal around ground can be easily found. If we land Barrass then Lobb can share ruck with Darcy, but if we don’t land a decent backman & Lobb blossoms as one I think we’d want to keep English.

Are we talking about Tim this year or Tim at his best? Think we're pretty rough on a guy who was an All-Australian 12 months ago and battled through concussion during an interrupted pre-season.

[jeemak]

Are we talking about Tim this year or Tim at his best? Think we're pretty rough on a guy who was an All-Australian 12 months ago and battled through concussion during an interrupted pre-season.

Ruck influence is a difficult intangible thing to measure, as neither hit outs or hit outs to advantage effectively correlate to overall area effectiveness.

It's the footy equivalent of Schrodinger's Cat. If a cat farts in the woods, does the pope hear it? Very difficult to measure (I think that's the general vibe of the theory, you look it up).

[josie]

Ruck influence is a difficult intangible thing to measure, as neither hit outs or hit outs to advantage effectively correlate to overall area effectiveness.

It's the footy equivalent of Schrodinger's Cat. If a cat farts in the woods, does the pope hear it? Very difficult to measure (I think that's the general vibe of the theory, you look it up).

����Love your analogy. These are meant to be smileys - oh well.
He both hears it and doesn’t hear it simultaneously.