Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[jazzadogs]

It's interesting after seeing Grundy get shopped around with minimal interest, and now English likely to sign a big contract with minimal external interest.

Clubs are obviously keen on the 'cheap' ruck options, people they can get to fill the role at closer to the average price for a ruck rather than paying a higher price. It would be interesting to know what Darcy Cameron, Rhys Stanley and Toby Nankervis are getting paid (as recent premiership rucks who aren't Max Gawn).

[hujsh]

So no frontline ruckman?

Tim can ruck first if he wants

[Grantysghost]

So are we all saying basically : rucks aren't that important?

[bornadog]

So are we all saying basically : rucks aren't that important?

After 378 posts, is that the conclusion.

[Grantysghost]

After 378 posts, is that the conclusion.

I'm calling it. G close this one off its solved.

[azabob]

����Love your analogy. These are meant to be smileys - oh well.
He both hears it and doesn?t hear it simultaneously.

But, does he smell it?

[azabob]

After 378 posts, is that the conclusion.

If only the English debate had been going for 378 posts.

[JanLorMill]

What sort of ruckman do you want and how do we get one

One with a bit of aggression and who isn?t pushed out of the contest.

[JanLorMill]

Are we talking about Tim this year or Tim at his best? Think we're pretty rough on a guy who was an All-Australian 12 months ago and battled through concussion during an interrupted pre-season.

Or were we soft on a guy that failed us in a number of finals previously?

[bornadog]

One with a bit of aggression and who isn?t pushed out of the contest.

That doesn't explain anything

[lemmon]

It's interesting after seeing Grundy get shopped around with minimal interest, and now English likely to sign a big contract with minimal external interest.

Clubs are obviously keen on the 'cheap' ruck options, people they can get to fill the role at closer to the average price for a ruck rather than paying a higher price. It would be interesting to know what Darcy Cameron, Rhys Stanley and Toby Nankervis are getting paid (as recent premiership rucks who aren't Max Gawn).

How many clubs would be regretting that though with the way Grundy's transformed the Swans' midfield? I'm sure Port would be a far better side if they'd have gone harder at Grundy and not Soldo/Sweet.

[hujsh]

That doesn't explain anything

Look BAD, it's time to face facts. We can just replace Tim with a dude from the bush because it's actually easy to find solid ruckmen and also we can recruit his best mate Nuggety Back Pocket who will hold Charlie Cameron to 1 goal 4 disposals in a final for us. Worst case find someone's 4th ruck and pay him 50k a year and watch him become the next Hudson. These are all strategies likely to succeed. No further elaboration or context is required. (this is partly making fun of my own comments previously since my thoughts weren't too far from this pre-season)

I don't really want to overpay Tim but looking at the market for rucks it's pretty slim pickings. That no one really seems keen to meet his terms should also tell him something so you'd think some common ground is found eventually. Given the rules around concussion and cap relief, decent money on 3 years with easy triggers for 2 more might be right.

[bornadog]

Look BAD, it's time to face facts. We can just replace Tim with a dude from the bush because it's actually easy to find solid ruckmen and also we can recruit his best mate Nuggety Back Pocket who will hold Charlie Cameron to 1 goal 4 disposals in a final for us. Worst case find someone's 4th ruck and pay him 50k a year and watch him become the next Hudson. These are all strategies likely to succeed. No further elaboration or context is required.

This is what people seem to want from a ruckman.

I just want to know what are they looking for in a ruck player.

50 Hitouts with 10 HTA and 2 marks around the ground - yeah perfect

[JanLorMill]

That doesn't explain anything

2 things there that English is poor at. Explains at lot.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

My priorities for re-signings were always:
1 Naughton
2 Marra
3 English
4 Smith

So whilst Tim frustrates me to no end, I still see him as an important player. He's vital around the ground. His lack of mongrel is what drives me nuts and can lead to other teams getting on top of us. Even just a 5-10% increase of mongrel would go a long way for us. I'm hoping a middle ground is reached and we don't overpay.