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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34316

    Re: Following our ex's...................

    Originally posted by merantau
    Been watching Carlton v Lions. Liam Jones takes a brilliant pack mark, misses from 40m on a 45 degree angle. Then takes a huge contested pack mark 25m out on a slight angle and misses. Four minutes later takes a strong mark on the lead 60m out, wheels around quickly and kicks in to an opponent coming towards him. Lions rush the ball forward and goal. I am so glad we moved him on.
    I wonder if they will offer to pay him out and leave his contract a year early. He's now a bonafide list clogger.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34316

      Re: Following our ex's...................

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      I wonder if they will offer to pay him out and leave his contract a year early. He's now a bonafide list clogger.
      About a million dollars or so over three years. Averaging for Carlton AFL side 8 disposals, 3 marks & 1 goal a game over 15 games. That's an spectacularly horrendous return.
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • EasternWest
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Aug 2009
        • 9891

        Re: Following our ex's...................

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        I wonder if they will offer to pay him out and leave his contract a year early. He's now a bonafide list clogger.
        He really is. I know we love to bag him out but I actually find it a bit sad. His decline is crazy, and he had some tools to work with.
        "It's over. It's all over."

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34316

          Re: Following our ex's...................

          Originally posted by EasternWest
          He really is. I know we love to bag him out but I actually find it a bit sad. His decline is crazy, and he had some tools to work with.
          He's in the Pat 'Tin Man' Bowden category. Had enough tools, but either couldn't or wouldn't do the hard work and effort to make it. He and his career puzzles me a little bit. When he demanded out I thought we got a little under in the trade, but with Caleb Daniel being crucial in a few wins this year I can't imagine our future without him.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Twodogs
            Administrator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27645

            Re: Following our ex's...................

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            I wonder if they will offer to pay him out and leave his contract a year early. He's now a bonafide list clogger.

            I'd be surprised if that wasn't the first thing Steve Silvagni did when he started at Carlton. But Jones would have been a fool to say yes. The extra benefits of being an AFL player are enormous. Not many would give up an extra year on the merry go round.

            Anyway it sounds like he isn't running under the ball. If he can sort that out he could still be a player. It doesn't really matter if you can kick goals any more. As long as you can have shots. It's just down to luck whether the ball goes through after you have a shot.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34316

              Re: Following our ex's...................

              Jason Tutt's two year deal is finished with him playing only 1 AFL game this year. Hard to see him continuing with a professional career. But he got two years at Carlton after showing very little. Maybe VFL or NEAFL will come knocking?

              Interesting that the Shocktober exodus as painful as it was at the time, in two years has really accelerated our rise and not have lost out:

              Tutt, all but gone officially. (A free spot after delisting, picked up Hamling as a delisted free agent with the spot)
              Cooney gone. (Biggs who is possibly in the extended AA squad thinking & Hamilton who was just re-signed)
              Higgins only 7 games this year. (Webb who looks like becoming a decent long term player, and huge VFL year and might win the B&F)
              Jones only saved by a third year after averaging 8 touches, 3 marks & 1 goal a game at AFL level. (Caleb Daniel, Rising Star 2016)
              Gryphone only 12 games this year. (Tom Boyd, who is growing into an AFL career)
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • Throughandthrough
                Coaching Staff
                • Nov 2007
                • 3203

                Re: Following our ex's...................



                Charlton exploits North Central league loophole
                HANNAH DRISCOLL, The Weekly Times
                August 23, 2016 11:30pm
                CHARLTON has qualified a former AFL player for the North Central league finals by playing him twice in two rounds to meet the competition’s four game qualification requirement.

                The league changed its qualifying rules for senior finals this season, but there are already expectations the loophole will be closed.

                Andrew Hooper, who played seven games for the Western Bulldogs and is on North Ballarat Roosters’ VFL list, played the reserves and senior matches against Don*!ald in Round 6 and St Arnaud in Round 15.

                HAVE YOUR SAY: Has Charlton’s tactics gone against the spirit of the rules? Comment below

                Those appearances, which included only partial reserves games, were enough for Charlton to qualify Hooper for its finals campaign, which opens against minor premier Wycheproof-*!Narraport.

                The North Central league this season increased the number of club home-and-away games players had to play to qualify for senior finals from two games to four. However there was no clause added to prevent players playing multiple games in the same day and using them to qualify.

                While it has been acknowledged Charlton acted within the rules, the club — the runner-up the past three years — has been accused of going against the “spirit of the game”.

                League chairman Kevin Anderson said the rule change had tried to address the issue of VFL players coming back to qualify for clubs.

                But he admitted that by allowing multiple games per day to count “that’s probably where we didn’t alter the rule properly, we probably made a mistake on that grounds”.

                “I would be looking at it that it had to be four senior games to qualify, to clean that rule up, rather than being able to play two games in one day,” he said.

                “This club has ... used it to their advantage and it’s within the rules so it’s not cheating.

                “It’s probably not what I would’ve thought in the spirit of the game but it’s within the rules.”

                Charlton president Shane Fitzpatrick said the Blues had “done everything to get *!Andrew Hooper qualified. That’s all we’ve done”.

                Fitzpatrick said the loophole was discussed at a league meeting, and the rule for seniors, which only stipulated club matches, differed to the other grades, which required the four matches to be played in that grade.

                “(We) said it made no difference when they changed it because in the past they had to play two games to qualify and a bloke could play them on the same day. Things haven’t changed at all,” he said.

                When asked if Charlton would support a rule change that required players to play four senior games to qualify, Fitzpatrick said he would have to take it to the committee.

                Charlton is hosting the first *!finals this weekend, with Birchip-Watchem and Donald playing the seniors’ first semi-final.

                Birchip-Watchem president Lachlan Barber also said it was discussed at a league meeting whether players could qualify two games in one day, and “the consensus was that’s really not how it should be”.

                “I was of the understanding that wasn’t the case and that you couldn’t do that, but obviously it still is,” Barber said.

                He backed a change, saying “why bring it from two to four if you can still play two weeks effectively and get qualified?”

                Donald president Colin Gilmour said he was not “too worried” about what Charlton had done, but added “it probably does need to be cleaned up a bit, that rule”.

                Hooper has played five matches for Charlton in two seasons and his lone appearance last year came at a crucial game. He kicked 10 goals in Charlton’s 166-point thumping of a winless Boort in the final round.

                The win and percentage boost pushed Charlton from fourth to second and into the second semi-final. Hooper was ineligible to play *!finals last year because he played too many VFL matches.

                He has only played seven VFL matches this year.

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                • EasternWest
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 9891

                  Re: Following our ex's...................

                  Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                  Jason Tutt's two year deal is finished with him playing only 1 AFL game this year. Hard to see him continuing with a professional career. But he got two years at Carlton after showing very little. Maybe VFL or NEAFL will come knocking?

                  Interesting that the Shocktober exodus as painful as it was at the time, in two years has really accelerated our rise and not have lost out:

                  Tutt, all but gone officially. (A free spot after delisting, picked up Hamling as a delisted free agent with the spot)
                  Cooney gone. (Biggs who is possibly in the extended AA squad thinking & Hamilton who was just re-signed)
                  Higgins only 7 games this year. (Webb who looks like becoming a decent long term player, and huge VFL year and might win the B&F)
                  Jones only saved by a third year after averaging 8 touches, 3 marks & 1 goal a game at AFL level. (Caleb Daniel, Rising Star 2016)
                  Gryphone only 12 games this year. (Tom Boyd, who is growing into an AFL career)
                  Amazing. We've absolutlely come out snarling from that dark period. Whoda thunk it?
                  "It's over. It's all over."

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34316

                    Re: Following our ex's...................

                    Liam Jones has no touches to quarter time and is -3 on fantasy points. How do you get a negative score???
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      Re: Following our ex's...................

                      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                      Liam Jones has no touches to quarter time and is -3 on fantasy points. How do you get a negative score???
                      Giving away free kicks maybe?

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                      • Twodogs
                        Administrator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 27645

                        Re: Following our ex's...................

                        Rush a behind.
                        They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                        • hujsh
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 11714

                          Re: Following our ex's...................

                          A clanger'd do it but you'd need to get a touch first
                          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                          • Twodogs
                            Administrator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 27645

                            Re: Following our ex's...................

                            Originally posted by hujsh
                            A clanger'd do it but you'd need to get a touch first

                            I was thinking maybe he'd turned it over but he hasn't touched the ball yet.

                            Maybe he gave a 50 metre penalty away? That'd do it.
                            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              Re: Following our ex's...................

                              Originally posted by redders70
                              Giving away free kicks maybe?
                              Originally posted by hujsh
                              A clanger'd do it but you'd need to get a touch first
                              Originally posted by Twodogs
                              I was thinking maybe he'd turned it over but he hasn't touched the ball yet.

                              Maybe he gave a 50 metre penalty away? That'd do it.
                              Ta lads. You can't knock Liam's consistency. Round 1 2015 was 6 disposals, Round 23 2016 was 5 disposals. Jokes on me, he has a $300,000+ AFL contract next year. Jokes on Carlton too I guess.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                Re: Following our ex's...................

                                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                Jason Tutt's two year deal is finished with him playing only 1 AFL game this year. Hard to see him continuing with a professional career. But he got two years at Carlton after showing very little. Maybe VFL or NEAFL will come knocking?

                                Interesting that the Shocktober exodus as painful as it was at the time, in two years has really accelerated our rise and not have lost out:

                                Tutt, all but gone officially. (A free spot after delisting, picked up Hamling as a delisted free agent with the spot)
                                Cooney gone. (Biggs who is possibly in the extended AA squad thinking & Hamilton who was just re-signed)
                                Higgins only 7 games this year. (Webb who looks like becoming a decent long term player, and huge VFL year and might win the B&F)
                                Jones only saved by a third year after averaging 8 touches, 3 marks & 1 goal a game at AFL level. (Caleb Daniel, Rising Star 2016)
                                Gryphone only 12 games this year. (Tom Boyd, who is growing into an AFL career)
                                5 gone with delisting or retirement at Carlton. Tutt's not one of them. He may just ek out another season!?!
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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