Tribunal / suspensions 2024

[ledge]

Can’t see Dangerfield getting off .

[DOG GOD]

Can’t see Dangerfield getting off .

If he was playing next week he would’ve got off

[bornadog]

If he was playing next week he would’ve got off

McCluggage should be suspended for faking his head hitting the ground

[azabob]

McCluggage should be suspended for faking his head hitting the ground

I love how you hold a grudge.

[bornadog]

I love how you hold a grudge.

No grudge, just watch his action

[Rocket Science]

It's rare a player brought to ground doesn't reflexively reach for their scone these days to con a cheapie because you just never know.

Bravo AFEL.

[bornadog]

Can’t see Dangerfield getting off .

$2,500 fine

[soupman]

No grudge, just watch his action

He doesn't though? He puts his hands up sure but he doesn't throw his head nor over act.

[jeemak]

Not sure where else to put this bullshit, but here we are again with Swans and Heeney propaganda being proliferated by one of the AFL's greatest apologists - Jake Niall.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...22-p5kci2.html

Best, not fairest: Why the Heeney ban exposes an outdated Brownlow

Isaac Heeney took what was arguably the best mark of 2024, but can?t get the official gong ? and $50,000 and two million frequent flier points ? for mark of the year.

Heeney, in this column?s view, has also been the most influential or impactful player in the competition this year, but is ineligible to win the game?s ?highest individual honour,? the Brownlow Medal.

There is clear, unequivocal logic behind Heeney?s ineligibility for the mark of the year ? he took that horizontal hanger in the finals series, not in a home and away game. Players from 10 non-finalist teams did not have the opportunity to leap for the stars.
quirk of the umpires awarding votes ? should be preserved, protected and defended, as if it was the precious constitution of the United States.

Why?

His ineligibility for the Brownlow is based on 100 years of tradition. Many, if not most, followers of the game would say that the ?fairest and best? component ? and the The overriding reason that players in Heeney?s position can?t win the Brownlow ? and so spend the night with an asterisk affixed to their name ? is that the Brownlow?s framers made ?fairest? one of the indispensable criteria.

Yet when one considers the roll call of players who?ve won Brownlows, ?fairest? was not close to an accurate description of a number of those champions.

No one who witnessed Tony Lockett, Greg Williams or Robert DiPierdomenico in their brutal primes would ever confer that superlative on them. Yet, they won the medal ? Williams twice, sharing it once with the improbable Dipper in 1986 (?I only came for the free feed? Dipper said, truthfully).

?Fairest? really meant that you had avoided suspension. Theoretically, the umpires might be more inclined to award votes to the ?fair? player - one who seldom, if ever, deploys questionable violence on field - rather than the less scrupulous player. But that wasn?t necessarily true.

Heeney?s case is one that should invite a review of the Brownlow Medal?s rules and to consider whether the prohibition on suspended players should continue.

I would argue that, considering the revolutionary and welcome changes in how the game is policed on the field, it is faintly absurd to deprive a player of the medal for a one-match ban for a negligent tackle or something similar.

AFL players of today are handed suspensions for acts that often wouldn?t have drawn a free kick in decades past.

Heeney?s was hardly heinous. His suspension came from throwing a stray arm back ? seemingly to break free ? and thus collecting St Kilda?s Jimmy Webster high, as he went on to take a mark unopposed.

The tribunal case and appeal were much-discussed, with the public and punditry split on whether Heeney deserved a week off or not (it was definitely a free).

But the fact that this was debatably reportable ? a split-second incident on the edge of acceptable aggression, much like some over-vigorous tackles ? underscored the problem that contemporary officiating and ?clean? rules have created for the Brownlow.

Players of recent years are being rubbed out, often for a week, for collisions that exist in the twilight zone between accident and ?negligence.?

When the Brownlow?s no-suspension edict was framed, it was evidently to rule out players who had engaged, even just once, in much more serious acts of violence ? punches, elbows, forearms. In days of yore, footballers could be wiped out in what was deemed ?a fair bump? and the umpire would call play on.

Thankfully, the sanitising of the game has eradicated most of the thuggery, and the AFL ? ever conscious of concussion and the grassroots ecosystem ? has cracked down on incidents that do not involve conscious attempts to cause harm. High bumps are particularly dangerous and must bring suspensions if, as the league decreed, the player chooses to bump.

When Chris Grant (Bulldogs) lost his Brownlow in 1997, it was for a round-arm that definitely warranted two weeks; where he was stiff was that it was the AFL?s then football boss, Ian Collins, who intervened to see him charged.

Corey McKernan of North Melbourne had been unlucky in 1996, when he tied with James Hird and Michael Voss, spending the night at home after a one-match ban for jumping on Geelong?s John Barnes.

These suspensions were for incidents more serious than Heeney?s. It will be fascinating to see how Heeney polls up to that point in round 17, and then subsequently. Therein lies another problem ? could a player?s ineligibility skew future votes?

Heeney isn?t an unfair player. Patrick Cripps isn?t an unfair player, yet ? on a comparative basis ? is fortunate to have retained his Brownlow given his collision with Callum Ah Chee in 2022.

If the rules are not amended ? and either one-game bans no longer disqualifying, or the prohibition on suspensions removed altogether ? then we will be seeing more players unfairly removed from the Brownlow starting gate.


If you swing at head height and get someone in the face you're a ****. Everyone who's ever played knows that you swing down to break a hold, because that's the only way you can't get in trouble. Swinging at head height to a low hold can only end one way (which is why Heeney immediately looked around for the damage). Stop apologising for this stuff if you want head high violence taken out of the sport.

And Jake Niall, stop being an apologist. You're on the periphery and that's where you belong, and they'll never accept you as one of them, so stop trying to join them by sucking up to them.

[jazzadogs]

I enjoyed the comparison between Chris Grants round arm definitely being worth two weeks and Heeneys punch to the face being a farce. Sound logic.

If you are still having umpires vote on it, you might as well keep the fairest component.

[bornadog]

Patrick Cripps getting off the charge in his Brownlow year was a farce

[Bulldog Joe]

Patrick Cripps getting off the charge in his Brownlow year was a farce

Chris Judd was the biggest farce.

Elbow to the face that broke Pavlich's nose but let off to win the Brownlow.

[SonofScray]

I enjoyed the comparison between Chris Grants round arm definitely being worth two weeks and Heeneys punch to the face being a farce. Sound logic.

If you are still having umpires vote on it, you might as well keep the fairest component.

Good bit of historical revision from him there.

A few years ago I'd say Grant would be rubbed out by the standards of the time, but currently I don't think he would.