Boxing Day Test - Australia vs India

[Topdog]

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And as captain, he should probably take the responsibility and bat at 3 instead of sending inexperienced heads in at first drop - mind you his technical issues will test him out even more at 3.
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100% yes. Said something similar earlier in the thread.

Despite his brilliant hundred in Hobart, I'm nowhere near sold on Warner as a test opener. He is a poor backfoot player - was bowled yesterday trying to tee up a ball with an angled bat when he should have rocked on the back foot and either cut it with the horizontal bat or let it go. Also got hit on the gloves and could have been out for the 3rd time that way in his short test career. He better get more proficient at playing the short stuff because he will get plenty of chin music as a test opener.

Me neither but I would like to see him given the opportunity like Hughes was. He definitely has talent just not sure if it will be in Test match cricket and he has adapted his style so has shown he is willing to learn and change.

[boydogs]

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And as captain, he should probably take the responsibility and bat at 3 instead of sending inexperienced heads in at first drop - mind you his technical issues will test him out even more at 3.

His impression of what is required to bat at 3 might see him make the required mental adjustment to value his wicket. Do it IMO.

[Sedat]

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Brilliant bowling performance by Australia, and thumbs up to the selectors for the decisions they made with regard to the bowling line-up. The 3 pacemen took 17 Indian wickets for 209 from when Siddle got rid of Tendulkar before stumps on day 2 to 9 for today - brilliant performance against a team that is a strong batting line-up on paper (they are anything but away from home).

[Remi Moses]

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Great result kudos to the bowlers.
Slap for the selectors picking Hilfenhaus, looks like McDermott has them pitching up .
The way the modern batsman plays ( throwing their arms out and minimal footwork)
any ball movement is going to get wickets.Slap to Ponting who really gritted it out
Sledge to Geoff Lawson the biggest moaner in any commentary box.
Complained about the quicks bowling bouncers at the tail. FFS they've got more armour on than Ned Kelly.

[Topdog]

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\brilliant performance against a team that is a strong batting line-up on paper (they are anything but away from home).

This line is trotted out too often.

Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman all average 50 in Australia.

[GVGjr]

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Great result kudos to the bowlers.
Slap for the selectors picking Hilfenhaus, looks like McDermott has them pitching up.

I think it's a good point you have made about McDermott. For whatever reason especially allowing for the number of injuries we have been a better bowling side since he arrived on the side. Langer, despite being a great batsman himself, hasn't been able to improve our bating line-up.

I wonder if Langer's position will be reviewed?

[Mantis]

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I think it's a good point you have made about McDermott. For whatever reason especially allowing for the number of injuries we have been a better bowling side since he arrived on the side. Langer, despite being a great batsman himself, hasn't been able to improve our bating line-up.

I wonder if Langer's position will be reviewed?

All McDermott is doing is doing is telling the bowlers who have sound techniques to pitch the ball up.... What a tough job.

Langer has to almost de-construct some horrible techniques and pretty much teach players from a different generation how to play a form of the game (Test cricket) that isn't the 'main' one anymore.

[GVGjr]

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All McDermott is doing is doing is telling the bowlers who have sound techniques to pitch the ball up.... What a tough job.

Langer has to almost de-construct some horrible techniques and pretty much teach players from a different generation how to play a form of the game (Test cricket) that isn't the 'main' one anymore.

I think there is a bit more about the improved bowling performances than just pitching it up more but if you think it is as simplistic as that then we probably don't need a bowling coach.

Warner was interviewed the other day and made mention that Mickey Aurthur had given him some invaluable advice regarding his stance and he felt that it had helped him improve. I wondered at the time why Langer hadn't been the one that pointed that out to him.

We really don't have anyone knocking the door down for a middle order batting position so maybe Langer just doesn't have the cattle to work with.

[Remi Moses]

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All McDermott is doing is doing is telling the bowlers who have sound techniques to pitch the ball up.... What a tough job.

Langer has to almost de-construct some horrible techniques and pretty much teach players from a different generation how to play a form of the game (Test cricket) that isn't the 'main' one anymore.

Well if a coach is getting a better result from his chargers then he's doing a good job.
Going to be harder for Langer though.

[Sedat]

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This line is trotted out too often.

Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman all average 50 in Australia.

In the last 12 months, India have had 16 test innings away from home - they have passed 300 once. Tendulkar aside, the rest of the elder statesmen in their batting line-up are trading on reputations of past glories. Dravid had an excellent 2011 but he looked all at sea in both his innings in Melbourne, and at 38yo he won't be seeing it any better in the future - 'The Wall' is getting his castle disturbed all too often these days.

Even with the once-in-a generation batting talent they have had at their disposal in the last 15 years, their record abroad in terms of winning actual test matches and series has been below pitiful. Their meek surrender in both innings in Melbourne has been the norm for them away from the sub-continent.

[westdog54]

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In the last 12 months, India have had 16 test innings away from home - they have passed 300 once. Tendulkar aside, the rest of the elder statesmen in their batting line-up are trading on reputations of past glories. Dravid had an excellent 2011 but he looked all at sea in both his innings in Melbourne, and at 38yo he won't be seeing it any better in the future - 'The Wall' is getting his castle disturbed all too often these days.

Even with the once-in-a generation batting talent they have had at their disposal in the last 15 years, their record abroad in terms of winning actual test matches and series has been below pitiful. Their meek surrender in both innings in Melbourne has been the norm for them away from the sub-continent.

They seem as though they're headed for a similar fall to what Australia has suffered.

The end is nearing for the big three and I don't think there's a lot of depth left there.

[Twodogs]

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I wonder if Langer's position will be reviewed?

I really liked Langer as player. He was tough and always put the team first, he was my type of cricketer.

But he does seems to be the public eye of the coaching panel. Whenever a question about coaching arises then Langer is the one on TV and radio who answers it. I hope it's not cutting into time he should be spending with the batsmen because they dont seem to have improved much, if at all, under Langer's watch.

I'd rather Arthurs was doing the media stuff and selling the message than Langer. I reckon I could count all times I've seen/heard Arthurs on one hand since his appointment.

In the last 12 months, India have had 16 test innings away from home - they have passed 300 once.

Have you got a link for that info Sedat? I wouldnt mind having a look to see who India's been playing (and where) over the last couple of years. In testmatches they seem to be great at smashing the Sri Lankas and Bangladeshs but very little else. I'd like to see their record against South Africa and England.

[Remi Moses]

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In the last 12 months, India have had 16 test innings away from home - they have passed 300 once. Tendulkar aside, the rest of the elder statesmen in their batting line-up are trading on reputations of past glories. Dravid had an excellent 2011 but he looked all at sea in both his innings in Melbourne, and at 38yo he won't be seeing it any better in the future - 'The Wall' is getting his castle disturbed all too often these days.

Even with the once-in-a generation batting talent they have had at their disposal in the last 15 years, their record abroad in terms of winning actual test matches and series has been below pitiful. Their meek surrender in both innings in Melbourne has been the norm for them away from the sub-continent.

I heard Our guest Indian commentator mention that yesterday.
( I know his name, but spelling is an issue)

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Have you got a link for that info Sedat? I wouldnt mind having a look to see who India's been playing (and where) over the last couple of years. In testmatches they seem to be great at smashing the Sri Lankas and Bangladeshs but very little else. I'd like to see their record against South Africa and England.

India in West Indies (India won 1-0)
246 & 252
201 &6/269 dec
347 & 3/94

India in England (England won 4-0)
286 & 261
288 & 158
224 & 244
300 & 283

[Topdog]

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That misses the tour of SA which was a 1-1 draw.

136 & 456 (loss)
205 & 228 (win)
364 & 3/166 (draw) - Jan 2-6

They are on the decline, has nothing to do with a myth about being away from home. Even at home they struggled against WI when the pitch wasn't perfect (AKA the 1500 run game)