Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

[Bumper Bulldogs]

I actually think it’s going to start to change the way contracts will be set up in the future. Like any workplace you are entitled to holiday and sick pay. But when it runs out that’s it.

No doubt that been in the AFL bubble it can and will take a toll but you actually need to put some effort in.

We all know of people that have needed to take extended time away from work and some without pay. Most employers will make arrangements to hold that position open until the employee is right to come back to work and generally both side have an open and honest communication throughout the entire process.

I can only see one side actually putting any effort into this. The fact now that all Victorian clubs know and have said they wouldn’t take the risk speaks volumes

it’s time that maybe his manager needs to front up to the media and explain what involvement they have in helping JUH out in his life firstly and career secondly

[Bornadog]

I actually think it’s going to start to change the way contracts will be set up in the future. Like any workplace you are entitled to holiday and sick pay. But when it runs out that’s it.

No doubt that been in the AFL bubble it can and will take a toll but you actually need to put some effort in.

We all know of people that have needed to take extended time away from work and some without pay. Most employers will make arrangements to hold that position open until the employee is right to come back to work and generally both side have an open and honest communication throughout the entire process.

I can only see one side actually putting any effort into this. The fact now that all Victorian clubs know and have said they wouldn’t take the risk speaks volumes

it’s time that maybe his manager needs to front up to the media and explain what involvement they have in helping JUH out in his life firstly and career secondly

It might end up Marra going interstate - as far away from the dickheads he is hanging around with. Bit like Stringer had to do.

I would take Reid for Marra and he can play in WA

[ledge]

It might end up Marra going interstate - as far away from the dickheads he is hanging around with. Bit like Stringer had to do.

I would take Reid for Marra and he can play in WA

Im not sure that’s why Stringer went interstate , I believe it was the only team interested and they offered two years , Essendon had made it quite clear to him they knew he had another year but didn’t want him .
I wonder what Tom Boyd’s thoughts are on JUH as it doesn’t set a good look for people with real mental health issues .
it’s so sad about JUH because when he was young he came across as a mature driven kid who wanted to make his family proud .
something happened at the end of last year that changed him . I am starting to think he got involved with the wrong people and is now on the way down, we can see alcohol is part of it but I think it’s other stuff too.
I’m resigned to he isn’t playing AFL again and no club would take him.
in the words of my old man .. he has lost the plot.

[Bornadog]

Im not sure that’s why Stringer went interstate , I believe it was the only team interested and they offered two years , Essendon had made it quite clear to him they knew he had another year but didn’t want him .
I wonder what Tom Boyd’s thoughts are on JUH as it doesn’t set a good look for people with real mental health issues .
it’s so sad about JUH because when he was young he came across as a mature driven kid who wanted to make his family proud .
something happened at the end of last year that changed him . I am starting to think he got involved with the wrong people and is now on the way down, we can see alcohol is part of it but I think it’s other stuff too.
I’m resigned to he isn’t playing AFL again and no club would take him.
in the words of my old man .. he has lost the plot.

The club asked Stringer to not bring into the rooms the seedy type he was hanging around with. He was hanging around with the wrong people.

[Ozza]

Time to cancel Marra's access pass and stop paying him.
Let his management group send us a legal letter in regards to his salary payments. Seriously. If he wants something from the club - let him and his management team be the initiators.
Would be better for the player in the long run if he didn't have access to all this money that he is almost certainly wasting,.

I'm up for anything that jolts some sense into this bloke. I'm also not remotely interested in him playing for us again. I said after the hawthorn final (before knowing of behavioural issues) that he fails the character test.

[SquirrelGrip]

I actually think it’s going to start to change the way contracts will be set up in the future. Like any workplace you are entitled to holiday and sick pay. But when it runs out that’s it.

No doubt that been in the AFL bubble it can and will take a toll but you actually need to put some effort in.

We all know of people that have needed to take extended time away from work and some without pay. Most employers will make arrangements to hold that position open until the employee is right to come back to work and generally both side have an open and honest communication throughout the entire process.

It's interesting if we treat it like a normal workplace. Is it a work-related health issue?

Cody Weightman is out of action with an injury and we he have no issue he is paid, but of course we accept that it is a work-related injury (even though he had a genetic disposition).

If Jamarra has a medically-diagnosed mental health issue, is it work-related and then then do we pay him out until then end of the contract?

In a normal workplace, it would become a Workcover Claim if it's a work-related injury and your sick pay doesn't "run out". The Worksafe insurer wouldn't continue paying if the employee didn't follow the rehab plan and be signed off medically.

[NAUGHTY100]

Hey Jamarra just letting you know as you probably missed it because you were out on the tear with your dodgy mates that one of your ex team mates suffered a severe knee injury on Sunday night. You may remember him, his name is Sam Darcy. After he went off and was told the devastating news he showered, changed and went and sat on the bench, joined the huddle at 3/4 time and joined the song at the end of the game as a show of support to his mates, the same mates you once had before you lost the plot. Sam is everything that you are not and you and your management are officially taking the piss. And don't give me the mental health excuse as that is just a cover for your ridiculous behaviour and mostly self inflicted issues. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Wow 666 posts the devils number , and you certainly didnt mince words haha . ( just having a bit of a laugh , not at you ,. but the post numbers ) . Anyway if we dont have a bit of a laugh about all this we probably would be crying .

[Curly5]

His parents must be beside themselves

[NAUGHTY100]

I will take you at your word.

For mine using words such as simply, obviously and capitalising words comes across as dismissive and condescending.

You are making an assumption that all woof posters understand how links work. I know for a fact my old man who is 70 plus has no idea what a link is etc.

Azabob , in no way was i trying to be rude , trying to be condescending , or dismissive , like i said i was only pointing out that Matt puts in a tremendous amount of work into his podcasts and they are designed to entertain us , Western Bulldogs supports , the least we could do to say thank you is to watch them . Also forgive me i was not aware that using words such as simply, obviously and capitalising words comes across as dismissive and condescending , call me ignorant but i had no idea that thoes words can be seen as offensive .

[NAUGHTY100]

Gee I would love a job where I can just turn up when I feel like and get paid $700, $800 K -

Something has to give and if Marra doesn't have the passion, he needs to make a decision.

You can if you own the bussiness and its doing extremly well , but other wise you have to turn up , or you get a pink slip.

[jazzadogs]

It's interesting if we treat it like a normal workplace. Is it a work-related health issue?

Cody Weightman is out of action with an injury and we he have no issue he is paid, but of course we accept that it is a work-related injury (even though he had a genetic disposition).

If Jamarra has a medically-diagnosed mental health issue, is it work-related and then then do we pay him out until then end of the contract?

In a normal workplace, it would become a Workcover Claim if it's a work-related injury and your sick pay doesn't "run out". The Worksafe insurer wouldn't continue paying if the employee didn't follow the rehab plan and be signed off medically.

I think this will be the key part that the club will be arguing to aflpa/AFL. I've never seen the terms of an AFL contract, but there must be some minimum standards/obligations in there - following a treatment plan when injured would surely be in there somewhere.

[Bumper Bulldogs]

It's interesting if we treat it like a normal workplace. Is it a work-related health issue?

Cody Weightman is out of action with an injury and we he have no issue he is paid, but of course we accept that it is a work-related injury (even though he had a genetic disposition).

If Jamarra has a medically-diagnosed mental health issue, is it work-related and then then do we pay him out until then end of the contract?

In a normal workplace, it would become a Workcover Claim if it's a work-related injury and your sick pay doesn't "run out". The Worksafe insurer wouldn't continue paying if the employee didn't follow the rehab plan and be signed off medically.

I get your point but JUH is not Cody. They are both worlds apart and as a professional (what ever field your in) it’s hard work, long hours and a commitment to the task.

he just in not interested and we need to maintain a standard. JUH is taking the P15S and should be treated accordingly. I don’t not claim to know about his mental health but I can tell you many people around him are only trying to help him and get him back on track. More personally than professional. It’s time that it’s called out as we all know people the claim something that are not and it doesn’t ever sit well.

PS in a work environment if your paid over the 100k you can be finished up without much kickback at all. Imagine taken 800k by default

[GVGjr]

Who knows for sure what he is struggling with where he can't get himself into work?
That said, if he was in anyway genuinely invested in the club he would be popping in this week and getting around the players and coaches given the news with Sam Darcy.
It's just sounds like he is a long way off a return because given the team has struggled with injuries throughout the season for an invested player it could have been a motivator to push himself for a return.

A return really seems an unlikely scenario.

[Mitcha]

Wow 666 posts the devils number , and you certainly didnt mince words haha . ( just having a bit of a laugh , not at you ,. but the post numbers ) . Anyway if we dont have a bit of a laugh about all this we probably would be crying .

No offence taken but I only wrote about how I am feeling about the situation that is now way out of hand and harming my/our footy club. Am I off the mark here or do most people feel similarly about my original post?

[FrediKanoute]

I think the media is turning from sympathy for the player and the challenge from the WB's perspective on keeping him to questioning whether he is worth keeping.

Personally, and I know very little about the exact situation, just what is posted here and in the media, I think the situation is complex. Wants the footballer lifestyle without the effort to be a footballer. Wants the glory without the pressure and hard work. Who knows exactly, but I do think there comes a point where the club has to ask itself whether he JUH is worth it? A number 1 draft pick who should be coming into the peak of his powers, who will consume another $900k of salary cap, produce much much less. A player whose trade value at the start of 2025 was a top 10 pick is sliding to the point where a 3rd rounder would probably be a win. Most importantly though, a Bulldog's team that is increasingly finding ways to win without his up and down contributions.

I don't know the right or wrong answer, but I support the club's approach to date and will support them if they decide that they terminate his contract. If that means that Sydney or Geelong or POrt or whoever get a leg up and a free ride with JUH, so be it. Bad characters in a team are corrosive. Whilst you can have different treatment for different people and more talented people get more leniency, its not limitless and comes with the requirement that they perform. Not training, not curtailing destructive behaviour etc is not performing.